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post #161 of 650
Ooh, that is interesting about what Hale says because my vitamin lady, my midwife, and an IBLC counselor that I talked to all said it was safwe while bfing.
post #162 of 650
Thread Starter 
As I see it, Hale isn't saying it's a bad choice, he's saying there isn't a ton of research to back it up-which there isn't. That said, most everyone in the alternative health care field will say that it is far preferable to drugs which have known side effects and problems. I think Gale Force is dead on though. If you are deficient in certain aminos it will only be beneficial to supplement them. It's having that clear picture that decreases the risk even further. Testing in this case is a *good* thing.
post #163 of 650
No, I haven't read it.... Actually went in search of The Mood Cure tonight when out with friends, but it wasn't in stock at the store I visited. I am definitely going to check into it. My littlest is 19 mos and while nursing more frequently this week (has a cold, feeling poorly!) typically nurses but a few times in a 24-hr period... So I was wondering if I need to worry about the 5-htp, too. Oh and the information was posted on www.kellymom.com, btw.

The question about how it's metabolized bugs me though - I'm not super comfy with the idea of any amount of it crossing to him, being that it's a neurological thing... But am I worrying too much? Would the positive effect it could have on me far outweigh the slight risk/amount of the stuff in my milk? Does he nurse so little now that it wouldn't *really* matter?

I have seen a naturopath for my ball of issues: depression/irritability, weight gain, sugar/carb addiction, poor immunity, etc etc etc. She diagnosed thyroid issues though blood tests showed me "in normal range" according to my GP. Personally I think I had postpartum thyroid issues but also adrenal fatigue... leading to high cortisol... leading to Syndrome X, possibly? I hate to self-diagnose as too many things I read are similar and I can't pin it down for sure.

Anyway she prescribed liver cleansers to me, protein shakes with Udo's Oil and ground flax, magnesium, greens+ powder, Omega 3 supplement, probiotics, and Relora. (She claimed Relora to be safe while BF but I've read it's not as well...?!) I also got human multi-flora probiotic from her, an herbal thyroid support called 'BMR', a mineral powder to mix into juice called 'Mineral Matrix'... You get the picture. I agree I need to address stuff nutritionally but it was a heck of a lot of powders to mix into stuff and also far too many pills.. Couldn't stay on top of what to take, when, and how much it all cost!

So here I am, digging into the wisdom of the MDC ladies and hoping to find something else that does the trick. My list so far includes: Cod liver oil (though I am taking NutraSea already, do I need both?), Inositol, GABA, L-theanine, L-Glutamine, L-tyrosine, EPO, cal/mag/zinc, 5-htp.....

All I can say is, I'm boggled. But hoping to find relief somehow.
post #164 of 650
Thread Starter 
Wow- sounds like you have some significant gut problems. What is your diet like? What do you eat on a daily basis? Maybe someone here can help a bit.

As far as the 5-HTP goes-I'm not a doctor. However, it isn't seratonin, it's a precursor to seratonin meaning that your body will convert it as necessary. It's not like you are injecting artificial chemicals into your body. If it makes it through the bm I would question (if it's taken responsibly) why the baby wouldn't just excrete it and NOT make the conversion if it's not necessary. Clearly it's not that simple, but I know several ND's and the herbalist/nutritionist and doc's that I work for/with all use it for pregnant and nursing mamas. I think the key is being able to have enough info to be able to determine whether or not seratonin is the issue.
post #165 of 650
That makes sense, firefaery, thanks for pointing that out (seratonin vs. something that only converts to seratonin as needed.)
I feel like I should read everything all over again. I think it will take a few times before it all sinks in- so much of it is familiar, but at the same time new and mind-boggling.

Kat, did you sleep any better last night?
post #166 of 650
Ugh, no I didn't. GABA and half a beer only got me four hours. We thought I was going into labor--real ctx (vs BH) coming every 5 mins or so, though they were weak. Then then stopped. I'm going to have to make it a really early night tonight. We're getting close.

As for 5-HTP, I agree with firefaery. If it does worry you, just go with tyrosine or really boost your protein intake. Something we always have to come back to is that supplements aren't supposed to take the place of ADs. They're just supposed to supplement our diets until we get back on track.
post #167 of 650
Oh, sorry to hear that, but how exciting!
My second birth was sooo much nicer than my first.
Here's wishing you a beautiful time...
post #168 of 650
About those liver cleansers - you probably don't want to do any detoxifying while you're nursing. You don't want that stuff in your milk!
post #169 of 650
Thread Starter 
Milk thistle seed is a very safe liver detoxifier/cleanser and is fine for pregnancy and lactation. It's the only thing I would do.
post #170 of 650

you ladies rawk!

thank you so much (gale force, and others) for pointing me in the direction of amino acid therapy. i was set to get zoloft, because i just couldn't deal anymore, and then i read this thread, and have started the following
100mg of 5HTP a day
1000mg of tyrosine a day
50mg of GABAcalm at night
2000mg of flax/day
a super B150 complex
calcium/magnesium/zinc pill 2x a day
plus a prenatal 1x a day.

i'm 6 days in, and i feel like my old self. i'm and and just back to enjoying life. i have more energy, i have more motivation, and i just wanted to say
THANKS!!!!

post #171 of 650
Woohoo!! I'm really happy for you, boodafli! Have you made any changes in your diet as well? I eat a lot more eggs now than I used to and it's made a big difference for me.
post #172 of 650
Wow, boodafli. That's fantastic!

I second Kat's egg recommendation. It's a good source of DHA if you buy free range eggs or those "designer" eggs in the market that are "omega-3 enriched" (they are enriched because the hens eat flaxseed). But keep taking your flaxseed oil too. It would take a lot of eggs to get 2000 mg. And for anyone who is not a vegetarian, cod liver oil is a better source yet because your body does not have to convert it to EPA like it does with flax and it has vit A and D.

Isn't it amazing how fast you can turn around? It was under a week for me too with my custom blend of aminos.
post #173 of 650

Who has this helped!!

I wanted to ask if theres any success stories out there for anyone who did it the natural way? I'm on meds but am doing the rollercoaster thing with more downs than ups at this point=( Am wondering, does the rollercoaster thing happen with the natural meds? Any success stories with what exactly you did would be appreciated!!!

Mother to Gabriel Thomas (my angel) almost 3 mos now!
post #174 of 650
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Originally Posted by purplepansy12002
I wanted to ask if theres any success stories out there for anyone who did it the natural way? I'm on meds but am doing the rollercoaster thing with more downs than ups at this point=( Am wondering, does the rollercoaster thing happen with the natural meds? Any success stories with what exactly you did would be appreciated!!!
Search for my username and "amino acids" and you'll see part of my story.
There are lots of interesting stories around here. Many in this thread.

Also search in this forum for B-6, B-12, magnesium, and omega-3 fatty acids. These are common nutrients that people use and you can use them with meds.

Ups and downs are just part of the depression cycle. As you get better, the ups get longer and better and the downs shorter and less far down. It sounds to me like your meds aren't working. You can try the nutrient approach, but work with a doc to wean yourself off if that's what you do or to transition you to another medication. Regardless of the medication choice, you can look into nutrients as well. The only thing contraindicated with SSRIs is 5HTP.
post #175 of 650
I would consider myself a success story. I'd struggled with depression/anxiety for over 10 years. I'd had good luck with St. John's Wort to ward off depression, but anxiety was still a problem, and was probably exacerbated by the SJW. In fact, when I would start taking it (I'd go off and on again) it would give me horrible anxiey attackes with horrible paranoia.

After I had my daughter I wasn't so much depressed and just anxious all the time. I alienated a lot of people. I went in for my anual and just asked my doctor for something and she put me on Paxil. It made me less anxious, but totally numb, killed my mothering instincts, made it almost impossible for me to get out of bed in the morning, and I couldn't acheive orgasm. After about 2 weeks my hair started falling out. That's when I started doing research and found that to be a common side effect and I decided this wasn't for me. I weaned off slowly, and didn't have too bad a time with withdrawel, just one day sick in bed and another day of dizziness.

I went to an applied kinesiologist (is that what they're called?) and he put me on something to help my thyroid, but that wasn't really the problem. Paxil, the theory goes, just makes your body metabolize thyroid hormone faster than it should; there isn't anything wrong with the thyroid, neccesarily. He also put me on a high protein diet with lots of fruits and veggies and no dairy or gluten. This guy got me on the right track, but I didn't feel like that regimine was really what I needed as it was really restrictive and I didn't feel like my diet was really that bad. Really what I needed to do was cut out coffee, which I did.

Then I found The Mood Cure book at my grocery store. Like I've said before, it's a poorly edited book, but once you get through it you can identify supplements that can get you back on track. The reason this system really works for me is that it actually helps your body heal from it's deficiencies. My hair grew back and I started feeling great. In fact, I really didn't have any ups or downs. If I felt overly anxious facing a specific situation (a work confrontation, for example), I would make sure I had a good breakfast with eggs and take an extra GABA. That helped me learn new ways of being with people instead of getting stuck on the trap of my high-anxiety responses which were almost always perceived as overly confrontational.

I did up my supplements again into my pregnancy. I had a hard time eating in the 1st tri and with the increased need of protein a really have relied on the supplements. I imagine it will be the same when I'm nursing again. But I really made sure I was getting lots of food protein and this pregnancy has been infinately easier than my last, which I didn't think was that bad until I experienced how good it could be.

The Mood Cure does talk about using amino acids to supplement ADs, so you could look into that. But because you want to heal and not rely on the drugs eventually, I'm assuming, you may want to see if you can slowly wean off of them (be CAREFUL! it can be hard to do) and transition into an amino acid therapy.

Good luck to you!!
post #176 of 650
Thanks for the encouragment, glad to hear u found success naturally!! I guess I can find mood cure book at amazon?
post #177 of 650
Thanks for sharing Kat!!
post #178 of 650
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Originally Posted by Gale Force
Wow, boodafli. That's fantastic!

I second Kat's egg recommendation. It's a good source of DHA if you buy free range eggs or those "designer" eggs in the market that are "omega-3 enriched" (they are enriched because the hens eat flaxseed). But keep taking your flaxseed oil too. It would take a lot of eggs to get 2000 mg. And for anyone who is not a vegetarian, cod liver oil is a better source yet because your body does not have to convert it to EPA like it does with flax and it has vit A and D.

Isn't it amazing how fast you can turn around? It was under a week for me too with my custom blend of aminos.
on the egg tip, i'm avoiding eggs, since i'm still nursing, and the peanut seems to react to them. but i have started buying grassfed beef. it's crazy expensive tho. : (i LOVE the smileys on this board. i know i overuse them.) anyways. i've been reading more of the Mood Cure, and i feel like i might mix it up a bit, and do 1000mg of flax and 1000mg of fish. but i hate the fish oil. CLO is just nasty. naaaaaaasty. any ideas?
post #179 of 650
What kind of CLO are you taking? Mine is lemon flavored, and it really tastes like almost nothing, with a hint of lemon. Oily, yes, but that doesn't bother me.
post #180 of 650
I've just started Cinnamon CLO, and it's a little better. I don't like taking it either. It makes my mouth feel nasty and I burp it up for hours (sorry, TMI). I'm going to take it with meals, or maybe at night, if it gets intolerable.

I've found that I can't take 5-HTP after all - it makes me nauseous and just "off" feeling. Initially, it made me feel great, but I think I was in denial of the side effects.

I've ordered l-tryptophan, l-tyrosine, GABA, and l-glutamine from Vitacost, and I'm awaiting my order. I'm taking my prenatals, EFAs, Vitamin C and balanced B-100 now. Once I get my routine figured out, I'll let y'all know the doses. I fully believe this is the answer.
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