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post #21 of 54
Yes, a planned cesarean is probably going to be easier than an emergency c-sec because the mother's body won't be exhausted from having been in labor. My mom had c-secs with both her children, the first "emergency" and the second planned. She said her recovery was SO much easier with the second; regardless, she still had to recover from abdominal surgery. In comparison, I was up and around and feeling good only hours after my natural birth, in other words, pretty much back to normal (aside from the lochia and afterpains.) And by "natural", I mean not just that the baby came out of my vagina, but that I didn't have any management of labor to cause postpartum difficulties. I did with my first, and hobbled around the house like an old lady for weeks. It's really not fair to compare a *un*natural vaginal birth with a planned c-sec that someone just happens to be lucky enough to be recovering well from, and hold those experiences as the norm or standard for each. In your friend's experience, that's the way things turned out, and she's happy, and that's great. But I can't think of anything more naive and illogical than to assume that a c-section is going to be better for any given mom than a vaginal birth.
post #22 of 54
Well, my c-section sucked. (emergency, full anesthesia)
I hated it, i hated how I felt after (disconnected), it took a full 6 weeks before I even could think about doing much at all. I still (7 mo later) have a numb area on my belly. I still get upset everytime I watch a birth story and see them put the baby on the mother's belly. (At least I managed to bf).
(OTOH every time I look at my perfect dd I think, I don't care how you got here, I'm just happy to have you).
I have no vaginal experience to compare, but I think the whole, not being in control of things was very upsetting for me. I know people who are fine 2 weeks after a c-section, but not me.
post #23 of 54
I think all births are different and it depends on what you want. You feel empowered by your birth and she feels empowered (or at least happy) with hers. I had two epidural births by choice and felt that they were perfect, while many of my natural childbirth friends are horrified to even think of an epidural. Everyone is different.

You had your reasons for a natural birth and so you feel great about doing it! You should feel proud of yourself.

BTW I've never heard of not having lochia with *any* birth. Maybe she's suffering from postpartum memory loss.

Darshani
post #24 of 54
Ummmm if your placenta is gone, you are going to have lochia, no matter how it left. I bled for 6 weeks after my first c/s. In addition to having my incision open up and having PPD. Yeah, so much easier. And I had wicked afterpains with both c/s.
post #25 of 54
a planned repeat c/s is physically usually easier to recover from than a c/s done after a long labor. emotionally - depends on what the mom wanted.
a planned c/s after a traumatic vaginal birth with a fourth degree tear etc might be easier physically and emotionally - it all depends on the person.
of course even with a planned cbirth you can get wound infections etc though not as often as withunplanned.
i will have to have a repeat as my first was a low vertical uterine incision with a 3 cm extension which unfortunately increases my rupture risk substantially and i can tell you that though i don't mind knowing when i'll have my baby (barring any preterm labor again) i am really really disappointed that i can't vbac.
post #26 of 54
Well...IMO-the baby gets short changed in a Ceserean birth. They loose many benefits of a vaginal birth...the sqeezing through the birth canal which helps squeeze out the amniotic fluid so they aren't gunky when born. Also-there is a sort of cranial sacral adjustment that occurs...through the same squeeaing according to two chiros I really respect. Hmmm.what about the accidental cutting of your bladder...or cutting of the baby during surgery? Or spinal probs to mom from Epidural or Spinal Anesthesia?

Many Cesarean babies have to spend time in the NICU cuz of goopy lungs, low sats. Where is the benefit in that.?Also-a planned surgery does not allow baby and mom to physically pick the borihday...so baby can be born too early-and often is. Again the reason for the NICU visit.

Also there are REAL risks associated with surgery. Just read the consent form...anesthesia and surgery have risk. Including a real risk for death. You can simply have a reaction to a medicine they give you and die from that. I am not saying it WILL happen, just that it can and does.

It isn't just about mom-it is about baby too. Some people luck out and have trouble free surgeries. I was not one of them. I had a tough recovery, a incisional infection...lost tons of weight cuz of the infection...and was not up an about for about 4 weeks after the surgery. And I am one fit and healthy mom otherwise. Even at 4 weeks post op I was not doing great. Just functioning.

Besides, WTH? who cares about Lochia, and some minor tears???it sure as heck beats incisional infections, throwing clots, a baby that won't nurse because of sleepiness due to meds etc...Most 4th degree tears come from episiotomies...

To me it is silly thinking that you are going to 'escape' any hardship about birthing by planning your ceserean. Plenty of women have incredible vaginal birth experiences...without any complications...and who cares about a little hard physical worK? Many women also have complication free cesereans.

I see labor and birth as a metaphor for parenting. None of it is easy-but it is sure rewarding.

And...for the record...I believe we all make the best choices that we can, given the information that we have at the time. I am NOT slamming anyone who has chosen a ceserean...just explaining my POV.
post #27 of 54
My dd was in the NICU for 2 weeks for persistent pulmonary hypertension (PPH). It was the worst 2 weeks of my life, and not something I would wish on my worst enemy.

Altho dd was born vaginally, the risk of PPH increases in a C-section birth. I can't imagine knowingly choosing to increase that risk without a darn good reason.

Just my POV.
post #28 of 54
Um, there was NOTHING easy about my c/section. From my accidental double dose of morphine, to our breastfeeding problems, to feeling like my intestines were going to fall out with every step, lemme just say: IT SUCKED!

Now, I did have the no-lochia thing. (Well, I bled for a couple days, and then just spotted for a few more.) But I also have adhesions from the surgery that will probably ALWAYS hurt. Nobody can put pressure on my belly without it causing me a lot of pain, over 2 years later.

Plus, I was the last one to really hold my dd. No decreased amount of lochia can make up for that.
post #29 of 54
just chiming in with the belief that birth should be treated like what it is: a natural bodily function that women's bodies were made for!

BIRTH

IS

NOT

A

MEDICAL

PROCEDURE.


surgical births carry so much risk with them. why chance it?




and why have a homebirth? because HOME BIRTH EMPOWERS WOMEN.

it can be one of the most deeply spiritual and healing events of a woman's life...


OR


she can hand over that power to a doctor and let him slice her open and tear the baby from her womb.



fun.
post #30 of 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evergreen
She had a planned cesarean birth a few days ago. She also has a three year old with whom she had an intervention free natural childbirth.
I don't believe you--the part about the intervention-free natural childbirth. Where did she birth the baby? Who attended the birth? What made it 'natural'?

Seriously--I'm going to be bold and ballsy and assume your planned c-sec friend actually had a traumatizing, humiliating, vaginal hosptial birth attended by an OB. If I had had an experience like that, and my doc offered me a straightforward c-section, where I would know what was comin' at me, I might just choose the surgery.

What was the charachter of her first birth? That really might help one understand why she is so happy with her choice to have had a c-section.
post #31 of 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by klothos
just chiming in with the belief that birth should be treated like what it is: a natural bodily function that women's bodies were made for!

BIRTH

IS

NOT

A

MEDICAL

PROCEDURE.


surgical births carry so much risk with them. why chance it?




and why have a homebirth? because HOME BIRTH EMPOWERS WOMEN.

it can be one of the most deeply spiritual and healing events of a woman's life...


OR


she can hand over that power to a doctor and let him slice her open and tear the baby from her womb.



fun.

What an insulting post!!! i CHOOSE c-birth b/c i have a small pelvis and make large babies....over 10 lbs...i tried vbac with #2...he would have never come out!! #3 was over 10 #'s...#4 will born c-birth in a few weeks....and is everybit as big....(#1 was doubling footling breech and 7 weeks early) THIS is why i have c-births...show a little sensitivitiy, would ya!! my babies were/are NOT "tore from my womb"!! how insulting! : i don't care what the circumstances are surrounding a woman's reason for having a c-birth, but to say such a thing is aweful!
post #32 of 54
With all due respect 3boyz4us, while you may find her post insensitive, it's true to a fault. CHOOSING a section is not a good idea nor is it natural. It has it's risks. Having a disproven pelvis is another story entirly and I think you know that. This is MDC, you kow? Natural family living? There are few people here who are going to agree that it's fine to opt for a c section without damn good reason. Because it's totally unnatural and dangerous. And I've had a c section myself, btw, emergancy at 33 weeks gestation. It was horrible compared to my first, vaginal birth.
post #33 of 54
Another thing.... You can't take offense to someone elses opinion. Saying that " i'm only expressing MY personal preferance or opinion" shouldn't even be an issue. I think that's self explanitory. Obviosly it's MY opinion. I wrote it.
post #34 of 54

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I wish I could agree w/ your friend. I had a csection (emergency) and still suffer from the emotional let down of it all. As a child even, I imagined when I would have a baby. Naturally. To have to make it a surgical procedure to end a pregnancy is just SAD. :
post #35 of 54

ITA RE Dangers of C's

Quote:
Originally Posted by ~lapetitesirene~
Hmmm.what about the accidental cutting of your bladder...
A friend of my mom's, about five years ago, died from a nicked internal organ during her C section. Something they might not tell you. I mean before my mom said that I was like the OP and thought that C's are no big deal.
post #36 of 54
There is another MDC mom (my best friend IRL) who almost died 3 months ago from a doctor knicking something inside during the c section. They took her to recovery and in the little while she was alone she bled out and was found unconscious. She spent days in the ICU on a vent and lost very precious time with her new son. Nothing can replace that for her. And, her c section was only semi emergant. This may not have happened had it been planned but then it would have just been totally unnecisery.
post #37 of 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by my~hearts~light
With all due respect 3boyz4us, while you may find her post insensitive, it's true to a fault. CHOOSING a section is not a good idea nor is it natural. It has it's risks. Having a disproven pelvis is another story entirly and I think you know that. This is MDC, you kow? Natural family living? There are few people here who are going to agree that it's fine to opt for a c section without damn good reason. Because it's totally unnatural and dangerous. And I've had a c section myself, btw, emergancy at 33 weeks gestation. It was horrible compared to my first, vaginal birth.

it's insensitive to make blanket statements like she was....period! without taking someone else's feelings into consideration. i said in my pp that it doesn't matter WHAT a woman's reason is for choosing a c-birth...to say she is just letting some dr tear her baby out of her womb is just wrong...who is anyone to say such a thing when they don't know the person and their reasons for a c-birth....i didn't say one couldn't disagree with someone having a c-birth without just cause....but to be so insensitive to those who DID have good reason is just not right! and that poster did not distinguish to whom she was speaking. what if some new mama read that thinking they had a just reason and then read somethng like that on a board that is supposedly sposed to be supportive, no matter what (that's always the feeling i got from this board anyway)...we are all mothers aren't we...does how our babies come into the world make this or that person any less of a mother? is it really necessary to say such things without making it sound as if she is speaking to all those who have had c-births...cause that's really how it sounded.
post #38 of 54
[QUOTE=3boyz4us]it's insensitive to make blanket statements like she was....period! without taking someone else's feelings into consideration. i said in my pp that it doesn't matter WHAT a woman's reason is for choosing a c-birth...to say she is just letting some dr tear her baby out of her womb is just wrong...who is anyone to say such a thing when they don't know the person and their reasons for a c-birth....i didn't say one couldn't disagree with someone having a c-birth without just cause....but to be so insensitive to those who DID have good reason is just not right! and that poster did not distinguish to whom she was speaking. what if some new mama read that thinking they had a just reason and then read somethng like that on a board that is supposedly sposed to be supportive, no matter what (that's always the feeling i got from this board anyway)...we are all mothers aren't we...does how our babies come into the world make this or that person any less of a mother? is it really necessary to say such things without making it sound as if she is speaking to all those who have had c-births...cause


** I DO feel like less of a mother/woman for having a c.
post #39 of 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by vegiemom
** I DO feel like less of a mother/woman for having a c.

and i'm truely sorry that you feel this way...but that doesn't every woman does or should be made to feel that way....
post #40 of 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by my~hearts~light
Another thing.... You can't take offense to someone elses opinion. Saying that " i'm only expressing MY personal preferance or opinion" shouldn't even be an issue. I think that's self explanitory. Obviosly it's MY opinion. I wrote it.
well, i do...and it didn't necessarily come across as "just her opinion"...it doesn't matter that it was just her opinion...you telling me you NEVER take offense at someone else's opinions?
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