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post #1 of 15
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I was a quiet child. Very quiet. Most of my childhood was spent having people ask me if I could hear or speak, and why I didn't talk more.

It wasn't that I couldn't hear or couldn't speak, I just didn't want to. When I wanted to talk, or play in groups, or be outgoing, I could be. But it was my choice to play alone, even while in groups, or listen, rather than talk.

My daughter is more outgoing and talkative then I was/am, but next to extrovert ds, the differences are noticeable. Like me, she prefers to do things independently, talk only when she feels like it, and she is very picky about who she wants to be with.

In the last year (she's almost 4) I've been told, over and over again, I need to get her into pre school to socialize her. It's not good enough that she only wants to play with one person at a time, she needs to learn to play with a group of kids. She needs to become more outgoing, and talk more.

Also frustrating are the comments of, she's so alert, and so smart, how can she be that way when she doesn't talk a lot?

I don't know what to do. I know what's coming down the line if she goes into grammar school as a quiet and more reserved child. And it makes me feel sick, because I don't want her to have to put up with the 'you're so shy', or 'you're so quiet' or 'why don't you talk more' in a tone like it's a disease.

I know right now, to try to make her go to preschool would be a disaster. She is involved in sports activities, like swimming and soccer, and she's very happy to do that, but 30 minutes or so is about all she wants to be away from me, dh or ds for.

I'm not trying to change her, I know her personality is the way it is and the way it's supposed to be. I guess I'm just feeling frustrated that so much pressure is put on us at such an early age to be a non stop party person.

Does anyone have any words or advice or comfort?
post #2 of 15
I find your post very interesting. I'm like you and your daughter, where my dh loved school because he got to play with other kids during recess. The year my mom did homeschool with me (I didn't go to "school" until the second grade) was the best year of school for me...all the way through high school. So I would love for my kids to get to stay at home and be homeschooled. DH, on the other hand, went to preschool etc. and wants our kids to be able to do it since he thought it was far more fun that being at home by himself.

I just tell him we'll see what our kids are like. Some may love staying home, and others may be ready to go out the door. I don't think you need to worry about socializing her - just provide opportunities for her to be herself. There is nothing wrong with being an introvert. If everyone socialized at work every day (like the extroverts would like to do), no one would ever get anything done. My dh isn't an extrovert by any means; in fact, I'm far more sociable than he is. I really think you just have to play it by ear and do what is right for your child. You're her mother - you know her better than anyone else - and you have to live with her if she isn't happy. Follow your gut - you won't regret it.
post #3 of 15
I'm an introvert too, and I also got really tired of people saying "shy" like it's a disease.

You know your daughter doesn't need preschool right now. Some kids do (my son did) and some kids don't. I think, quite frankly, that you should tell the critics to blow it out their ear! (I may just be getting cranky cause I'm tired. ) Or if you want to be more polite about it, point out that she already does play with other children, and she does talk to adults, and she is capable of interacting politely with other people, and actually, that's what socialized means. So there.

Really tired, and peeved on your and your daughter's behalf. I think I'll go to bed.
post #4 of 15
I was the same way as a child (still am, actually!), and even though my daughter is only two she's definitely shaping up to be an introvert too. In big groups, she won't venture off my lap. Even around family, it takes her at least a few minutes to warm up. I could almost count on one hand the number of people who have seen her 'true' personality, and that includes grandparents, even! When we're at home, she's very spunky and active and funny, but when we get out in public she clams up.

I absolutely believe there's nothing wrong with either of our daughters. I wouldn't push your daughter to enter preschool just so she can 'be socialized'. Her personality isn't going to change by being around a bunch of other kids. She'll most likely always be a little more reserved than most, and to push her to change will only make her feel like there's something wrong with her. It takes all kinds, and there's no reason to force a child to act in a way that goes against who they are.

As a funny side-note, my mom and I were discussing my shyness a few years ago, how as a kid I was almost painfully introverted. She said, "I never thought of you as shy. I always just figured that you were sizing people up and deciding whether they were worthy of talking to." That made me feel much better--what a great way of looking at it!
post #5 of 15
i've been thinking of posting something along these lines for awhile. my dd1 is very much like you described, but she tends to get negative when people talk to her rather than bashful. here's a typical exchange:

clerk at store: what a pretty dress you have on!
dd1: it's NOT a pretty dress!!

clerk: what's your name?
dd1: i don't have a name!!

"nothing" and "no" are also popular answers. the thing is dd doesn't much play with other kids. she knows a lot of kids and we have been going to regular playgroups since she was a baby, but she doesn't engage with the other kids much. she acts out elaborate stories with her mousie dolls and her dollhouse on her own, but doesn't want to pretend with other kids and engage in play with them. she's happy to go over to their houses and play with their toys, though :LOL .

she goes to a dance class she adores, but participates mainly on the fringes. doesn't hold hands with the other kids and sorta picks and chooses when she'll decide to join in with what the teacher is doing. i think a lot of it is probably developmental. the mom of a 4.5 yr old told me her dd was a lot like that last yr. we'll see what next year brings...

i couldn't see pushing her into preschool yet. we do have the dance class and a couple of other classes and playgroups so she gets plenty of exposure to other kids. i think she's more interested in the grown ups, though. she really likes her dance teacher and her yoga teacher, but could care less if there were other kids there or not. in fact the other day at the drop in yoga class there weren't any other kids so she got a 1 on 1 session and was just giddy and running all around the room squealing with delight. if other kids are there, though, she's much more low key.

i would love to hear from moms of older kids who've been down the "shy" kid route already. would love to hear your experiences. i alternately think she'll grow out of some of it then worry about whether she'll ever have any friends she wants to play with. she's so different from her peers.

OP, didn't mean to hijack your thread with my own concerns. if you've got your dd involved in the sports activities and she plays with other kids regularly then i think that's plenty. i know my dd is not ready for preschool yet. maybe next year, maybe. i think to push her before she's ready would just backfire. remind the folks who are giving you a hard time that she is involved and they can back off!
post #6 of 15
i was/am introverted/shy/observant/whatever...blah, i have one child (almost 6) that is completely opposite, really loves school & doing things in a group, one (he is 11) that is social, however tends not to do "group stuff" and my youngest, 15 months who i just posted around here about my friend saying she "isn't socialized" however we hang out with other children/families/etc.
my opinion, being around other children, in groups,and singly, (twos, threes) is good, i don't believe forcing a child to go to school is a good thing. i did this with my first child, i regret it. i thought it was the thing to do at the time.
some children are outgoing, and some are more introspective, observant, they both have greatness to add to the world
hth
post #7 of 15
This has been a good thread for me to read. My 4 y.o. dd is very reserved. I'm an introvert too in that I need alone time to re-charge, but I've never been shy, so I don't totally relate to what's going on in her little head. My biggest worry has been that she's missing out on things she *wants* to do because of her shyness. But I'm starting to get over that, and reading some of these posts puts me even more at ease about it. Thanks!

In my dd's case, I feel that her preschool experience has been helpful. My intention is not to suggest that any other child *should* attend preschool for their own good. I'm not trying to convince the OP or anyone else that preschool is what is needed. The fact that it has been good for my dd has much to do with *this* particular preschool. I don't think just any preschool would have yielded the same results. But I'd like to share our experience FWIW, since it might be something that some parents are thinking about.

My dd is in preschool, although she will be homeschooled after that. Since we had already made the decision to HS, I wanted her to have an opportunity to make friends so that she could see the possibilities, IYKWIM. I was concerned that she'd never warm up to other kids well enough to get to know them by only seeing them once a week or so. I hope that by experiencing friendship (of the 3 - 4 year old variety) in preschool she'll know that it's possible and seek it out with the kids at church or in our homeschool group. I don't know yet if that will be the case -- we'll see. Nevertheless, I have no regrets about the decision to send her to preschool. The teachers there have been so respectful of her personal journey into the group. She has been invited, but never pressured, to join group activities, etc. She sat out all of the dancing and group movement activities for *months* last year! Even though she always maintained that she enjoyed preschool, I was concerned. Her teacher was not. (The teacher told me that she was a very shy child herself, and I think that helps her relate to my dd.) DD never seemed stressed, probably because she wasn't getting any pressure! By the end of the year, she was participating often (not always) and once even started dancing all by herself!

This year, she jumped right back into the routine with both feet and is having fun. Her personality has not changed. She's still pretty reserved in most settings and shy in new situations. But she has learned to enter groups of playing children when she wants to, and has learned how to negotiate some of the basic social interactions kids have -- sharing, taking turns, asking for what she wants, etc. *I* have learned to stop worrying about her so much! I'm learning that she can be happy and can enjoy being around her peers even though she's kind of shy. So I think it's been good for all of us, especially since she won't be in a school situation after this year, and thus won't have daily contact with a familiar group of children.

That's our preschool story! Thanks again for the thread!
post #8 of 15
I've been on both sides. I'm an introvert until I'm really comfortable in a situation. I tend to sit back and observe before I jump in. Meeting new people (especially in group situations) can be terrifying for me. I think that a lot of people tend to think that I'm rude when they first meet me because I can get so quiet. But, once I feel comfortable in a situation, then I can be really extroverted. So I either get the "you're so quiet" comments, or the "you're such a chatterbox!" comments. Can't seem to win either way. I really think that I'm more of an introvert than an extrovert, though. But I feel like once people know me, then I'm expected to be outgoing and social, even when I don't want to be, and that can be incredibly difficult on me. In a lot of social situations, I feel like I have to be "on" all the time.

I really think that putting your DD in preschool just for socialization might be more harmful then helpful. You can't force her to be an extrovert. I think that if she's given time, she'll get to the point on her own where she's more comfortable around others.
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 
I'm sorry I haven't been able to get back to this thread sooner, but I wanted to say thanks so much for all the thoughts. It's so helpful to read them.

To the posters who apologized for thinking they were hijacking the thread, please don't apologize, feel free to ask or remember whatever you want. It's very helpful for me to hear all of this. And I'm very happy if anything mentioned here helps someone else, too.

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Originally posted by pageta
I find your post very interesting. I'm like you and your daughter, where my dh loved school because he got to play with other kids during recess. The year my mom did homeschool with me (I didn't go to "school" until the second grade) was the best year of school for me...all the way through high school. So I would love for my kids to get to stay at home and be homeschooled. DH, on the other hand, went to preschool etc. and wants our kids to be able to do it since he thought it was far more fun that being at home by himself.

I just tell him we'll see what our kids are like. Some may love staying home, and others may be ready to go out the door. I don't think you need to worry about socializing her - just provide opportunities for her to be herself. There is nothing wrong with being an introvert. If everyone socialized at work every day (like the extroverts would like to do), no one would ever get anything done. My dh isn't an extrovert by any means; in fact, I'm far more sociable than he is. I really think you just have to play it by ear and do what is right for your child. You're her mother - you know her better than anyone else - and you have to live with her if she isn't happy. Follow your gut - you won't regret it.
You touched on probably the main reason why I am worried about this. Dh thinks she should be in preschool, just because he went there and loved it. His big thing is, be friendly, jump right in, etc.

He thinks yeah, she might have a couple of bad days, but she'll adjust and be fine. Meanwhile, the thought of her in a place where she is unhappy and that she could become even more withdrawn or quiet makes me shake.

Right now, my gut says no. Her activity with swimming and soccer is fine, and she is around other kids elsewhere as well, almost every day. I feel this is fine.

She will start school late, as she has a fall birthday and our cut off is before her day. I know next year, once she's five, dh will be on the bandwagon to put her in some kind of 'school' environment, just because she technically should be in school, due to age.

That's going to be an interesting conversation. :

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Originally posted bysmittenmom
I was the same way as a child (still am, actually!), and even though my daughter is only two she's definitely shaping up to be an introvert too. In big groups, she won't venture off my lap. Even around family, it takes her at least a few minutes to warm up. I could almost count on one hand the number of people who have seen her 'true' personality, and that includes grandparents, even! When we're at home, she's very spunky and active and funny, but when we get out in public she clams up.
This was very cool to read. I was my head the whole time. People are floored to see dd running around yelling or singing very loudly a half an hour or hour into our stay somewhere, because she too spends many of the first minutes behind my leg or in my arms.

It is like she has to 'feel out' a situation and make sure it's okay. But not too many people are willing to give her that extra time.

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Originally posted byluv my 2 sweeties
My dd is in preschool, although she will be homeschooled after that. Since we had already made the decision to HS, I wanted her to have an opportunity to make friends so that she could see the possibilities, IYKWIM. I was concerned that she'd never warm up to other kids well enough to get to know them by only seeing them once a week or so. I hope that by experiencing friendship (of the 3 - 4 year old variety) in preschool she'll know that it's possible and seek it out with the kids at church or in our homeschool group. I don't know yet if that will be the case -- we'll see. Nevertheless, I have no regrets about the decision to send her to preschool. The teachers there have been so respectful of her personal journey into the group. She has been invited, but never pressured, to join group activities, etc. She sat out all of the dancing and group movement activities for *months* last year! Even though she always maintained that she enjoyed preschool, I was concerned. Her teacher was not. (The teacher told me that she was a very shy child herself, and I think that helps her relate to my dd.) DD never seemed stressed, probably because she wasn't getting any pressure! By the end of the year, she was participating often (not always) and once even started dancing all by herself!

This year, she jumped right back into the routine with both feet and is having fun. Her personality has not changed. She's still pretty reserved in most settings and shy in new situations. But she has learned to enter groups of playing children when she wants to, and has learned how to negotiate some of the basic social interactions kids have -- sharing, taking turns, asking for what she wants, etc. *I* have learned to stop worrying about her so much! I'm learning that she can be happy and can enjoy being around her peers even though she's kind of shy. So I think it's been good for all of us, especially since she won't be in a school situation after this year, and thus won't have daily contact with a familiar group of children.
I just wanted to comment that this sounds like a GREAT place. I'm glad you have someplace like that for her. And thank you for posting about a positive pre school experience like this. It's good to read.

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Originally posted by littleaugustbaby
I've been on both sides. I'm an introvert until I'm really comfortable in a situation. I tend to sit back and observe before I jump in. Meeting new people (especially in group situations) can be terrifying for me. I think that a lot of people tend to think that I'm rude when they first meet me because I can get so quiet. But, once I feel comfortable in a situation, then I can be really extroverted. So I either get the "you're so quiet" comments, or the "you're such a chatterbox!" comments. Can't seem to win either way. I really think that I'm more of an introvert than an extrovert, though. But I feel like once people know me, then I'm expected to be outgoing and social, even when I don't want to be, and that can be incredibly difficult on me. In a lot of social situations, I feel like I have to be "on" all the time.
I do this too, and this is what I don't want dd to feel pressured into. It is incredibly draining for me sometimes to be happy and bubbly when I don't want to be but know it's expected. Urgh. If I do this, it literally takes me two to three days to feel like myself again.

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Originally posted by beanma
clerk: what's your name?
dd1: i don't have a name!!

"nothing" and "no" are also popular answers. the thing is dd doesn't much play with other kids. she knows a lot of kids and we have been going to regular playgroups since she was a baby, but she doesn't engage with the other kids much. she acts out elaborate stories with her mousie dolls and her dollhouse on her own, but doesn't want to pretend with other kids and engage in play with them. she's happy to go over to their houses and play with their toys, though. :LOL
Oh man, this makes me :LOL in agreement.

When people ask dd her name, she smiles beautifically and maybe answers with a giggle, but that's about it.

She also has been around older and younger kids most of the days of her life. We've gone to so many playgroups, birthday parties, gatherings, etc.

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Originally posted by flight
I'm an introvert too, and I also got really tired of people saying "shy" like it's a disease.

You know your daughter doesn't need preschool right now. Some kids do (my son did) and some kids don't. I think, quite frankly, that you should tell the critics to blow it out their ear! (I may just be getting cranky cause I'm tired. ) Or if you want to be more polite about it, point out that she already does play with other children, and she does talk to adults, and she is capable of interacting politely with other people, and actually, that's what socialized means. So there.

Really tired, and peeved on your and your daughter's behalf. I think I'll go to bed.
Aw, thanks for this. This is what I my head for. She does talk, she does interact, she is 'socialized'. Just not the way 'they' whoever 'they' are think she should be.

I hope you got some good and relaxing sleep.

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Originally posted by aolinsmama
some children are outgoing, and some are more introspective, observant, they both have greatness to add to the world. hth.
It does help. Thank you.


I really think, especially after reading these replies, and being reminded of many things, that I will leave it up to her. Anyone telling me she needs to go right now will get to watch my eyes glaze over and feel what it's like to have me tune them out. I know she doesn't want to go, she's said as much, numerous times when people have asked her.

If she wants to go to a pre-school environment next fall, she can go. But if she says no, then I'm not going to push it.

As so many of you wise ladies have said, she is who she is, and there is a reason for it.

Thanks again, everyone.

post #10 of 15
I'm with you!

One thing I've realised is that introvert children are not popular in the USA. People generally think that there is something 'wrong' with the child who observes and doesnt leap into a situation with gusto.

I get asked constantly if dd can talk. Ha!! Talk? Be a fly on the wall in our house and they'd realise that she doesnt ever stop.

I did the preschool panic thing last year, and looked around tons of places but didnt put dd into preschool in the end. She was sooo relieved, she just doesnt want to go. One thing that I realised was that for all the talk about socialization, in fact, many young children in preschools are not socializing at all. They are playing independently, or maybe alongside someone else, but few are actually socialising in the true sense of the word. But it makes people feel good to think that their children are out there socialising, even if what they are actually doing is engaging in solitary play in a room where there are 20 other kids engaging in solitary play.

I"m not saying that preschool isn't great for a lot of children, but for some introverted children, it can potentially be disasterous. I think you need to trust your instincts. The supposed 'headstart' that many chidlren get from preschool is simply learning the routines and expectations. Whcih has nothing to do with social skills.

My dd socialises wonderfully with family and with very close friends, on a 1:1 basis. She has fabulous social skills with older children if 1:1. In a larger group of kids her own age, her social 'skills' are terrible, compared to her peers. But is it really natural for chidlren to be able to socialise with a large group of people? Or is that an unfair expectation for many chidlren?

The trouble is that being thoughtful and an observer is not usually valued in American society. Chidlren are too often expected to 'perform' and be independent. It is hard swimming against the tide, but you have to work with the personality of your child, not try to change it.

This thread is bringing back memories for me of being nagged at as a child...."Why won't you take your thumb out of your mouth and your nose out of that book and come and play like all the other children? What's wrong with you?"

I hated the games that the other chidlren were playing! I loved to read - I was a good, fluent reader before I started school, having taught myself, but that counted for nothing because I wouldnt show off like my siblings and perform for adults. And I wouldnt join in board games or card games like my siblings, because I hated the competition and the ridiculous chat that went with it. They loved it, whcih was great for them, but all I wanted was to be left alone to read and think. Being nagged at for it made me feel that I was weird and that there was somethign wrong with me, and right with my siblings.

Once I got to university, finally I could do what I wanted to do and sit with my nose in a book for hours on end (by that point I'd given up sucking my thumb though ) Finally, people understood me and I didnt feel weird. I hope that I can protect my dd from that though so she doesnt have to go through 18 years of feeling inadequate because she is not what people expect her to be.
post #11 of 15
I can so relate to the things said on this thread! My DS is 2, so I don't have a lot of experience or advice yet, but I can definitely relate. My DS has always been uncomfortable in large groups of people. As a baby, when we went to family parties (about 30 people, including kids) it would take DS two days afterward to settle back into his routine! They really stressed him out! And now, there are select few people that he really likes and will play with immediately. The rest usually take a few minutes, even 30+ sometimes, before he'll warm up and be friendly with them. And there are certain people -- who tend to be the most extroverted women in the family (Grandma is one of them ) -- that he doesn't like much at all. It is really difficult for people to understand that this is his personality, and not something our parenting style caused, or something that is "broken" about DS. My DH even told his sister that we had discovered that DS is quite introverted, and she responded with "oh, he is not," as though it were a horrible disease and we were just being cruel to even suggest it.

At this point I just let him take the time he needs to warm up to people and situations, clinging to me if necessary. Sometimes I may gently encourage him by pointing out a toy or person who is interesting, but HE has to be the one to make the choice to initiate contact. The resistance is only increased if anyone tries to force him.
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by Britishmum
The trouble is that being thoughtful and an observer is not usually valued in American society. Children are too often expected to 'perform' and be independent.
Britishmum, I think you've hit the nail right on the head. It's just so backwards, to me. When they're small, so many times we're told, they need to be independent, or they need to be doing this or that. And then, in the pre-teen or teen years, everyone is moaning, why are they so burned out, or why don't they need us to parent them?

It makes my head spin with how things are.

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But is it really natural for chidlren to be able to socialise with a large group of people? Or is that an unfair expectation for many chidlren?
See, that's what I always wonder. How many adults really truly want to be with the same 15-20 people every day, interacting with them for hours at a time? So why should children be expected to want to do this?

I think it's incredibly unfair and puts a lot of pressure on anyone, but I would think that, because I'm introverted.

Great post.
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Nemmer
It is really difficult for people to understand that this is his personality, and not something our parenting style caused, or something that is "broken" about DS. My DH even told his sister that we had discovered that DS is quite introverted, and she responded with "oh, he is not," as though it were a horrible disease and we were just being cruel to even suggest it.
Nemmer, this is striking such a chord in me.

It helps me so much to read that there are people out there that know that there are all kinds of personalities and that being accepting of them is the far better path to take.
post #14 of 15
nemmer that "oh he is not" strikes a chord with me, too. like there's something wrong with a child or person if they are introverted -- if they want to scope out a situation before engaging, if they want to dip a toe in the water instead of diving right in. arrgghh.

do any of y'all's introverted kids have this negative thing going on like my dd? part of it may be the age (3.5), but almost any time (at least 9 times out of 10) when we encounter someone she doesn't know extremely well who goes out of their way to speak to her they get a very negative response -- "it's not a pretty dress, i don't have a name, no i don't want stickers, no i don't want a flower", etc etc, no no no no. i try to explain that folks are just trying to be friendly and nice and give her other words to say like, "thank you", "no thank you", or even, "i don't feel like talking right now" or "i need a little space" (maybe not the most polite response, but better than a mega-decibel "NOOOOOO"). she hasn't really taken hold of those alternatives yet, though. i'm sure she'll grow out of some of it, but just wondering if anybody else was in my boat, too.

i do wish i could find her a friend she would get along with, though. hoping that a little neighbor girl down the street might work out. she's a little shy, too, more on the bashful side, but has an extroverted older sister who's 6. our playgroup pals are pretty extroverted and dd1 just doesn't trust them i think. she thinks they might all snatch her toys and stuff i guess. she also is not into negotiating. at one of the playgroups a little guy was pretending the play structure was a castle or rocket or something and trying to get dd1 to engage with him, but she was having none of it. "it is NOT a castle!". urgh.

love to hear more of y'all's experiences.
post #15 of 15
My DD is just 17 months - I knew she was an introvert at her first birthday - we had the relatives over & I put a tablecloth on the table (normally doesn't have one on it) and put it back in the corner so we could fit in more people. She was fine when a few people were there, but as more showed up, she backed off - yup - you guessed it - I found her sitting underneath the table playing with some blocks. Even at church we never have to worry about her wandering away. She'll move a few feet, but then stops and won't take another step once she's reached her limit. I hope it'll keep her from jumping into risky situations when she gets to be a teen. We'll see... didn't work for introverted me, but my DH was a quiet, thoughtful teen!
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