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post #21 of 74

Another Waldorf Fan!

I also went to a parent child class and it was great! We heard great stories and learned to make up our own. We learned how to make a lot of crafts, including knitting. I couldn't have asked for a better experience. My dd loved it, couldn't wait to get there. I met so many other great moms, vegetarians who don't want their kids sitting in front of the tv all day, that's what attracted us to the school.
I have met many children from the older grades and none of them are bored or only reading Dr. Suess in 4th grade. Britishmum, I don't know which school your daughter went to, but how different it is from ours!
I would advise anyone interested to check out your local school because they are obviously all very different.

post #22 of 74
Tracey, maybe you've mixed me up with someone else but dd hasn't been to a Waldorf school - or any other yet. (She's only 19 months old!) But I'm interested in all types of education, hence my involvement in this discussion. It's good to hear about some positive experiences of Waldorf from people who don't seem defensive though!
post #23 of 74
Sorry Britishmum-it was Momofgurlz that I should have addressed.
The Waldorf threads are soooo long, I forget what I read from who!
post #24 of 74


Hi all
I am not real familiar with waldorf and all that it is,
but did attend a parent/child class with my children
who were 3 and 18 months at the time. I really loved
the group and the things we did but I have to say I was
shocked when I felt judged because my child was wanting
to nurse all the time and the teacher told me that children
should be weaned around the time they start to walk and
proceded to tell me that studies have shown that extended
nursers are more likely to be unable to leave home as adults
and go off to college ect... (My husband and all his siblings were
nursed a long time and none live close to home :-)) My son
is still nursing at 3, I pretty much let that go in one ear and out
the other!
post #25 of 74
wow. this thread is exactly what i was looking for!

heartmama, i also have a problem with the home-like stuff. i read some waldorf literature that said that the aim is to make the class a family wiht the teacher as mother-figure. WAIT A FREAKIN MINUTE: *i* am dd's mother and me, her papa, her grandparents and her kitty are HER FAMILY. maybe i'm a little crazed, but i just didn't like the way that sounded. a little cultish, maybe

i am considering attending the toddler group (dd is 18 mos) just to see what its like, but i am also very bothered by the celebration of religious holidays. while i love the idea of exposing children to spirituality and ritual, we are jewish and i have a real problem with my child being in a school where christmas, easter, etc. are celebrated in a big way to the exclusion of other traditions (i.e. *our* family's culture and traditions). just my opinion, but i think it's wrong for jewish, muslim, hindu, buddhist, etc. children to have to celebrate chriustian holidays (don't get me wrong, i am thrilled and honored to be invited to celebrate christian holidays with christian friends in their homes, but this is different IMO).

anyway, any comments on this aspect of waldorf education?

oooh, lisa, that thing about how "good" children can see the faeries woulda made me grab my kid and get the hel outta there. what a terrible thing to say to a child!! i'm shocked.
post #26 of 74
Hi Bunny's Mama,
I just wanted to say that our Waldorf School celecbrates all kinds of holidays, not just Christian ones. They light the menorah for Hannakuh and have jewish parents come in to help with the celebration. They celebrate holidays from everywhere, including China and Africa as well as all the festivals and winter solstice and May Day.

post #27 of 74
Lovinmama, in my limited experience, Waldorf is not cool with ap, which is ironic since they are often lumped together due to the "natural" granola aspect to both theories.

post #28 of 74
bunny'smama, my thoughts exactly! The whole re creation of the mother figure really bothered me...

post #29 of 74
I'm currently taking a Parent/Toddler class at the local Waldorf school. The majority of the class are AP families and no one has ever looked at us funny for breast feeding our toddlers in class.

I think it just underlines ath all of teh schools are different.

Elizabeth McKeeman
Momma to Annabelle 8/2/00
post #30 of 74
elizabeth, my friend (she posts here, too) is taking the same class as you, i think at SF waldorf and has said so many good things about it.

it does sound like each school is different, prolly based on the quality of each teacher.
post #31 of 74
post #32 of 74

Waldorf & Weaning

From Waldorf Resources:

post #33 of 74
Just to add my .02 of having been a waldorf-kid myself and having lived in a antro-family (not my own parents) as well as having been at a "normal" public school too.

I changed schools from a public school to a Waldorf-one when i was 10. I was placed a year higher since i'd been a "top-student" in my previous school (yes, so much in this competition mode at age 10 and under, that i was suffering from frequent migraines, that consequently disappeared as i entered the Waldorf school) - at first the culture shock was great, suddenly i had classes i've never dealt with (german, eurythmy etc.) and i was in this panic-mode of "not being the best in my class any more", this fear slowly subsided since there was no competition happening (ie. no grading with numbers) and i began to love all the art we got to do, making our own textbooks, knitting socks, dancing circle dances at the christmas-party that smelled of candles, apples and cinnamon.. There was plenty too that we students used to critisize, i did run off to rock-concerts (big no-no) and hated eurythmy when i was 14 and i left the school in this adolecent burst of independence to follow my passion and study art - but i probably wouldn't have found that artistic passion without the waldorf school - funnily enough i've come around full circle to consider that as an option for my dd. And yet it has to be said that you have to do your research - not all schools are created equal, many teachers live in this textbook-antroposophy that is lacking the groundedness of real life, the challenge in any spiritual quest where you may buy the philosophy BEFORE the actual experience. I see it as a never-ending journey of curiosity where you may have guidelines, but you have to fill in the blanks. I've seen my own antro-family soaring, their children blossoming into these fantastic, skilled (you should see what these kids can do with their hearts & hands!) individuals whose lives may not be "waldor-textbook" but certainly true and honest and couragerous. One of the most beautiful stories i know is how they really had to find creative solutions for their very spirited daughter, like getting her a wild horse in her teens to focus her roaring energies. She is now a wild and fabulous woman pursuing a life of an artist. In them i've seen the best of the waldorf-legacy, meeting each child in where they are and offering them tools to become thinking, feeling and creative adults. Very AP i would say. Sure they didn't breastfeed beyond one year, but after their recent trip to South-America she was talking of seeing these older kids still bf:ing, in a curious tone of "ah, it can be done that way too".

And yes, as a student it wasn't always that fantastic, but we rebelled like all teens, we got met (by being physically challenged with camping and hiking trips in wet windy mountains) and some kids left (mostly because the parents feared the kid's academic status) while others stayed and soared. You have to be the one to know your child and to decide wheter the standards of the school are acceptable to you - something you would do in any case, waldorf or not.
Ask more questions and take more responsibility of your journey and don't think that any one system will change anything unless you're willing to invest yourself into it.

And it all made me this wildly AP and granola mama that i am now!

Satu - my real name
post #34 of 74
Wow Satu
What a great post! My dd is going into kindergarten in our local Waldorf school and we have loved everything about it so far. It's great to hear from someone who has been through it beyond kindergarten.
Our parents association is strong and growing, and I feel confident it is the right place for my dd to be. I am taking the foundation year through the school this year, so that I can find out about Anthroposphy and why it upsets so many people here.

post #35 of 74
I also wanted ta add that the voice of dissent is important - so thanks for starting the thread "a".
This is a passionate subject for me, so after blurbing a part of my story a realized that i left out the parts that i really wanted to respond to..

I never had any "weird" classes (so no "zodiac and it's responding 12 senses" in our curriculum), we did study the sky and the constellations (drawing out the constellations) as well as rocks, ancient cultures, plants, geometrical forms, calligraphy, animals, cooking.. the science classes were always very hands-on (One of my strongest visual memories is this class, where we went into a darkened room, well, when you're 11, it's very exciting.. and played with colored lights and the shadows that were the opposite colors.) And since the antro-family i lived with were also teachers at the school, i've seen them preparing their many classes (and i mean PREPARING, since they do not have the ready-made textbooks)with using totally valid stacks of books, encyclopedias and such. And also my left-handed friend was left-handed all the way through school..
Also a note on eurythmy, i am trained as a movement therapist and movement analysist , and i observed an eurythmy class few years back - it was wonderful for my dancer's eyes to see a class where kids are encouraged to go into [what we call] effort qualities that are not normally in their personal movement repertoire. This translated meant that i saw these 7-8 yr olds boys and girls taking parts in playing the dragon, the knight and the princess, with some boys there in the princess roles, some girls as knights or dragons.. really allowed to live out their inner characters. For my therapist eyes that was really healthy.
Enough said, this was just echoing what mjakka and others have expressed earlier - also noting that i went to school in Europe and there may be differences between countries that i do not know of.

post #36 of 74
we have been trying out a wal;dorf playgroup lately and i'm perplexed by teh sing-songy voice the teacher uses throughout the group. it seems rather ingenuine to me, and very strange. the melodies are not intuitive (IMO) and the words ar not repetitive, so it is rather hard to catch on and sing along with her. very weird to me...
post #37 of 74
Did you ask the teacher why she uses that type of voice and sings those sorts of songs?
post #38 of 74
no. i guess i didn't feel comfortable asking, but i see where you're heading, i suppose i could just ask.

i'm just wondering if this is a waldorf thing.
post #39 of 74
Thread Starter 
I can't imagine it is a waldorf thing. But I've been amaized b4!

Please let us know.

post #40 of 74
It is a waldorf thing, it's called the pentatonic scale and they use it in the children's garden (younger children) because of the dreamy state they believe they are in before the change of teeth (losing baby teeth) around seven years old.
The sing songy voice works so well for all the teachers I have seen, parent child and preschool classes. The children start following along for clean up, snack time, what ever they are singing for.
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