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post #1 of 27
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I'm posting this here, because I figure people know where I'm coming from, from a homeschooling perspective. We're taking an unschooling approach, at least in the preschool years. I do take my son to a Gymboree art "class", simply because he likes it. I don't want him to be taught how to do art. He just likes the atmosphere and the projects.

The "teacher" of this class is friends with my dh; her dh and my dh work for the same company. Her son, who is also in the class, is a few months older than my ds. She's nice and friendly to my son.

There's a period of free painting and then we do group crafts. The class is Ok, but it's so mainstream and pushes the idea of "working with" our kids. I'm not really one to "work with". We play and read, but I don't directly teach him. The other day, when we painted at home, we saw that red and blue make purple, but I would never try to get him to memorize that and I wouldn't do a "color of the day" or anything. I don't believe in initiating early reading or writing or stuff like that. Again, we have an unschooling approach right now: life is learning and that's it. We're super laid-back in the class. I just let him do his thing.

So, one day in class, the teacher is telling us that it's good to work with our kids to teach them what their names look like. My son writes his own name, but I never say anything about it in class; Some of the other parents, OTOH, talk loudly, "VERY GOOD, Suzy!!! That IS an S!" We are just quiet and keep to ourselves.

So, last week, when the teacher saw my son writing his name, she said, "Oh, Ben's Mommy did him a favor by giving him a name with only three letters!" I didn't say anything, but it struck me as an unnecessary thing to say. Last night, as she was handing out the paper, just as Ben started writing his name, she said *to the class*, "Ben has it easy, because he only has three letters in his name", and then the other parents chuckled. Again, I just smiled and ignored her.

I want to know if I'm being too sensitive, because I can tell you that it really ticked me off. First of all, I'm already not overly happy about the structure, the whole "show and tell", where we go around the room in free time and tell the class what each kid painted. I just think the kids should paint and not have to show it off. She makes comments then, but they're generally nice ones. Still, it makes me nervous that it will change the way ds thinks, which is he doesn't think about this stuff at all; he just draws and writes for love of it, not for attention. She made a huge deal out of him painting inside the lines, she has asked me if I've helped him before. I feel like there's a weird pressure, like the parents are checking the other kids out. But on top of that, I feel like it's wrong to convey to a small child that he is doing something, "easy". It's not easy to write your name, especially when you have taught yourself how to do it. I feel like it takes away from his accomplishment and work to tell him that others think he has it "easy". I dont' want him to get preconceived notions of "easy" and "hard" and a sense of comparison. I thought we could largely avoid that with homeschooling, YK?

Am I being too sensitive? If you would be irked too, what would you do or say? Right now, I just smile and ignore the comment. I'm not sure of what to do.
post #2 of 27
"Classes" like this are about the parents, not the kids. The parents get an ego boost if their kid does something "better" than the other kids.

Are you being too sensitive? I think that you are just feeling that the class is not for you and your son. I think you are just open to the bad vibe that is being set up. Teachers make those comments all the time. Classes are about competition. How much the teacher stresses it can make the atmosphere of the class better or worse, but in a class like this where you have the parents gloating over their "genius" offspring, you're not going to be able to avoid it.

I know a few other people, homeschool types and some "normal" types, who couldn't stand the Gymboree classes for this reason.
post #3 of 27
I would have felt the same way you would if that was said to me. I don't know what I would do about it, maybe let it go this time, but if she continues to point that out, I would have a talk with her.

You did'nt do him a favor and give him a short name. It just so happens to be a long name that can be shortend to 3 letters. Like there are'nt any other kids in that class that can't shorten their name. Sure it might not be 3 letters but who gives a flying flip?



Yeah i did my kids a favor and shortend my name to ma. If I really want to give them a challenge I have them spell it mom.


How crazy! I dont' think you are being too sensitive at all, that would just really irk me too.
post #4 of 27
Hi Kerri You sound normal to me. It is amazing to me how many people want to "teach" colors and shapes...I guess for us that kind of learning just takes place throughout the course of the day.

I understnd your frustration. I guess we find that kind of thing in classes and activities that are designed to teach our children. It's the philosophy behind the class, you know? That somehow, we, as the parents have to coach and teach and praise or else our children won't ever learn anything

As far as how to respond to the teacher, I would say something if it makes you uncomfortable. Like, "Ben has practiced a lot to learn how to write his name.." and maybe she will get the hint. Could she be jealous? Of his writing his name or just your relaxed style with him? My Ben doesn't write his name, and I don't think anything of it.

You sound like someone who I would hang out with in class.
post #5 of 27
You're not too sensitive- that is a little strange. Seems like so often people are really PUSHING little kids, when they should just chill. (And the personal comments about Ben's name would have bothered me.) The children who have been taught to recite (for praise) colors, numbers, big words, etc. aren't "taking the lead"- they're missing out on the joy of discovery and learning. I'd consider taking him out of the class and get some art supplies (and some friends, young and/or old, if you'd like) and explore art at home.
post #6 of 27
I don't think you're being too sensitive either. That is a thoughtless thing to say that seems normal/okay to the person saying it partly because of the atmosphere of demonstrating and showing off on the part of parents. Many people just blurt out thoughts without really considering how they affect others.

Parents seem to slip easily into a show-off mode in which they (or we) hope that everyone notices us being such good parents in public. Maybe we need to know people see us if we're feeling invisible to "the adult world" and want validation... Probably this applies mainly to extroverts, BTW. I notice extroverts and introverts throw each other off a lot and that may be part oof your situation.

I think that people who teach and help with classes might also feel like they should continually say things to show that they are active, involved teachers. If it's a bit witty, it entertains the adults. When I've been in teacher positions it seems hard to be low-intervention because parents expect teachers to show they have a reason for existing and claiming the title of "teacher" by constantly talking and doing and interacting in visible ways.

I don't think a comment like this should be the only reason for getting out of such a class--if I were otherwise satisfied I would let a comment like this slide and maybe come up with a funny and slightly pointed response just in case it is made again. But if it's connected to a dislike of the general approach then I'd consider whether the class really had much to offer. Art activities are easy to do at home, which means the social experience is really the only reason to be there. If the social aspects are unappealing, why bother?
post #7 of 27
I think the "three letter" comment seems borderline--if not outright--snarky. One time might be her being funny, but twice seems like she's trying to make a point of it.

I took Hollis to a Gymboree-type place when he was little, until my daughter was born and maybe a little longer (I can't remember anymore). We eventually stopped going because everyone there (parents and teachers) was CONSTANTLY commenting on his giftedness to the point where he was becoming known as "that smart kid" even to people we'd never met. You can imagine how comfortable that was.

I think because of the "levels" those classes have and the fact that all the babies are exactly the same age, it's an environment just begging for superfluous comparisons and jealousy or hurt feelings. For that reason I chose not to put Nan into the classes, and it's a good thing because she started walking at 8 months which would have been cause for another round of freakouts.
post #8 of 27
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Thank you, everyone. I was trying to figure out if I'm overreacting. There's a bit more to the story.

First, even though dh knows and likes this teacher, he stopped going with Ben. He didn't want to re-enroll him, because the class was starting to bug him in general. I offered to take Ben instead just so that we could have a night out by ourselves; dh gets a night home with just the baby.

We do lots of art at home. I was taking him, because he seemed to like it and also for social stuff. Ben, like dh and I, is an introvert. He is very comfortable with adults and individual kids, but gets a little nervous around groups of age-mates. Like, getting a gluestick out of the box can be a big deal for him, because he is very cautious. He tries to navigate around objects and around the other kids. If two kids come running up, he might jump a bit and then he stands back and waits for them to leave. The class was giving him a chance to increase his comfort level in groups of children.

But this whole praising and comparison thing bugs me. Meowee said it: the class is for the parents. People praise loudly, try to direct their kid's efforts, and then we "share" what we've done. Ben paints some detailed things sometimes. Lately, he paints fire-engines. One week after it was our turn to say what was painted (fire-engine), two little kids declared that their beautiful swirls were also fire-engines. Everyone laughed and the teacher said it was good that the kids were learning from each other like this, but I didn't like it. What's wrong with a beautiful swirl? And why does painting have to BE anything? And now she preceeds Ben's name by saying things like, "Ben, you always paint interesting things. What have you done this week?" She said that last night. What if he just wants to paint a swirl?; there's like an expectation now. I don't think it's good for Ben or any of the other kids to get dragged into a show and tell. I don't know.

This is just a random comment, but the week he wore wings from the dress-up box (we dress-up at the end), she said, "If Daddy were here, he wouldn't let you wear that."

She really is a nice person, but I'm getting increasingly annoyed. FWIW, her son only has four letters in his name. I have no idea if he writes it, because I'm not looking at other people's work. I did notice, from loud praising, that a little girl with a long name can write her whole name. Why the remarks about Ben? Maybe she did just blurt it out. I'm not sure.

Stupid me, I paid ahead already, so he's enrolled through the winter. I'm thinking about asking if I can apply Ben's tuition towards the baby's tumble class. That class seems low-key and the baby likes it so far. You know, about the comparisons that several of you have mentioned, it's so true in this format for some reason. Someone asked how many teeth my baby had and then was shocked, "My baby is 13 months and she only has four teeth!". Sigh.

Thanks, again, for your insight. I think I'll talk to dh and see if we can't apply the tuition cost towards the fun baby class. Maybe it's not really important to learn how to get glue sticks from a communal bucket. Plus, he doesn't participate in the songs or the storytime.
post #9 of 27
Oh what a great way to embarrass children!!!!! No you are not being overly sensitive. In this class you have children that don't care, children that will be embarrassed, and children feeling inadaquate because they don't get the attention.

My oldest daughter would be devestated if someone did that with her name. She is a sensitive girl and has an easier name to write than your son.

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Now as for painting and mixing colors I am more the type of mom that would let the child notice the mixing and then say hey what happens if we .................. Then make a huge mess (this really translates into another excuse for mommy to play.). My kids all loved it. But we wouldn't do color of the day or memorizing how colors go together.

I will admit with paints/painting I have unresolved childhood issues. My mom would not buy them, even after much begging. In class I was always to scared to go to the art easles they were beside the teachers desk.
post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by meowee
Teachers make those comments all the time. Classes are about competition. How much the teacher stresses it can make the atmosphere of the class better or worse, but in a class like this where you have the parents gloating over their "genius" offspring, you're not going to be able to avoid it.
You hit on something that I'm feeling. Mom4Tot said something similar. I'm feeling like this is just a philosophical difference between the mainstream world and me. I think my particular homeschooling beliefs are conflicting with the overall philosophy in the class. There was a GymKids class that the teacher was trying to sell me on. It's ages 3-5, like the art class. She said that they would send the kids in the art room for 15 minutes at the end and the parents would not be allowed to go in, because the goal is to teach independence that lends itself to school readiness. When dh had previously previewed that class with Ben, he said that there was lots of competition, hand-raising, putting individual kids on the spot to perform. Ben came home practically clinging to dh's leg, because he does not like being called out. Well-meaning parents were saying, "Come on, Ben, you can do it too. Hop on one leg." or whatever. He hates that sort of thing.

I guess I'm going to keep running into this. This is the age of preschool around here, of "school readiness preparation". I just don't fit into that. Our philosophy is radically different.. I feel kind of disappointed.

Maybe I need to rethink my biases on socialization. Maybe socialization at the park is undervalued. As I said in the last post, maybe learning how to wait in line for gluesticks is not a really important skill at age 3. We can do all this in a more organic fashion, I suppose. I think we need to opt out of the "class" concept, at least until he's older and expresses a stronger interest.
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by Marsupialmom
Oh what a great way to embarrass children!!!!! No you are not being overly sensitive. In this class you have children that don't care, children that will be embarrassed, and children feeling inadaquate because they don't get the attention.

My oldest daughter would be devestated if someone did that with her name. She is a sensitive girl and has an easier name to write than your son.
Nods enthusiastically. That's what's happening. Child A paints a beautiful and unique creation, but then is put on the spot to put words behind it. Then, Child A watches each kid put words behind their painting. Child A thinks about this, watches the adult reactions to the other paintings, compares, and then feels differently about his/her painting. This bugs me.


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Originally Posted by Marsupialmom

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Now as for painting and mixing colors I am more the type of mom that would let the child notice the mixing and then say hey what happens if we .................. Then make a huge mess (this really translates into another excuse for mommy to play.). My kids all loved it. But we wouldn't do color of the day or memorizing how colors go together.
Honestly, while I'm not out to teach him color mixing, I do make suggestions. I may point out what he did: Oh look, when you mixed those two colors they made purple! Or I might do like you say and suggest: What do you think would happen if we mixed these colors together? We have a lot of fun with paints and stuff at home. My mom didn't do this with us either, that whole mess factor. I think I have as much fun as he does sometimes. Yesterday, we tried pouring salt in the paint to see what would happen. It was my idea, but he was all in favor of it. When it dried, it looked like he had made little mountains, kind of like a relief map. Fun stuff!
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by LeftField
Maybe I need to rethink my biases on socialization. Maybe socialization at the park is undervalued. As I said in the last post, maybe learning how to wait in line for gluesticks is not a really important skill at age 3. We can do all this in a more organic fashion, I suppose. I think we need to opt out of the "class" concept, at least until he's older and expresses a stronger interest.
Others may disagree with me, but I don't believe group activity type socialization for kids is all that important until age 10-12. Until then, as long as they're not an only child (and I see you have two), learning good manners at home (and by good manners I mean, no bad words, no name calling, no hitting) is enough IMO. Maybe if it is a single parent family it would be nice for the kid to spend time with an adult of the opposite gender than the single parent.

I think a lot of these activities for little kids are more about the parents than the kids.

Remember when Headstart had a stigma attached to it? Now parents salivate to get their kids into "programs" as early as possible to "accelerate" their learning.

It's obvious from your post that you are not doing this but it sounds like the other parents are and that the teacher is feeding into it.
post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by meowee
Others may disagree with me, but I don't believe group activity type socialization for kids is all that important until age 10-12. Until then, as long as they're not an only child (and I see you have two), learning good manners at home (and by good manners I mean, no bad words, no name calling, no hitting) is enough IMO.
Taking it further, my son IS an only child & I do not make an extra effort to make him engage in group socialization. He is five. He plays with his cousins & some good friends every week & we do go to a playgroup most Thursdays. It is up to him what he does at these outings.

I think if the OP is uncomfortable with the class, then that is it. I hope the tuition can go to the tumbling class, either that or speak up when something bothers you. Yeah, there are only 3 letters in "Ben," but it is still quite an accomplishment for a three year old to write his name. The teacher deserves to know that you are upset I think.
post #14 of 27
And I think the comment about the wings and dad not letting him dress up like that is awful!!! Worse than the name thing IMO.

MY ds is almost five and likes to wear shiny shoes, nail polish, and hairclips sometimes. I like it fine but worry about the comments someone might make. He just likes pretty things like anyone--it doesn't have anything to do with his masulinity. :
post #15 of 27
From the teacher's POV I must be mean - my son's name is Alexander. :LOL
post #16 of 27
As someone who teachers early childhood art, I would definitely be bothered by the class & comments as well as well. As a previous poster said, it seems to be about a teacher saying things to seem like they have something "to do" as the teacher. Sigh. Its so frustrating that so many teachers see thier job to be the speaker rather than to be a listener and a converser.

As to encouraging parents "working with" thier kids, what happened to "conversing with"? - which is what I encouraged the (very mainstream) parents in my class to do. I had parent handouts discussing the materials of the week and giving examples of actions and possible things to observe (from the materials) and discuss (not teach). I think so many people (parents and teachers) see adult-child interaction as "teaching" time as opposed to "share in discovering the world" time. And of course I visited with each kid (who wasn't already coming to me) to talk about, well, whatever they were interested in. For one girl it was cheese.


I also think it's totally unfair and has little developmental relevance to comment on kids "skills and accomplishments" in front of the class. In one of my classes, I had a three year old who could read and when I read a story to begin the class (which kids chould choose or not choose to participate in) he would sometimes point out words on the page. From a mainstream standpoint this is of course a "huge deal". To me it was just one of a bunch of things going on with all of the kids there and I treated his recognising words just as I treated others recognising pictures or making animal sounds from the story etc., etc. It was very interesting that as I didn't make a big deal about it, neither did the very mainstream parents. We were having fun with a story and art materials and there really was no time to ooh and ahh over "mainstream skills".

It is very frustrating looking for opportunities to teach (or really facilitate) based on listening to children in a world that sees the "work" of the young child to identify colors and letters and shapes and numbers. I certainly hope that I will be homeschooling soon. :
post #17 of 27
What is with the "school readiness" thing anyway? It's not good enough that we send our kids away at age five to be taught by other people... now they have to start at age three getting READY for kindergarten which is supposed to get them READY for grade school? Pretty soon we'll be reading books about the schoolbus to our fetuses just so they get a jump on the whole thing.
post #18 of 27
I don't understand why you didn't withdraw when you noticed at the beginning that it was a structured class instead of a free art period.
Just tell her you can't come anymore and ask for your money back, if you end up with a credit voucher and a bad feeling about gymboree offer to sell it to one of the other parents.
Stewing about her comments to your ds (which yes, were out of line) is not helping resolve this & is just making an atmosphere of resentment which IME your dc will definately pick up on.

honestly I would have stuck up for my dc when she made the 1st comment and given her the evil eye with a comment right back- second comment from her we would have left, but I am an old snarky menipausal mombear with no patience for crud like that. She is not a nice person, nice people do not belittle kids.
IMHO 3 year olds do not need to take any structured classes in anything that is a complete waste of money unless you are doing it and leaving the dc there to get a break that you need for your sanity or health.
Mary
mom to ds16, ds10, ds7, and dd turning 5!!
post #19 of 27
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LittleYellow,

I really appreciate your insight as an early childhood teacher. Thank you.
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by lckrause
What is with the "school readiness" thing anyway? It's not good enough that we send our kids away at age five to be taught by other people... now they have to start at age three getting READY for kindergarten which is supposed to get them READY for grade school? Pretty soon we'll be reading books about the schoolbus to our fetuses just so they get a jump on the whole thing.
Ok, this made me laugh! But seriously, I don't "get" the whole readiness rush in toddler years no less!
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