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post #41 of 57
http://www.81x.com/WTobjectFrame.aspx?ProjectID=102598

This is a homebirth advocacy group based in Nebraska.

MANA states that homebirth Not legally regulated, but not prohibited
post #42 of 57
What is the infant mortality rate in a state that outlaws homebirth and midwives?

Where are the statistics on this?
post #43 of 57
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Originally Posted by applejuice
What is the infant mortality rate in a state that outlaws homebirth and midwives?

Where are the statistics on this?
It would be nice to compare those statistics. I'll have to do some digging, but a few years ago I came across the VBAC vs Elective C-section infant mortality and mother mortality statistics but I can't recall where.
post #44 of 57
I do know that Washington D.C. has the highest rate of infant mortality on at least one table I have read.

Yes, this would take some digging.
post #45 of 57
lincolnsmom -- what is the latest?
post #46 of 57
Thread Starter 
Well, the midwife in Iowa has disappeared. No phone, no email, nothing. And from what I understand Iowa's laws are not as restrictive as surrounding states. So, in the meantime, I've been seeing a nurse-midwife who does waterbirths at a local hospital.

You would not believe how much this dissappoints me. It feels downright wrong. We toured the hospital, and their policies ... ugh! I'm privately considering a UC, but my husband is NOT interested in this possibility. He shuts off any conversation I try to start about it with NO WAY!

Anyway, I'm not giving up hope, yet anyway. There are rumors about some homebirth midwives still practicing, but I've yet to find them through any normal channels. I'm due in mid-july, so travel during bad weather is not much of an issue, if I could just find someone to travel to!!!

The local homebirth advocacy group seems to have fizzled out in the past two months or so, there's little or no interest. There's one an hour away, and I am planning to meet with them as soon as their next meeting occurs.

If anything positive comes up, I'll be sure to post it .... I know I'm not the only person in my area who wants a homebirth so badly, but I feel really alone anyway.
post #47 of 57

I too was looking and looking and looking for what seemed like forever, but really only 4wks. I didn't have the time you have, I was 28 wks pregant (really 30) when my OB 'terminated my care'.
La Leche League members and leaders were my key to finding a homebirth midwife. I suggested them before and I'll suggest going to a meeting again. If you mention your desire for a homebirth someone might come up to you after a meeting with your answer for a mw.
I finally asked my friend who was not leading meetings anymore but still contected. Within 2 days of asking her, she sent me about 12 e-mail replies with 3 or 4 leads and from there I figured out the deal rather quickly. (M was the head mw and T and C were the apprentices and F was no longer doing births.)
I was a vbac so I didn't want to go in on it alone, I wouldn't know if something was amiss. That is one of the reasons laboring at home for as long as possible before going to the hospital didn't make sense to me, since that is when something for a vbac could go wrong. I needed someone then, not later at the hospital.
I hope you can get the birth you want and not all hospitals are bad, some woman have very positive experiences in hospitals. I'm not personally one of those woman, but most of my friends are 'okay' with them.
If you can hire a doula who is in line with your thinking, have her be your advocate at the hospital. In labor is not the time to be arguing over routine procedures and protocols, get those all written out before hand. And if you CNM or doc is not going to support you in refusing those, work that out now as well. Call the L&D for a list of routine stuff.
post #48 of 57
Lincolnsmom, PM me and I will give you some info that may help you out. I know my midwife (in SD) goes to some places in NE, not sure if she goes all the way to Lincoln or not, I can check with her and give her your info if you'd like.
post #49 of 57
It is technically "illegal" here in GA too but there is a pretty large underground scene- I just had to look a little harder. How dare the government tell me how or where I can have my baby. F*ck the system!
post #50 of 57
A bit T, but is Lincoln, NE a hub of white supremecist activity?

I do not know how I made that connection, but is it true?

So sad.
post #51 of 57
Dear Lincolnmom
post #52 of 57

homebirth is legal in florida, but we were still persecuted!

i was saddened to hear of the laws in your state, but even here in florida,where homebirth is legal, the system punished us.
My hubby and i have been married over 10years, we met in massage school, we both still practise it and i am also an acupuncturist. we have our own small clinic. our son was born april 22 2004 unassisted at home. he was early and small, just 4pnds4ounces, but had perfect newborn tests, apgar,muscle tests,ect..i had thought he'd be small, its common with smaller asian women like myself.we had gone to consult with a midwife but choose a birth by ourselves.we checked to make sure this would be legal. my hubby had paramedic training, i am a doctor, and in case of emergency, we live close to the hospital. the birth was, well, easy. less than an hour, i stood the whole time, never screamed, the whole experience was calm, loving, and best of all, private. i couln't have asked for a better birth.
7 weeks later, on a sunday night,11:00 at night, a knock at the door. child services and the police are demanding to see our baby. someone called and said we were abusing our son. the social worker demanded entry, searched our home and seperately interogated us. we were told that we had no rights, could not record or call a lawyer.the police and an ambulance were called. when the social worker confirmed that we had a home birth and had seen alternative medical providers i could see her disgust.then she learned that i was breastfeeding,or "the baby gets no real food?!" i was given the choice to have my baby taken away or to go to the hospital by ambulance to have a full range of tests done by "real doctors". i went. my husband followed. my son cried his first tears in the ambulance, they detained us long enough for the baby to miss two feedings,he got his first and only diaper rash in the hospital from stress, and was colicy for weeks after. they also kept him away from his dad for hours, the longest my husband had ever been away from his son.we were not allowed to leave. i had to have a nurse observe all breast feedings and diaper changes.
we were released on the third day, after being examined by three pediatricins and monitered 24/7, pronounced perfectly healthy, with the condition that we see a pediatrician every week until the case officially closed. it took months, and all of the costs, the ambulance, doctors,tests,nurses,ect, were billed to us. we hired a lawyer and a private investigator. this is what we have learned- anyone can call in a report, they can say anything they want, you can never know who called it in and they are never held responsible. the person who made our call, we believe it was someone who never knew us directly, had heard of us thru gossip at a hair salon! the report claimed our baby's skull was fractured and his brain protruded out of its skull. unfortunately, once the social worker heard we were homebirth and breastfeeding, she nolonger cared that this obviously untrue. she had lied to us, we did have the right to an attorney, to refuse her entrance. but she did have the power to "remove" my child from me. so i recomend that homebirthers retain a lawyer, someone they can call in the middle of the night. if anyone calls, they have the right to take your child on the authority of one social worker's opinion of homebirth, if you refuse, you can be arrested and the child will still be taken from you. and it is legal. so, even in a state where homebirth is legal, it doesnt mean it will be any easier.
i would welcome any coments or other similar stories, and thank you for the chance to speak about it.
Today my son is 7+ months, healthy and more than three+ times his birth weight, he sees a pediatrcian regularly, just in case someone was concerned....
post #53 of 57

OT reply to previous post

OMG!!!
How did you get out of all of that without vaxing your son for hepB at least the nb dose?
How awful!
What ever happen to civil liberties??? (retorical question)
I can not believe they put sposie diapers on your child and refused you the right to feed him! Did they give him formula? Do they not know the damage done to an immature system by formula? Well, of course they don't.
I hope everyone who reads your story takes away the need for them to know what their legal rights are as parents and to stick to their guns if ever in the same position.
I would be filing a lawsuit for infringing on my religious rights, of course I use a religious exemption for vaccines and medical treatment. My encounters with government employeesat the local level around here has been once you state it is against your religious beliefs, they step back and leave it be. I think that is mostly because they don't know if they can proceed legally and if so at what level.
It is absolutely appauling the ignorant audacity of some people (speaking of the social worker and her ignorant stance on bfing and homebirth and obvious ignorance of the law).
post #54 of 57
dear beth adams,

please, please tell me you have sued.
post #55 of 57

sueing is not really an option....

we did talk to the lawyer, but the law is NOT on our side. in the name of protecting children, the state is fine with stepping on a few parents, and since then we heard some stories that make ours sound like a fairy tale. we are trying to settle out of court for the bills...noone managed to do anything at the hospital that i am against, no blood work, no disposable diapers,ect. i just keep repeating myself to any and all that nothing that we had done was illegal, that i felt we were being descriminated against for our beliefs and, heres the kicker, for being an interracial couple.by the third day the chief of police was apologizing and reiterating how everyone respects our views, blah,blah. legally, we would have had more of a case if i let them do more to the baby, but thats ok, we got out of there, and were still standing. one good thing, after something like that the hurricaines this summer seemed like no big deal...ohh one little moment i think back on with a smile.-the second pediatrician checked the pulse, took the case history,ect, and said everything looked fine, then mentioned she would like to do the blood tests,just because she was "curious". i told her i had no problem with her collecting his urine or bowel from his diaper, but she was not removing anything from inside the baby. then i challenged her to exam his blood by feeling his pulse with her fingers, i questioned why she had no medicine without her equipment. she was confused and asked what could i do.well, acupuncturists diagnose by feeling the quality of the blood, i could feel that while my son was agitated, he was not in pain, ect, we ended up having a good talk about hands on medicine. she was not an uncaring person, and i also had some great talks with some of the nursing staff as well. a silver lining i guess i would say. and the best thing about something like that happening, you find out who your friends are, because suddenly everyone takes sides, it was either the worst thing or some of our friends and family said, "oh good, the baby went to the hospital and saw a real doctor" "you deserve that for having a baby at home".
i want to thank the responders to my story, i slept great after writing it, and i was grateful for the support. ill go ahead and mention one other issue that ive mentioned in my "signature" that i have yet to come across here. when we applied for the babies birth certificate, and that was an ordeal,- it takes 3 people to witness a birth in florida, so we had to get notorized winesses to my pregnancy- we checked no for a social security number, and he was assigned one any way. so then we went back and got it removed. it was not easy, even in the social security office they tried to say it was mandatory and could not be removed. but it is not. and the goverment did remove it.we dont know yet all the ins and outs of having a ss number, which is why we didnt get one yet. they dont want to explain it , they just say, oh he has to have one. when they ask why we dont want one we like to say, well, maybe our son doesnt want to pay taxes?...anyone else's child not having one?
post #56 of 57
Thread Starter 

Totally off topic

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Originally Posted by applejuice
A bit T, but is Lincoln, NE a hub of white supremecist activity?

I do not know how I made that connection, but is it true?

So sad.
Umm, I haven't heard this, but it is a fairly conservative, white, christian area. However, it is more left-leaning than most of the state, if that tell you anything! I have lived in Lincoln for a total of 6 years, off and on, and I've not heard of supremacist activity, but I wouldn't be involved in such a thing anyways ...

However, the movie "Boys Don't Cry" is based on the story of a girl who lived as a man who was from Lincoln. She moved to a small town south of here, and was murdered. So we're not without prejudice here, that's for sure.
post #57 of 57
First off, way to go for doing your birth your way.
I live in an area of NY where they've just started that 'no more hospital vbacs' nonsense. So I had mine at home too. Stories like your ordeal make me realize how we lucked out having our HBAC up here and I will never ever EVER complain about the hassle again. : Even the paperwork was a breeze. We went in armed with new born photos, signed statements, etc. Turns out we didn't need any of it. Just went in and asked for a birth certificate and they typed it up right there. If I'd have known it was that simple, I would have registered triplets and used the tax refund to pay the midwife.
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we checked no for a social security number, and he was assigned one any way. so then we went back and got it removed. it was not easy, even in the social security office they tried to say it was mandatory and could not be removed. but it is not. and the goverment did remove it.we dont know yet all the ins and outs of having a ss number, which is why we didnt get one yet. they dont want to explain it , they just say, oh he has to have one. when they ask why we dont want one we like to say, well, maybe our son doesnt want to pay taxes?...anyone else's child not having one?
Why wouldn't you want the ss number? You need that to deduct him from your taxes. Just wondering.



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