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post #81 of 582
can I use soy milk to make my kefir with? my dd is allergic to dairy and wanted to try if it was ok
post #82 of 582
Thread Starter 
The 'Dom' on his website says you can use soy milk, but it's not the stuff they prefer. Here is a link to the page where he has some info on it:

http://ftp.newave.net.au/~dna/vegmilk.html

Just click the 'soy milk kefir' link

I hate soy, and would use coconut milk over any other non dairy milk, to culture the Kefir, if I had to make a choice. But if you like soy and are not worried about it, then use the soy! Cause soy kefir is better than no kefir at all.... :LOL
post #83 of 582

can I join in please?

Hi there,
I've been *avidly* reading this thread and the other Kefir one, and now I've finally found a good og milk source (non-homogenized too!) so I really want to start making kefir!

Is there any chance someone can get some up here to Canada for me?

(my e-mail addy is durafemina at gmail dot com)

thanks!
durafemina
post #84 of 582
durafemina -- Heather just did a Canadian mailing. I'd like to hear a report on it before I am so bold.
post #85 of 582
nak

hey i have a whole wheat-kefir pound cake in the oven at the moment! smells marvelous. will update after it gets tasted
post #86 of 582
Thread Starter 
CJR should be emailing me anyday now with hopefully good news, that she got her box, up in Canada! She's been without a computer for last few days, hope to hear from her soon!

post #87 of 582
The verdict is in on the pound cake ... it's

I used a sour cream pound cake recipe, but subbed a kefir/yogurt blend for the sour cream. I also used whole wheat pastry flour, and sifted it first ... to my surprise, there *was* some bran caught in the sieve (I just added it back in the flour bin).

Will edit to add entire recipe later.
post #88 of 582
I just read some of this thread....it caught my eye because I started giving kefir (how do you pronounce that btw??) to my dog recently so I have some in my fridge. I never tried it just smelled it...we are strict veggie w/ some raw goat cheese a few times a month. I made a smoothie w/ a bannana, agave nector, flax seeds and vanilla and it was very good, I also feel good after drinking that I dont know how you make it yourself but I am very interested!
post #89 of 582
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Quote:
Originally Posted by girlndocs
The verdict is in on the pound cake ... it's

I used a sour cream pound cake recipe, but subbed a kefir/yogurt blend for the sour cream. I also used whole wheat pastry flour, and sifted it first ... to my surprise, there *was* some bran caught in the sieve (I just added it back in the flour bin).

Will edit to add entire recipe later.
waits for recipe....
post #90 of 582
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rainys~mama
I just read some of this thread....it caught my eye because I started giving kefir (how do you pronounce that btw??) to my dog recently so I have some in my fridge. I never tried it just smelled it...we are strict veggie w/ some raw goat cheese a few times a month. I made a smoothie w/ a bannana, agave nector, flax seeds and vanilla and it was very good, I also feel good after drinking that I dont know how you make it yourself but I am very interested!
From page one:

"How is Kefir Made?

Kefir can be made from any type of milk, cow, goat or sheep, coconut, rice or soy. Although it is slightly mucous forming, the mucous has a "clean" quality to it that creates ideal conditions in the digestive tract for the colonization of friendly bacteria.

Kefir is made from gelatinous white or yellow particles called "grains." This makes kefir unique, as no other milk culture forms grains. These grains contain the bacteria/yeast mixture clumped together with casein (milk proteins) and complex sugars. They look like pieces of coral or small clumps of cauliflower and range from the size of a grain of wheat to that of a hazelnut. The grains ferment the milk, incorporating their friendly organisms to create the cultured product. The grains are then removed with a strainer before consumption of the kefir and added to a new batch of milk."

I always send out a very specific (how to brew) info sheet with grain 'orders', as does Gale...however I"m low on grains atm, but Gale Force has extras right now! You can PM her and she (and I) send them out priority mail, for shipping costs.

All you need to brew Kefir (key Fur) or (Keh Fear) is some type of glass jar with a lid, the Kefir grains, and some kind of milk. A strainer that is non metal is a good idea, for straining off the grains for your next batch.
post #91 of 582
After reading all this I'm excited to try making my own, but where do I get the grains??
I have a local supply of fresh organic milk and have recently started using sour milk for soaking. I'm dying to try the kefir bread.
post #92 of 582
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So far, I know for sure Gale Force and I mail them out. You just need to PM one or both of us to check status. Others have grains, but they might still be 'fattening them up' or the ones I know that probably have extras, I haven't seen online lately

Also, at the Dom's website, there is a 'obtaining grains' list that you can search for someone locally. You can just google it.

Here are the problems me and Gale currently are having:

Gale is having postmaster troubles and you will need to contact her to be sure she can get them mailed out.

I'm low on grains, as I've been mailing them out ALOT. I should have enough this coming Monday, Nov 8th, if you or anyone else needs some, and Gale doesn't get to you before me.

You will love the bread! I ONLY make bread with Kefir in it now...it's so much softer and fluffier. The Kefir is like having a 'gentle' yeast added to it that really helps in baking.
post #93 of 582
I have grains!!!!!

Please someone take some spare grains. I'm making more kefir than I can use!
My grains have been used in locally raised hormone free milk. Once I put them in soy milk.

PM me if you'd like some grains! All I ask is that you pay for shipping.
post #94 of 582
I sent an e-mail from Dom's site to see if there is anyone local who can send me some, otherwise I will take you up on your offer to send them.
Are they heavy? Shipping to Switzerland is outrageous.
post #95 of 582
Dominic charges 25 Euros to send them out. Yikes! Ok, he sends a booklet too, but it's too expensive.

Parthenia, I will gladly pay you shipping plus some if you will send me some of yours.
post #96 of 582
OK-I am game. I just bought some grains at the local co-op. Xena, would you mind posting the sheet that you send about growing the grains, straining, etc..

Thanks so much! I am looking forward to trying this!
post #97 of 582
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos_pie
OK-I am game. I just bought some grains at the local co-op. Xena, would you mind posting the sheet that you send about growing the grains, straining, etc..

Thanks so much! I am looking forward to trying this!
Here is the dom's site about doing just that:


http://ftp.newave.net.au/~dna/Makekefir.html

I will get my sheet info later posted. Basically to a glass jar, add your grains and about 1-2 cups milk, depending if you have alot of grains or a tiny amount. Put a lid on loosely, let sit on counter for 24 hours. You might need to adjust your brew time depending on the flavor you are looking for.

The dehydrating and making back up grain info (curtesy of the dom) is on page 3...a MUCH edited down version...refer to his website for more indepth info.

I'm expecting a repair man any minute, but have a LOT of stuff I need to post after he fixes my dish washer.
post #98 of 582
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Here is an exact copy of the first page I send. I send some detail info sheets also regarding stuff like the dehydrating of grains for back up, etc:

KEFIR INFO SHEET

Here are your LIVE Kefir Grains. They have been shipped in a bit of whole, organic milk. The milk will be ‘Kefir’ by the time you get it. It might be on the ‘strong’ side, so I suggest gently straining off the Kefir milk, discarding it and placing your grains in a fresh jar of milk, following the below instructions.

Brewing Directions:
In a clean, wide mouth glass jar (ie, a mason jar is wonderful), place these grains and 1-2 cups milk (whole, 2%, skim, pasteurized or not, homogenized or not – organic is preferable, though). Start with the smaller amount of milk, you can increase it over a few days time, as your grains grow.

Place a lid on the jar or a layer or two of paper towel or a piece of cloth over top (secured by a rubber band). Leave sitting on your countertop, out of direct sunlight for 24 hours. During the brew time, gently swirl the jar to make sure the grains are ‘bathed’ with the milk and this will help feed them and convert the milk to Kefir.

12 - 24 - 48 hours later, depending on milk to grain ratio and ambient temperature in your kitchen, you will have ‘real’ Kefir. It will be a bit tart and tangy. You will need to adjust the ‘brew’ time to get it to taste best for you. Less time will be less tart and more ‘yogurty’, longer will be sourer tasting.

Just prior to straining, the jar is gently shaken (swirled) or the contents are stirred to redistribute the curds back with the layers and pockets of clear-whey. This makes straining a little easier. You may not have curd/whey separation, if you brew for a shorter time period; no worries, it’ll just be more like yogurt.

Straining: Use a non metal strainer (I took a piece of the plastic mesh bag my garlic comes in, and cut it to fit over the lid of my mason jar, then secured it with a rubber band. This works well for keeping the grains from slipping through and it’s easy to clean. If you must use a metal strainer, try to avoid as much contact with the grains as possible. The acid content of the grains/Kefir can cause minute electrical currents that can harm the grains.
After straining, the grains are placed straight back into a pre washed fermenting vessel, without rinsing the grains. Fresh milk is added to the grains to prepare the next batch. As a buffer, a portion of fresh kefir from the previous batch, may be left [or added] in the fermenting vessel with the fresh milk plus kefir grains. This is how kefir was prepared traditionally in the Caucasus region. [I now use a nylon mesh strainer that was a kid's bath toy...hehe...it works great!]

The strained kefir is either consumed fresh, or poured into a sealed container and stored either in the refrigerator or stored at room temperature to ripen for a few days.

Every few days I usually place the grains in a little cup with some Kefir and give the ‘brew jar’ a thorough cleaning with mild dish soap and hot water (and rinse VERY WELL in fresh water). Do not add your grains back into a hot jar, it will kill them. The ‘Dom’ says this isn’t necessary, but it makes me feel better to give the brew jar a good wash occasionally.

Eventually you will notice the grains increasing in mass, and you can add more milk to the jar for brewing or remove some of the grains to give away or make a ‘back up’ copy.

The following website (The ‘Dom’s’ Kefir Site) is FULL of great info and a few recipes for using up Kefir.
http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html
post #99 of 582
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I made these this morning:

Banana Kefir Waffles

2 cups unbleached all purpose flour
2 1/2 tsp baking powder
1/2 tsp baking soda
2 Tbs Rapadura sugar (or use brown or white)
3/4 tsp sea salt
3 eggs
1 tsp vanilla extract
1 1/2 cups Kefir
3 Tbs grapeseed oil (or oil of choice)
1 cup (3 medium) mashed, very ripe bananas

In one bowl, mix the flour, baking powder and soda and salt. In another bowl, mix the eggs with a fork, then add the sugar and mix to 'dissolve' the sugar, add in the mashed bananas. Add the vanilla extract and Kefir, and the oil and blend until smooth. (I used a hand mixer to make it a really smooth batter.) Add in the flour mixture and blend again until a smooth batter forms, but don't beat it too much. I let this mixture sit while I heated up thr waffle iron. I 'oiled' the waffle iron lightly with coconut oil. The batter will seem kinda thick, so I used a scant 'half cup' for each half of the waffle iron. This made about 14 waffles. I froze the extras and they toast up nice!
post #100 of 582
can u make it with almond milk??