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[Leonor]

Originally posted by Just Wondering

1) That Sarah could consider her "theory" as the ultimate authority on poverty and its causes. But then, that exemplifies the attitudes of those who consider TCS the be-all and end-all of all humanistic issues. Since when has she been the ultimate economic, social and historial intellectual of the world?

I don't see where she writes she is the ultimate authority of humanistic issues or anything else, could you please quote? Being a libertarian, I find it weird she would say she was an authority of anything.

2) That you were unaware of the issue before reading this article.

I wasn't unaware of the issue of poverty, I live in a 3rd world country, remember? The issue I was talking about, and I apologize for not being clear, is the wants vs. needs, the guilt of wanting and having possessions (I was talking about that in my post). It never crossed my mind that being selfish could be right.

3) That in light of No 2, you seemingly looked no further for other explanations.

I know others explanations for poverty, but that was not what I was talking about.

4) that seemingly knowing nothing about the issue, you then considered her article "great".

In order to assess the validity of any one article, I have always done extensive spadework to find out the realities of the world in total. Not one person's views. I guess, as a journalist, I am expected to.....

To find out the validity of one article and find it great one has to read how many on the same issue exactly?

[Leonor]

Originally posted by jbcjmom
I want my children to contribute to the world and to make a difference in the lives of people who have so much less than we do.

Of course you should live the way you think is right and talk about your beliefs with your children, but you shouldn't want that they live in a certain way. It's their lives, it's them who should decide how to spend their wealth.

I also want that Bill Gates shares my fortune with me, but as I have no power over him, I'm out of luck. Unfortunately parents have a lot of power over their children.

[Leonor]

Originally posted by Just Wondering

I never said she did. I asked the question

Since when has she been the ultimate economic, social and historial intellectual of the world?

This seems to be one of those kind of questions whose porpuse is to make what one says or writes invalid. Does one has to be the ultimate economic, social and historial intellectual of the world to write valid articles?

This makes me remember parents who ask their children "Since when are you a teacher/ doctor/ adult/ person?" to shut them up

In my case, on any given topic, I usually research until the river runs dry from publically accessible sources.

You could have researched for your whole life and still not find the truth on the issue.

[peggy]

Dear k'smami,
I didn't want to silence anyone. I just thought refocusing on something else for a bit would calm things down. I was wrong.
The discussions continue, bickering and all.


peggy

[Jish]

Originally posted by Leonor


Of course you should live the way you think is right and talk about your beliefs with your children, but you shouldn't want that they live in a certain way. It's their lives, it's them who should decide how to spend their wealth.

That's a ludicrous statement IMO. Of course I want certain things for my children. Don't we all want certain things for our children? You simply want different things for your children than do I. TCS parents still want things for their children, their goals and the methods of achievement are simply different. My children get to decide how to donate their money and to what charity, and they (at least the oldest one) are excited that because of them someone will have a better day.

[Jish]

Yea!!!

I've finally figured out how you all quote each other!!!!!!

[peggy]

But you wouldn't do that to us, would you???

peggy

[Ms. Mom]

Beth - I love your ideas on charity! Would you mind starting a post on that? I think we could have a fabulous discussion. Maybe in Parenting Issues? or TAO? Or if you think it fits here - go for it! Just let me know where you post it so I can contribute.

Sorry to but it here - I just thought it was a great idea!

[tinawind]

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Originally posted by Leonor


Of course you should live the way you think is right and talk about your beliefs with your children, but you shouldn't want that they live in a certain way. It's their lives, it's them who should decide how to spend their wealth.
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Originally posted by jbcjmom


That's a ludicrous statement IMO. Of course I want certain things for my children. Don't we all want certain things for our children? You simply want different things for your children than do I. TCS parents still want things for their children, their goals and the methods of achievement are simply different.

Some of the TCS philosophy is about helping children live in the ways that *they* want, even when its not ways that the parent would choose, its one of the things I like about that philosophy - of parents helping their kids do things that are important to the kids, even when its not a choice the parent would make.

I've known so many people (mostly teens & adults, but kids with other issues too) whose parents couldn't maintain support of them because the child practiced a different religion, came out as gay, disclosed abuse by a family member or friend, had strong differing political views, chose to give up all their possessions & live off the land, or chose things like being really into making money.

I think wanting certain things for your child, and wanting to help your child live the way your child wants to live can be more different than a different method of achievement. The way I read it (I apologize if this is a mistaken analogy) is that jcbmom was saying thing like 'one parent wants their child to be Baptist, another wants their child to be Buddist' and leonor was saying something like 'a parent wants their child to practice whatever religion (or none) that the child chooses'

It seems like very different kinds of things to me. I think a parent who is trying to raise a child to be Buddist and a parent who is trying to raise a child to be Baptist have more in common with each other, than either do to a parent who is Buddist or Baptist herself, and shares her religion with her child, but is trying to raise her child to experience religion in whatever form makes sense to the child.


Did that make sense?