Originally Posted by mountain
Some research would show you this is behavioral. This is an opinion, not fact.
Please read about B12 here.
Oh yes, I am quite familiar with Laurie Forti's defensive rantings on vegetarianism. And if you want to eat your own feces to get your b12 requirements, go right ahead. Her writings are generally ill-researched and quick to jump to conclusions. BeyondVeg, on the other hand, is very well researched and all the articles I've seen on their site point to man being omnivorous, and that some humans are better adapted to conserving/recycling b12 than others, but not all. And about using only human feces for b12, Toby Hemenway, who wrote the permaculture book "Gaia's Garden" states:
|Humanure can't be the only source of fertilizer, the Second Law of Thermodynamics dictates that you'll run out of of nutrients. Plus having humans as the only animal designed into the system is its own form of monocrop, and overlooks many other ways to process nutrients. Stripping animals out of our designed ecosystems seems unwise and certainly unnatural.
The life expectancy link just repeats the Seventh Day Adventist study that was done on only one population, and made assumptions that vegetarians live longer than meat eaters. The number that they quoted (7 years) is in conflict with the most recent studies that showed lacto-ovo vegetarians do not have any survival advantages over people who consumed meat occasionally, and only 2 years longer than people who consumed meat regularly. Conclusion made from the researchers: No survival advantage.
Quote from Vegan MD site:
|Yes, the vegetarians in the study lived six years longer than the general population, but so did the meat-eaters! Other than their healthy lifestyles, this group of meat-eaters studied ate more fruits and veggies than your typical meat-eater and less meat. Wondering if that's why they weren't seeing a greater vegetarian advantage, the researchers compared the vegetarians to just those that ate meat regularly. And although there was no survival advantage over those that just ate meat a few times a month, vegetarians did seem to live about two years longer than those who ate meat every week. But just two years longer? We deserve better than that! And the vegans in the study did even worse
These links just repeat the old vegetarian "proof" that vegetarians live longer, based on outdated studies. Did you even look at the links I posted to Vegan Outreach and Vegan MD? The latest studies show no survival advantage. Of course, the vegetarian scientists *think* they know why, and their reasoning is lack of b12 and EFA supplementation (since the veg*ns showed a 50% greater risk of dying from degenerative brain diseases). For me though, I gave up on science taking care of all my veg*n nutritional needs. If they were wrong about veg*n health benefits before, what else could they be wrong about? What other essential nutrient will show up lacking?
Bottom line: if veg*nism is so natural, why aren't any native cultures veg*n? Why take all the time and effort to seek out meat? Why put your life at risk hunting animals when it is much easier to pick leaves and berries? You can't convince me to run after a wild animal and kill it unless it benefits me in some way, not because it just "tastes good". Humans are not that stupid.
Some researchers even believe that meat was essential to the evolution of our species and contributed to our large brain size and highly sophisticated social structure: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...92650?v=glance
And people can also argue that our modern problems with degenerative diseases are not because we are eating meat, but because of the poor quality of our general Western diet. Dr. Loren Cordain, professor at Colorado State University, has been doing extensive, peer-reviewed research on the diet of early hunter/gatherers and shows that meat intake does not contribute to these diseases. You can download his studies here: http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles.htm
So please don't take that snarky tone with me. I believed all that bull pucky about vegetarianism being healthier and more evolutionarily correct for ALL people and my family's health suffered because of it. I repeat again, we are all different, and have different needs. Some people thrive on veg*n diets, some people don't.
And yes, some people do believe that plants deserve as much respect as animals, and they also have every right to live. It is offensive to say the least to be so condescending towards other's beliefs. *sigh*
My apologies to everyone else reading this thread, but I am really offended by what I feel was an attack towards omnivores on a thread specifically asking for omnivorous opinions (the old bait-n-switch). If a moderator feel my post to be out of hand, I will gladly edit it.