Originally Posted by mum2sarah
I feel the above quote by periwinkle is too broad. What I mean by that is what do you mean by "humans?" If some civilization years down the line had to sum up what "humans" ate now, they would say, "well, they were omnivores," but that doesn't mean that *none* of us are vegan
I mean humans. Since the "dawn of time" when we first walked upright. Forget Sally Fallon, just look in any natural history museum in the world to find an evolving variety of spears, arrowheads, clubs, fishing gear, axes specialized for skinning animals... you name it. Another great book on the subject is "Guns, Germs, and Steel", which traces human evolution and civilzation as to when various grains and animals were domesticated. Then look in the Bible or the Koran or any other religious text to find that even several thousand years ago we were eating dairy products, fish, animal products...
and, most importantly, even if you could make the argument that one person ate nothing but grains or tubers or something ....
|Regarding plants: Call me a bad vegan or human-centric, but I do tend to have a greater affinity for living things on a continuum scale based upon how similar they are to me.
This is your opinion. But animal is animal... whether close to you on the human continuum or not, in terms of protein, vitamins, type of fats, etc.. In other words, from a nutritional, not a moral, standpoint, eating yeast, bugs, larva, probiotics and organisims, worms, etc. is pretty much the same thing as eating parts of a cow or a pig. I was just trying to point out that the rise (very recent) in human santiation has caused some problems while solving others, namely, that for the first time in our human experience, you CAN eat fruit and vegetables and legumes and grains without the bugs, larva, etc. that naturally go along with them. My example of the "omnivore-but-grass eating cow" was meant to illustrate that point, i.e., even if 10,000 years ago humans only ate roots and grains (and I think there is ton of evidence that we didn't, but let's suppose we did), do you really think they had a salad spinner, fruit wash, a vegetable brush, microbe-free running water and a colander, not to mention tons of free time to clean them all with fastidiously? Anyone who's even been camping or spent a day on a beach knows you eat a lot of dirt and sand when you're out of the comforts of your sterile world LOL! Much less picking a potato out of the ground... yep, it's gonna be COVERED in dirt (and all the living goodies that go along with it).
I have a vegan SIL who doesn't eat any leavened bread because it contains yeast... doesn't eat cultured products because they contain probiotics... doesn't eat honey because it's an animal byproduct, etc. She won't even swat a mosquito. As a result, she takes tons of supplements each day because she recognizes that it is hard for her to get her vitamins and minerals in an easily digestible format. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with this, as clearly its her choice and one made for primarily moral as opposed to nutritional or taste reasons. But most vegans I know follow very different moral rules from one another... as you mentioned, you'd have problems eating an "animal" but none eating various other insects, larva, yeast, probiotics, etc. (from a moral, not taste standpoint of course!). I think humans have the capacity to make choices based on moral opinions, which is what led people like my SIL to choose a vegan lifestyle. But frankly if she were living in a tribe thousands of years ago, good luck avoiding animal products much less bug/larva/bacteria-filled dirt, etc. In other words, I think our civilization and education and relative affluence (compared to how our distant ancestors lived) allows us access to chosing veganism without sacrificing (necessarily) our health and in fact perhaps fostering it, for example, for those with high cholesterol or a tendency toward obesity.
I was really not trying to say that being a vegan TODAY is something bad, but that there is no evidence that I've read or seen from a variety of sources that this is a nutritional profile that humans **as a whole** have evolved with.