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post #161 of 204
I forgot to reply to Kate

Have you thought about getting her a copy of "The Baby Book" or printing some info off of http://www.ezzo.info for her?

Amy
post #162 of 204
Thanks, Mamajaza, Amy, and Ame -- I really appreciate your feedback. My sil didn't ask for my advice, and honestly I didn't feel "qualified" to give her any since I don't think I'd be taken seriously since I haven't given birth yet, (you know that whole "oh, you'll change your mind once the baby's here" kinda remarks).

I did say "forget about what your friends and 'experts' say about CIO, listen to your intuition. What do YOU think you should do?" and she said "Oh, I think I should let her CIO, it's just hard." That bummed me out, and I didn't continue that conversation further. I'll never forget what she and her dh said to me when they were discussing sleeping arrangements shortly after she found out she was pregnant -- they said "we know people who have their kids sleep in the same bed with them, and they're TODDLERS!" The look of disgust on their face....uuggghhh...I can't forget it.
I will definitely be more open to discussing my ap style of parenting once my baby's here, because I think that will give me more credibility in their eyes.

The whole conversation left a bad taste in my mouth, so I went and meditated for half and hour -- and felt much better. My sil and I have made very different choices in our lives, and our experiences are very different -- I'm sure parenting will be just as different. I also got a message from my baby when I mentioned my fears and he said "Being a parent will be an experience more beautiful than you can even imagine." I choose to believe him!

Thanks again, mamas! (and AmyD, thanks for the link, I'll go check it out!)
post #163 of 204
hmmmmm Kate. There was just a thread over on Parenting issues (I think) where a couple of local news stations did a whole piece on how dangerous ezzo is. There is actually a clip somewhere of the newstory. If you are interested (and want to pursue this), you could always say something like, "I was on my parenting board and someone posted a clip from the news about this guy Ezzo. Have you heard of him? All these babies were getting sick and some even died. I wanted to e-mail you the clip as it was so scary to me", or something like that.

On a personal note, it seems like my baby has dropped. I'm 37w and some change. Isn't that a little early for a 2nd time mom? I looked down and said, "whoa, where did my belly go?" :LOL Any input on that would be appreciated

Thanks
Amy
post #164 of 204
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Originally Posted by Mama2Lennon
My baby is transverse and loves it there!
I'm 30w too and mine spends a lot of time sideways, also head-up, very rarely head-down. I've been told by nearly everyone that position doesn't start getting worrisome until 36w or so, even by mainstream books. There's obviously plenty of room in there still!

I can't really tell by feeling lumps which babyparts are where, though. Not until I get a kick. Too much bellyfat in the way!
post #165 of 204
Kate, Mothering is not that hard...and yet it is the most difficult job you'll ever do. Its not something that can be explained or learned in a book or by anybody else you just got to do it. And remember to forgive yourself...a lot. Unfortunately you will make mistakes, but just try to do better the next time. My favorite quote is "when you know better, you do better" It allows you to forgive yourself when you just don't know but holds you accountable when you do. Its words to live by, especially as you have more than one child. My oldest was born before I knew better, she was fully vax and had she been a boy she would have been circ'd too. I did know enough to breastfeed thankfully and I listened to her and my instincts when she wanted to share our bed. But prior to her birth I was one who would have looked disgusted at the thought of a baby sharing my bed. I learned though and the boys have benefited. But I forgive myself for my mistakes with Haylie because I just truly didn't know better. She did co-sleep though and was breastfed for 2 1/2 years, she was adamant about those needs and I'm glad I listened

We are leaving in a few hours for NY, I'll miss you guys! "See" you next week

Stacey
post #166 of 204
Wise words, Stacey, Thank you. Have a wonderful time in NY.

AmyD -- going to check out that thread now. Thanks again. I hadn't heard of Ezzo before.

All you mamas have been a wonderful source of support for me!
post #167 of 204
Ame, I don't know how you can stand it! If I'd had to sit there and listen to that, my eyes would have been rolling into the back of my head!

Kate, it's never been hard for me like it is for your SIL. But hey, I don't go out of my way to make it hard by creating an adversarial relationship between me and my baby. I'm so sorry, that really is so sad, and I imagine the more AP becomes a reality for you (that is, when you're actually doing it) the more painful it is going to be for you to have to listen to her.

Stacey, I'm just curious, what exactly was it about the thought of co-sleeping that disgusted you?
post #168 of 204

checking in

Hi everyone. I mostly lurk, but I thought I'd pop in today and give an update on me. Today I'm 30 weeks pregnant. I heard my baby's heartbeat for the first time this morning. I have one of those baby listener thingies that just amplifies the sounds from your belly and you listen to it on headphones. I've had it for about a month or so now and up until now, I hadn't been able to find anything. Then, this morning before I was going to get into the shower, I felt around for the hardest part, which was nice and low, put in on, and there it was. Boom-boom-boom-boom-boom, just like a little drum. I know it's a little silly, as I'm perfectly aware that he or she is doing fine because I get kicked all the live long day, but finally hearing that sound was really wonderful. Like a little message from my baby.

Here's the thing and I don't know how silly this is going to sound either, but bear with me. My grandmother passed away on Sunday and today was her funeral. When I got out of the shower, I had this overwhelming sense that it was with her help that I finally got to hear my baby's heartbeat. Like a gift. On the day I say goodbye to her, my baby says hello to me. I know I would have heard it eventually, but it was getting very frustrating to never be able to find it. I'm not a religious or spiritual person, but this is what I was feeling this morning and I'm glad I did. It's also helping me to let go of some of my stress and societal-based, what-if fears. Like she'll be there to help guide this baby in. I'm sorry if it all sounds hokey. I just wanted to share that.

I also wanted to thank everyone who posts on this thread. Even though I don't post very much, I read everything that's written here and it's been tremendously helpful. This is my one internet UC resource that I've stayed with consistently, without any breaks.
post #169 of 204
Stephanie -- that's a beautiful story and I'm so glad you shared it! I'm sure your grandmother definitely DID have something to do with it.
It's nice to see you here -- I remember you from ttc. You should post more often! (I'm only 3 weeks behind you and would love to hear more of your experiences).

Linda -- thanks for your words -- and I'm sure you're right about it getting harder with my sil, not easier. *sigh*

Have a wonderful weekend, ladies.
post #170 of 204
hello all!

my son séan was born on novmber 8th, and i finally finished up writing the birth story a couple of nights ago. you can read it here:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/laf...me/110047.html

it's kinda long. :-)

thank you all for being here and doing what you do!

christina in marietta, ga
post #171 of 204
Wonderful birth story, Lafemmedesfemmes~ Thanks so much for sharing it. It was wonderful to read the story of another first time mama -- I'm inspired by your ordinary miracle.

Missed you ladies!
post #172 of 204
Christina, thank you so much for posting your birth story. I'm also planning a non-event, and I plan for this birth to be just as smooth as yours. "I had some contractions, my body pushed, and the baby was born". Thank you

Update on me, as I stated before the boards went down, my baby dropped, not engaged per se, but dropped. I've also been having BHs every 5 min for almost a week, and have been pooping w/almost every pee break. I should have bought stock in toilet paper :LOL I am enjoying a glass of wine before bed and that is helping me relax and sleep through them. I am also getting pissed at people IRL, so I'm taking that as a good sign as well.

I'm almost done preparing for the birth. I have most of my birth supplies and such and should be getting my rescue remedy and motherwort tincture today. I am finishing my baby's baby gown, and the 2nd bootie, and I still have some slings to sew (which take no time at all). I'm thinking my body is holding on until these things are done. (I'm 38w today).

So that's me, I'm still really enjoying this pregnancy and am still feeling really comfortable except at night before I crash--my body just can't take it anymore. Its amazing what a good diet, activity (chasing my almost 3 yr old), and chiropractor care will do for a person. I almost don't even feel pregnant--no wonder I'm enjoying it so much.

Amy
post #173 of 204
Thread Starter 
lafemmedesfemmes, what a gorgeous story!! Absolutely beautiful. Thanks for writing it down and sharing it.

Now, I don't know if UC births are somehow different, but I remember little of the birth of my daughter. It isn't that I surrendered my birthing process - although I was in a hospital, I didn't go in there expecting them to do the work for me or to save me or anything of the sort - but something about needing to tune out everything that goes on in the environment, does this stop you from remembering? Would I remember it more vividly had I not had to detach myself from my environment like that? As it is, I remember things in bits and pieces - I remember the curly red hair of the very kind and competent nurse who was there at the very end. I remember reading the warning label on the bed during a contraction, pressing my head against the wall and squatting down to push, I remember laughing when I said I needed to throw up and a bed-pan was produced. I remember my daughter's head was out and her cord was wrapped too tightly around her neck to remove, and it was cut, and the doctor told me to push her shoulders out quickly. I remember the feeling of tearing, tearing, it was a third degree tear, it was awful, and surprisingly, I remember the feeling even though I can't remember most other sensations from that birth. Maybe the extreme wrong-ness of it? And I remember most vividly looking down at my daughter, fresh out of me (she had started breathing on her own right away despite the early cord-cutting); I remember the crinkles in her forehead, she stared at me with one eye open, wanting to check me out even though the lights were so bright she had to use only one eye at a time - and all I could say was "oh, oh, oh" like an idiot, totally overwhelmed by my daughter.

I did not write the birth story of my daughter. So these are the things I am left with. It seems....empty. My memories of the birth. A few instants burned in my memory, and then the over-all 'knowledge' of the experience, that I had my contractions and pushed her out and it was over. The 'birth-fuzz' that everyone talks about, that I am still not certain we are supposed to have. I would love to look back and see how I felt, see my memories as they were when they were more vivid. In my son's birth story I wrote of how it felt when I pushed, what I was thinking, how the water felt and sounded and how I did this or that or whatever - and it is a much more 'rich' memory.

Any of this make sense? Sorry for the wordiness (bad habit of mine...). I suppose I am wondering whether my son's birth story is richer in my memory because I 'owned' the birth to a greater extent, or simply because I wrote it down and seized those memories back. Those of you who have had a UC - is the memory rich, or is it still covered in labor-fuzz? I mean, we've all heard that you are 'supposed' to forget labor/birth so that you can do it again, but is this is a load of bunk, invented so that we would believe that the trauma done to us was part of the normal process? Or is it something that legitimately happens, that we forget all but a few especially burned-in memories and the overall 'experience'?

We watched some birth videos with my kids yesterday - the first non-tv ones they've seen (so the first where there wasn't blocking out of the important parts). They were so excited. And now they ask all the time if I'm going to have the baby now. When I'm on the toilet (there was one birth that happened mostly on a toilet), and last night I was in the bath and they came running in, clamoring, and I had to dissappoint them (no, no baby tonight, just washing). I wish I could just look at birth with the simplicity they see it - mommy's body will tell her it is time to have the baby, mommy will call them, the baby will come out, mommy will hug the baby and we'll meet him/her. For them, that is all there is to it. They look forward to it with an excitement I could not have anticipated (they have been ready now for months, they are so eager, so worried about missing the event).
post #174 of 204
That is a wonderful birth story. Thank you for sharing. It is amazing how vulnerable birth makes us and then how strong we become when we realize this vulnerability.

I am just learning about UC and your story really shows how much birth is about listening to the inner workings of your body and mind.
post #175 of 204
Ugh! your sil really i smaking it harder than it should be. She needs to open up and listen to her daughter If se isn't listening now when will she listen?

Being a mom is hard yes but there is no need to make it harder than it needs to be.

What are you doing the second week of Dec? i am meeting with saras on the 10th if you would like to get together. Then you will know a UC mama irl :-)

Quote:
Originally Posted by KateSt.
Amy -- Yea, soda wouldn't affect the test (I CAN'T believe that!)

Ame -- yes, stay far, far away from that mw! Fingers crossed that the storm works it's magic on you!

Mamajaza -- that woman was very lucky to hear your story first hand. I often wish I knew another UC mama IRL so I could have some positive reinforcement.

Speaking of positive reinforcement, I need some now. I just got off the phone with my SIL who has a 3 week old baby girl. The conversation just made me so sad...because she claims her daughter is "manipulating" her when it comes to naptime and bedtime. She cries whenever she's put in her crib, and then stops as soon as mama picks her up, or rubs her back. She says they're "fighting" about schedules right now. She's also weaning her from the breast already and giving her formula. Obviously she's not an AP mama (not that I care for labels, but you know what I mean) and she's making it sound like such a struggle to be a mom. Of course, she says "it's all worth it" but it's mostly an afterthought.

So, here I am thinking the struggle is coming because she's not "listening" to her daughter. What if she kept her on the breast, kept her in her room with dh, wore her around in a sling, and didn't let her cry it out -- wouldn't that make it better?

That's what I'm telling myself, but what the hell do I know 'cause I've never been there! It's just...if I took her words to heart, I wouldn't necessarily look forward to being a mama. But, if I took her words to heart about birth (she had a "failed" inducement and a C-section) I wouldn't be having a uc either.

I just need some validation -- it DOESN'T have to be THAT hard, right?????
post #176 of 204
Christina that was a great story! Go Dustin :-) Congrats on baby sean!
post #177 of 204
I don't know if any of you read Chaity's UC site-- she is a really amazing mom who has birthed (now) ten babies. She ended up transporting last week during the 10th baby's birth. They sounded secure in their decision to transport and both mom and baby are ok.
post #178 of 204
I love this community.
I just wanted to say to Nikirj (and, really, all) that this is so important. I think you have reached something very, very deep and true. There is so much here that you all "get". And I realize there is so much I have to learn. Thank you for all of it.

Yours,
Lesley
post #179 of 204
lafemmesdesfemmes~ I loved your story. Wonderful!
post #180 of 204
Christina, I loved your story. You are an amazing writer.

nak, or I would write more...
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