Ummnuh - thank you very much for your very reasoned and eloquent description of your personal experiences. You have given me more to think about.
I say the thread should go on as long as people want to join in the conversation. And perhaps Amy will come back soon, surprised at the "twists and turns" this thread has taken....
NM and Moonie I don't think that it was fair to describe people's responses as "arrogant". And, NM, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "reality check" Do you think your the only one living in reality?
I just reread every post and I saw no arrogance...
-Chanley spoke of her firsthand experiences in the South not being a "Christian" of the same caliber as her neighbors and how difficult that is for her. She also spoke of "very real" feelings she had when she the read the post that happened to be about your mom.
-3boys posted actual quotes from an Islamic website regarding missionaries in Malaysia (perhaps you don't want to hear what those on the "receiving end" want to say but I do)and then spoke of her own experience and that of her BIL.
-USAmma - gave the quotes from her great-grandmothers journal about her main purpose being a missionary was "to spread the word of Jesus Christ to the savages." She then spoke of how for her, the very notion of trying to convert people is wrong.
NM, you then go on about the Muslims in America and how they live among us but don't embrace our main religion(s). Umm, what does this mean? I would say Islam is a "main' religion. I won't go on, as Ummnuh pointed this out clearer than I can.. Then you say that many religions andcultures are "dark and dangerous", a statement you had to know was sure to raise the ire of many posters here.
-Chanley then pops back in to say that she find the above statement about "dark and dangerous cultures and religions" as besides the point. She goes on to describe abuses which occur right here under our noses by the very same people who would proclaim other religions dark and dangerous (I am talking about Christians who beat their children, not you NM)
I then jumped in with a very real
concern that I have had about missionary movements in Latin America and how they may be undermining social justice work that was happening there.
Then we were all basically questioned by moonie as to whether we were doing something in our communities, as if that is some kind of litmus test for whether we are allowed to have an opinion about the subject. Our posts were then called "arrogant" and, let's see here, "sanctimonious crap".
NM, you then jump back in, agree with moonie about the arrogance and then tell me you don't "give a rip" about what I read and therefore, by definition, what I wrote.
I will also point out that most posters clarified that they know that many people do have the best intentions:
Usamma "I know there are some truly sincere people who want to help others first."
3boys "Perhaps the org. that your mom belongs to does not encourage conversion but there are planty of others."
Chanley " Missionaries have done good work, one of my favorite movies is The Mission, in which the protagonists are trying to save the Indians from becoming slaves through converting them."
And I pointed out that I know many wonderful Catholic missionaries doing fabulous work in respect to lifting people out of poverty.
And so, while this certainly was no "love fest" for the missionary movement, I think NM's assertion of arrogance and Moonies statement re: sanctimonious crap were uncalled for. It is one thing to "defend" something, but frankly, you need to actually be listening
to what the other person is saying to do it. People were telling their own "very real" experiences with this issue and you both responded to us like people were making things up, not speaking from experience and/or just trying to give missionaries a "bad name".
NM, You made this statement early on
|I respect your opinions on this topic even if they are basically negative, as some Christians have put a bad name out, in the name of God.
Do you really?