Dental woes and bleeding breasts! Help/prayers

[e.Rishavy]

I'm at a loss - since moving to Florida two years ago manywonderful and horrible events have come to pass. We had the conseption and birth of our second child, moving into a our first house . . . but with laughter must come tears - the horrendous weaning of our first ds; thrush; ductal yeast; and tooth decay in our then 12 month old son.

The dentists here suck! they are so "afraid" of malpractice suits (or rather thier screw ups that cause malpractice linsurance premiums to rise) that they don't give any sufficient care here!!!!

i'm sorry - i'm sobbing as i type - our now nearly 18month old baby has both upper lateral incisers decayed to the gumline and the two front teeth (the name escapes me now) are riddled with cavaties. - i had taken him in at 12mo when i8 first detected it but was told all i could do was brush his teeth and that would stop the decay - but there was nothing at his age we could do - a lie but i am thankful partially that the recommendations were hidden from me -

turns out we could have saved his teeth but all doctors would have done IV sedation at his age - we're faced with sedation now too - i'm scared 1 in 250,000 children DIE after dental operations/proceedures requiring sedation according to a couple of web sites i found through a search about infant mortality in/after pediodantic surgery!!!! mainly it's from complications with undiagnosed (until postmortum analysis) diseases/illness.

but- i can't hold out much longer - i've tried to do as much research about the drugs the proceedures and what else i could do - but i risk loosing him to an abscess if i do nothing and i risk lossing him in /after surgery.

i'm so stressed!!!!!!!!!! : his teeth are jagged and he clamps down at night - i've got so many gashes in my nipples i wince at the thought of something touching them - i've been doing lanshoa and trying to wean - but i don't want to wean - i want to comfort him throught this - but it hurts to wear a shirt -i want one of our children to not be weaned abruptly and painfully

our first had fallen down 15 concrete step outside of our apartment on my birthday almost two years ago - i was pregnant and going dry anyway - but he starteds nursing every 10 minutes - it was something i couldn't take mentally or physically anymore! I ended up weaning him cold turkey march16th - for months all he could do was cry - all day and begging "mommy i want to go home" that was his way of asking me to go back to nursing again - i don't want my heart to hurt that much again - knowing i was the culprit of the pain

anyway - it's been a year or more since i've posted but i'm at wits end and i'm just needing anythhing from a shoulder to help with info on your experiences with tooth extraction and root canals w/caps on an 18mo old.

thanks for the time and the prayers or positive energy you can offer us. lizzie

[fourgrtkidos]

If you want to know where I would start email me. OK? I am in Melbourne just 45 minutes away and there are some good dentists and a very good doctor in Orlando and a great Homeopath in Melbourne. I think I can get the names to you. Chin up!

[alegna]

lizzie,

You might PM Smilemomma, she's a dentist and in FL, (though I don't know where) and rumored to be gentle and great with kiddos.

-Angela

[kavamamakava]

Oh gosh You sound so overwhelmed My son has had 8 cavities filled and all of them developed within the 6 months after he night weaned. Ugh. I suspect that there were spots of preliminary decay before that, but the dentist never caught it at his first cleaning. From my research I have learned something though. Yeast overrun in the body can contribute to tooth decay. So there's a start. Are you taking grapefruit seed extract? Are you interested in doing a yeast elimination diet?
I used to live in Hawaii and I was tandem nursing and living in a cedar cabin in the rainforest (what dimwit built a dark dank cabin in the rainforest??) and I constantly battled thrush and cracked, bleeding nipples and sore diaper bums from the yeast. So I'm very zeroed in on any info I can find out about it. What stopped the yeast in its tracks was finally figuring out the right daily dosage of grapefruit seed extract for myself AFTER I knocked it out with diflucan. I also began using a vinegar rinse in my laundry to minimize contact/reinfection. Eating lots of garlic also helps keep yeast at bay.

[e.Rishavy]

thanks so much for the comfort -
kavamamakava: I've done the yeast elimination but just recently started breads and mushrooms again - my teeth couldn't take kavli cracker sandwhiches anymore- there are tons of meals i could prepare if i let my sons cry at my heals for the hour and a half it takes me to cook three meals - one for dh; one for both ds; one for me while washing our pans between the different meals - so i don't contaminate my food. it had been doing GSE too but for a whole year and i've thought about the long term effects of so much acid in my sensitive system (i'm 26) and over the course of my treating this yeast insanity (since my birth i've had systemic yeast problems and apparently so have all my female ancestors) i'm sure ulcers are in the very near future. - but thatk you for the info on the tooth/yeast connection - i didn't know

alegna: I had no idea smilemomma is a DDS here! Thanks

fourgrtkidos: I've been trying to find something east or west - we've gone all the way to Tampa (long drive - but we got to go to clearwater afterwards - great treat for everyone - our fav. beach) couldn't get personal or insurance refernces to DDS's that would work with this situation.

And an update: we wnet to a Dr. Mark in Maitland (northern Orlando) today - they got a little freaked out that I had so much information about sedatives that the dentist went as far as to swear (used the word crap) with our 4 year old in the room and I quote: 'well there is as much crap on the internet as there is good stuff...and there is a thing called too much "information" and ignorance is bliss . . . ' At first I didn't take offence but my husband did as he is 43 he picks up on people doing things like that we're am usually more trusting of someones geniune care for others -

Anyway I have another appointment at a different office tomorrow - I'm not to thrilled about driving by myself but Jack has to work - you see I normally sit in the back seat and pracite yoga while nursing ds#2 in the car seat : it's going to be 1.5hr drive too on toll roads -

I was still at wits ends today and balling inside but begged God for some reprive from the anguish - and we found a great park after the dental consult and had a great picnic

Thanks and I'll try and keep my mind free of tears and worry - Love is what accomplishes everything - Lizzie

[Mamm2]

I am not sure if this link would help. My sister has the silver fillings and will be taking them out. I found this link of dentists, maybe they are little more alternative http://www.ibdental.net/

[malamamama]

Hi Mama,
My dd had the same exact decay going on when she was your ds's age. I went thru the same ordeal as you in regards to finding a dentist who would even look at her, treat her, and consider something besides GA.
She had her 4 front teeth capped. The incisors were almost gone. Five months after the capping, two teeth absessed and we had them extracted. Now at 4 years old, she has two fake teeth and two capped teeth.
I didn't learn what I really needed to know until after the extractions. That's when I discovered the Dental Forum and Smilemomma.

I feel you....
Go see Smilemomma!!!!!

At 26 months, dd had her teeth capped with an oral sedative and the papoose. In retrospect, I would have not used the papoose board, but at the time, it was a desperate situation and this was our option with the dentist. It was traumatizing, but it did not create a fear for life. She is now ok going to the dentist now. You can read some of my posts for our experience.

Brushing with flouride can slow the decay and brushing as often as possible is super important.

Hang in there Mama. It will be alright....

[e.Rishavy]

Hopefully tomorrow morning we'll have some better news about treatment for ds#2! We're driving to tampa again to a different dentist who would only use lidacaine/novicaine on a child his age

while some are reluctant to just pull a tooth while he's a little freaked out - I'm not. I'd rather his life be far from harms way(sedation). He'll barely remember the experience in a few months.

wish us luck.
liz