I cant take it anymore!

[crayon]

Okay- so I go over to my firends house last night and she just circed her DS 3 weeks ago And her siter is there, and her sister says "so if you have a boy you will not circ him?" I was like "HELL NO" and she ask why- so I tell her all the reasons, and she say "but he will not remember the pain" I pointed out she doesnt remember the pain of breaking her arm but it still hurt, that babies dont understand pain ends, that they do this with out meds during and after the circ, that is unneeded, that babies dont cry because they are in shock... you know the whole 10 yards of my knowlage... so then she says

"it looks like an elephant!"

Okay- I am done, I cant take it... I mean really.... Where is the wall, I want to just bash my head it in!

Then she goes on to say that she could never breastfeed because she just cant imagine her child ever knowing that it sucked on her boob---- She then says she will bottlefeed and circ her son.

And then my friend has the nerve to ask me why her sons head (gland) is purple... Because it is not getting any blood and it is brused! Hello..... How do people feel it is okay to cut off more than 50% of their sons sexual feeling? Why with all the risk would anyone ever ever ever do this??


Okay I will still preach to save a penis, but I dont think I can take the unreal level of stupidity, and sickness somepeople feel. I mean " because it is cuter" what the hell, and then my friend tells me "My son has a nice head" Well, I am sure glad you feel so strongly about it now, why dont you talk to him when he CANT GET IT UP!

Okay stepping down

[mattemma04]

Yea, I've heard those too...elephant nose,doggie dick,and so on. Whatever!

People will say anything to make themselves feel better about cutting up their childs genitals.It is no better than a bunch of kids teasing another for any lame thing.

Frank had mentioned in another post about the glans color having various shades,and I am pretty sure purple is in the norm.

To bad you couldn't have said something like," Actually that color is within the normal range. What isn't normal is the glans being externalized and not having its protective covering anymore. But don't worry in time it'll be dried out and pink like you wanted! To bad your son couldn't decide for himself if he wanted a penis with so many missing parts."

[Pigpen]

Originally Posted by crayon

why dont you talk to him when he CANT GET IT UP!

Okay stepping down

First of all, how totally infuriating! I've had similar conversations with people who stammer to justify circumcision. I just really believe that very soon, like when our children are having children, circ will NOT be the norm. I think we'll all be saying to our grandchildren "you won't believe how common it was, and most people would do it for cosmetic reasons!" And they'll be aghast! :LOL
Second, by your post I get the impression that you believe circ has something to do with impotence? Is this true? I wouldn't be at all surprised, but I hadn't heard the connection before.

[crayon]

Second, by your post I get the impression that you believe circ has something to do with impotence? Is this true? I wouldn't be at all surprised, but I hadn't heard the connection before.

Well, I dont know of any studies however, I do know that the countires that have the highest numbers of drugs for ED, like viagra and so on, are countires that circ- and within populations of circed men. The jewish, the muslim and so on. Also America is at the top of the list, because the majority of american men are circed. If you look at where the drugs are sent and who takes them it is pretty clear that a leading cause if circing, however, I am sure big dollars are spent to keep those studies at bay- I mean think of the money Rx companies would loose if it came out and the US put a stop to regular circing, in 20-40 years the problem would be very rare, right now they have a kind of blanket security in knowing that so many babies will be circed and thus need of drugs when they are older. So sad.....

[crayon]

mattemma04 - I will say that, I talk to her everyday and we talk often about her circing- and how mad I am at it. She always says "he didnt cry, it didnt hurt him" I say "he didnt cry because he was in shock, let me cut your clit out and see if it hurts you or not!"

[DesireeH]

Oh that makes me agravated too.

My brothers (18 and 22/both circ'd) tell my son he has a "turtleneck." I made them watch the online circ video to see what it involves and said "so when you have kids, thats what you would do to them?" and they said "that is sick!" Well really now, then quit making fun of your PERFECT nephew!

Here is a website link I like to give people that have issue with "looks" of the intact. http://www.naturalmanphotos.com/galleries.html

[starlite]

WOW!

All the mum's in our mother's group justify circ. as wanting the son to "be like daddy" - and a hell of a lot of dad's are circed. My hubby is circed, so how come I didn't get my son done?

My answer:

If it's that important for him to have it removed he can make that decision for himself and suffer the consequences of it with only himself to blame.

I've heard horror stories of botched circumsicions that result in deformity to the genital - would a bloke EVA forgive his mum if it were his pride and joy they stuffed?

There was absoloutely no reason to circumsize him ... so why would I want to?
Yes, I'm religious but even they bible says that without sexual morality circumsicion avails nothing. It would be more religiosly profound for ds to decide for himself whether God really wants him to do that to himself or not. A bit the same as baptism ... I mean an innocent baby is loved by God no matter whether or not it's parent's christened or baptised them! I would like my child to willingly participate in their own baptism when they were old enough to understand the decision and commitment to God they are making by doing so. So circumsicion and baptism are in my sons hands - and he can have them if he wants them.

If he ever wanted his foreskin back though, I'm affraid I couldn't give him what he wants!

Yes, I don't like circumcision and would be upset if I lost my vulva to this belief that this is the right thing to do, that it was cleaner - even. I'll keep my bits and wash them properly - would you rip your teeth out if it was cleaner? It's pointless in our day and age, and those that have it done do so against the wishes of many doctor's!!!

Besides ... all the blokes I know that have foreskins LOVE them! They say that it increases their sensitivity as the 'head' is protected most of the time and does not get used to being touched by clothes etc. so when it does come out to play it feels the sensations more vividly. Does that make sense (giggle) it's hard for a women to describe something she knows little about first hand! :LOL

[Frankly Speaking]

Originally Posted by Pigpen

Second, by your post I get the impression that you believe circ has something to do with impotence? Is this true? I wouldn't be at all surprised, but I hadn't heard the connection before.

There have been several studies that show there may be a connection between infant circumcision and adult impotence. However, a conclusive connection is difficult to make because of the time distance between the two events and other complicating factors. However, a very direct connection between adult circumcision and impotence has been made and many, if not most, men circumcised as adults will testify to the sexual damage and some suffer impotence within just a few years of their circumcisions and are quite convinced that circumcision was the cause.

There may be no direct and proveable connection between infant circumcision and adult impotence but remember that gravity is also just a theory and can not be proven. What are you doing to avoid just floating away?




Frank

[earthmama007]

I have never heard of uncircumcised men having potency problems.

[calngavinsmom]

[QUOTE=crayon]
"it looks like an elephant!"

I think elephants are cute! So are anteaters IMO(which is what my bil called my son's intact member) :

I feel your frustration though, dealing with ignorance is never bliss is it?

I have no idea why there isn't a test you have to write to be able to have children. You need one to drive a car, adopt a dog, pass in school, but the most improtant lot in life is open to any Tom Dick or Harry(or Harriet). IMO, the world would be a better place if the thing were better in the home.

Childern and society for that matter deserves it.

Tara

[Mommiska]

Crayon - if someone ever feels the need to comment negatively on an intact penis again in your hearing, I think it kind of opens up the subject of appearances.

This isn't something I would say under normal circumstances. BUT - if someone told me disparagingly that my son's penis looked like an elephant truck or a dog's **** or whatever, I would probably say something along the lines of,

'Well - my son's penis looks exactly the way it is intended to look, because I didn't cut it when he was born. However, if we're going to discuss the appearance of a child's genitals, it's worth noting that your son's circumcised penis looks like it is permanently sexually aroused. Which, I'm fairly certain, is NOT what a baby's penis is supposed to look like.'

Harsh, but if people want to seriously stand around commenting on what a baby's genitals look like (how sick is that anyway?), then they shouldn't be surprised if you point out the obvious and tell them what their child's genitals look like (wouldn't say this within earshot of a child who could understand, obviously)...

[earthmama007]

Or that the cut penis looks purple because of lack of blood flow. It makes me cringe to see a little baby without his skin, so raw and tough.