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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Posted an almost identical post in TAO as a vent, but I'm thinking maybe I need advice after all. Short question--I have a toddler (20 months), I just spent 3 days w/ my sister & BIL, who don't have children and have a nice house, and it didn't go so well. We don't have a lot of rules in our house--I don't want my relationship w/ dd to be constantly adversarial, so we just remove most temptations from her so that we don't have to keep saying no. But this makes for a very difficult transition when we spend time (more than a few hours) w/ people who have lots of nice stuff & no children--and don't toddler-proof b/f we come--I feel like I spend the whole time saying No, w/ the result that we all get really frustrated. How do you manage the transition?

The long story:

Before dd arrived sis (who I'll just call A) & I talked weekly, often more. We were pretty close--she even dropped everything when dd was born (and I'd had a c/s), cashed in freq flier miles, and came to our house for 5 days & cooked for us. She lives in DC, we're in Wisc. Things were mostly okay until a visit there in May (the first time I'd been to her place since baby arrived) which didn't go particularly well--we got there Fri. and I had to go to a conference on Sat, so dh stayed w/ dd during the days at a strange house in a strange neighborhood, dd was 14 months & very clingy, and A & her dh had just moved & had a house full of boxes & bins--in general it was bad timing on a number of fronts. Also, we were supposed to spend part of the week w/ dh's aunt, but then she had a number of crises & at the last minute couldn't take us after all, so we ended up spending 9 days w/ my sister, which is too long to spend at anyone's house (except maybe my parents'). Then post-visit A & I had a conversation about BF, which you can look at in more detail here...http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=157764

Things were recovering fairly well by fall, although it's still not the same, and then came T-day. My parents were going to be at A's house, along w/ my brother, SIL, niece & nephew, but dh & I were planning to stay home. And then came the election, then I didn't get a really good job I wanted, and I was feeling down & wanted to see my family, esp. since I haven't seen my brother since August 03 & wanted them to see dd before she starts school. So I asked sis if she'd have room for us, too, and she figured out that she did. So dd & I flew in on Tues, out on Fri., and slept on a pull-out couch.

And now I'm thinking that if there's reason for us to go back there anytime soon, we'll stay w/ some college friends who live nearby & have a new ds of their own, and rent a car. My BIL has a grown daughter, and in many ways is great w/ kids (in small doses), but doesn't want any more. They have a very nice house, w/ some nice rugs, good furniture, antiques, etc. And going there I feel like it's always "Spotlight on Erika!" Don't put a glass down w/o a coaster. Don't eat breakfast in the l.r., even if it means that that's how I can keep an eye on dd when she's in there watching Sesame Street in the morning. Keep dd away from the TV remotes, pottery, vcrs, mixing bowls that are on open shelves in the kitchen, etc. BIL has a real temper, which he manages to keep in check fairly well, but I do feel like he bites his tongue a lot--and lets you know when he's biting it, which kind of misses the point of being tactful, KWIM?

I talked to dh when we got back, and his theory (which I don't disagree w/ at all) is that we're both youngest children (she's 7 yrs older than me), so already feel somewhat under scrutiny from our older sibs--and to the older sib, we'll always be the baby. On top of that, we make about $50k/yr, she & her dh make about $200K I think (and have lots of antiques they inherited from his mother). And of course they don't have children, so are able to have a nice neat house, and they like it that way.

And I really do try to be respectful of that. But I feel like they don't try to toddler-proof at all, and that visiting them is totally on their terms. It's SO hard to keep an eye on a toddler, get her bkfst, get myself bkfst, and not have *something* go wrong.

They got really annoyed w/ me b/c I borrowed her car Wed & then we had a hard time finding the keys b/f I left. Turns out (I finally was able to reconstruct the episode) that when we got home on Wed, dd started having a temper tantrum & stalked off to the driveway & was walking around in circles saying No No No NO, and threatening to walk down the driveway (in the pouring rain) to the street. So I of course was dealing w/ her, and ended up putting the keys down on top of the car--which is where I always put them on my car--and heading off to deal w/ her. My mom had gotten all the bags from the car, so I ended up not going back, and since they leave their cars in a locked garage I didn't need to lock the car or use the keys to get into the house, so I totally forgot about them.

Yes, I'm generally more careless in many ways than she is, and I'm not a great housekeeper, but it's really hard to keep multiple things going in your head at once!

Blah, sorry so long-winded, and thanks if you've stuck w/ it to the end...
post #2 of 16
Sorry you had a lousy visit.

If it were me, next time I'd stay someplace else or spring for a hotel room. I don't expect people to rearrange their homes for my visits, and I respect that some people have nice stuff and want to keep it that way. I used to like having my house look nice myself before we had kids. :LOL

When you visit somebody else's house, it is on their terms. While it would be polite for them to try to make the house temporarily more comfortable for you and your child, it doesn't appear that's their style. They might be amenable to moving a few priceless knicknacks, but it seems from your post like it would take more substantive changes to have made the visit OK. It doesn't sound like you have the kind of easy give and take with your sister where you could make requests like that and not tick her off. So, I think in the name of harmony, I'd just head to the Motel 6.
post #3 of 16
I agree, I just wouldn't stay there. They should be a bit more understanding, but they shouldn't have to rearrange their life to accomadate a toddler. If you're only there for a few hours and can retreat to your own space (hotel) that will be much less stress for everyone involved.

I've visited friends that don't have kids and if my kids keep going for stuff, I take it upon myself to put the stuff up high. These friends make easily 3x our salary and I can't afford to replace stuff that might get broken (though I doubt they'd expect me to). They do now have a small daughter (8mos) so soon I'll be able to bring my kids over more often as they will be doing babyproofing soon if they haven't started already. They're pretty laidback and aren't totally worried if something happens, but I dont' want to ruin their stuff.
post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
Well, we used to have an easy give & take, but the other thing that's changed is that she got married a few years ago, and so the relationship we'd had all our adult lives shifted b/c of that (as these things will--when she got married she was 40 & I was 34.). And I think I've decided that I like her dh on neutral territory, but he's very particular about his own space, so it's hard to feel at ease when visiting them. I think she feels somewhat caught in the middle, too--trying to be hostess, but also trying to be attuned to her dh's moods.

Anyway, the easy give & take has really evaporated.

The other twist on this is that dh & I thought we'd make them our dd's guardians in the will, but now are realizing that we don't want to--I'd rather ask some close friends who have similar styles to ours and I think know what we would want. BIL has a temper, and I'm not sure that he's opposed to spanking--I know his parents used corporal punishment on him, and I think he feels like he deserved it. DH & I *don't* yell, and if anything happened to us I really don't want dd exposed to that sort of a temper on a regular basis. Not when we're really trying to be respectful, gentle guiders.

I think part of my frustration is that I wasn't expecting our relationship to change this way and this much, and I'm trying to adapt to it. But when you're 1000 miles apart it's tough, KWIM?

But hopefully further visits will be a little easier, b/c we'll have some idea of what to expect.
post #5 of 16
I can't imagine staying somewhere that wasn't baby/toddler/child proofed for more than a few hours. It is sooo challenging to keep dd out of things and content sometimes. I wouldn't expect someone to change their homes/lifestyles because we came to visit, but I can understand the frustration. I agree with pp that perhaps staying at a hotel would be a better option. Although, there isn't much to keep a little one entertained there either.

It's a tough spot to be in. We live far from family, and can't visit much. When we do, we are fortunate enough to stay with family that is fine with a little baby proofing. Those that don't have come to understand they will see very little of us if dd is extra busy that day.

It's easier for them to come see us. It's a short phase in the scheme of things though...right??
post #6 of 16
I understand the frustration - we used to be invited to dinners/parties at my Dh aunt and Uncle's house - no more, since the kiddo always comes along and does things like breastfeed without being hidden - the horror, the shame!! (At their son's engagement party I took a then 5 month Ella to the basement to nurse (out of courtesy to them and to have someplace quiet) and they kept walking by the stairs and turning out the light on me. A little thing, but I thought I was being courteous to them, cause they would have had a coniption about NIP. Funny thing is they now have a 11 month breastfed grandson who co-sleeps...I think we may be rubbing off on people.) I really don't mind about the lack of invites, 'cause it's a pain to have to hover over dd the whole time we are there, but I think it is rude of them to invite my IL's to dinner in front of us when they know we are staying with them.
I see a common thread that this most often occurs in houses of people with lots of money, and I understand that people have worked hard for nice things and want them to stay that way. However, I think if it were close family they might be a bit more understanding. My IL's are great about childproofing dangerous things and putting up things that they don't want broken. My parents' house is a bit more dangerous (though they have some cabinet locks for my niece) and it bugs me to hear my mom say "no, no, no" to the kiddos all the time.
post #7 of 16
Ugh, I can totally sympathize. Visiting my mil is like that. Nice house, lots of nice things, nice breakable thing, no childproofing, add in ciggarettes, lighters, and ashtrays, all right at the level of curious little fingers. Fortunately she is in driving distance, so we rarely stay more than a few hours. We visited for Thanksgiving and I spent the entire six hours we were there chasing around after 15 mo old dd and prying dangerous items out of her hands. She also uses the word no a lot. I don't know, it is her right not to childproof her home, but then again, it is also my right not to bring my dd over.
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
Ewww...cigarettes and ash trays! I hadn't thought of that particular wrinkle.

I'm now thankful that no one in my family smokes...
post #9 of 16

wow that must have been some

conversation
I can't get the link to work
after a time I got tired of this with my mother;s family esp since the other grandkids were allowed to do stuff so we began staying home and were a lot happier for it

example
I asked if we could put the cat food and water up while we there when the boys were learning to crawl/walk and told "they just have to learn what no means" yes they do never disagreed with that but the faaamily wanted me doing other stuff too so not enough eyes
the other two grandsons when they came and played with the water and food it was 'oh isn't that cute"

Unless you feel it is worth it to stay in a hotel/motel now on it sounds like with the way you say the relationship has evolved you aren't missing much by staying home ...after that is where dd and dh are !!
post #10 of 16
Why don't you ask your sister to come out and see you sometime? May be she could swing it when her DH (dreaded husband) is busy with something else. Sounds like they could afford the ticket

If you have to go back there, stay with some one else or a hotel. They are clueless.
post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
Fixed the link--not sure what happened there...
post #12 of 16

ahh

read it

Still say the hotel or no go but then that is just me

I won't go see my side of the family but will go to the IL's
I have the coolest even if they think we are a bit 'out there" lol
and my SIL is worth 8 times her weight in gold ...
post #13 of 16
Well, we have the problem more with visiting family that are just obsessively clean. You feel like their eyes bug out if you drop a crumb or step on their carpet. Going a little too far if you ask me.

Talk to them before you visit. Ask them if they'd be willing to let you child proof one room for your visit- offer to bring your safety gate, outlet covers, etc. Take toys/books for your child to play with in the safe room. Have your child eat in a designated area like the kitchen at the table instead of in front of the tv.

I personally just would make other arrangements instead of staying with them from now though since your lifestyles do not mesh even as adults now. I predict if you stay with them again even more resentment on both sides will build. A few hours you can probably handle but 24 hour surveilance of a very young child or walking on eggshells over crumbs or keys is too stressful on everyone. Better yet I'd just opt for neutral settings where everyone can be comfortable and have a nice visit.
post #14 of 16
I'm afraid I'm a little less understanding than pps, but I don't know if that's a good thing.

I DO expect the people who are close to me to rearrange their homes when I go to visit. If they really want my company they have to realize that I am part of a "package deal" now...where I go dd goes. There is an expectation on my part that friends/family will prepare for my visit by removing overly dangerous, expensive things and not smoking in the house etc. I did the same thing for friends and neighbours before I had dd.

It's like having a friend over for dinner who has a special diet...you don't HAVE to make them a special meal, but you DO IT ANYWAY because you love them.



Have I mentioned that I don't get invited out very often anymore...

The people who don't know how to accomodate me don't get many visits these days. I hate following dd around like she's a puppy saying no constantly.

The only practical suggestion I have (since being as cranky as me won't help the relationship with your sister) is to mention your concerns the next time you're thinking of visiting. You could even frame it like "We might just stay at ___'s house. Your place is so beautiful that I spend the whole time worrying that DC is going to wreck something" It is possible that she just doesn't notice how stressful the visit is for you.

Good luck
Jess
post #15 of 16
We went to my grandmother's over the holidays and it was not baby-proofed at all. I was surprised because my cousins live in the area and have toddlers of their own. I just moved things to higher ground that I thought might be a problem, whether ds had noticed them yet or not. I simply explained that we find it much easier to remove temptation before it is discovered than to say no, no, no all the time. I just informed them, I didn't ask. I think people appreciate your valuing their stuff enough to ensure that it doesn't get broken. I simply refuse to be a nervous wreck the whole time I'm at someone else's house. I should add that ds was very well-behaved and didn't get into any trouble...and everyone was really impressed. Hmmmm....
post #16 of 16
I don't child proof....never had, never will and in the past 22 years ( since I moved out the first time) I hhave never had a kid hurt, or THings broken because of a kid...at my parents house I did but that another rant.
If I have a kid over (and I babysit ALOT over nights and) all I tend to interact with the kids more than the adult...my friends call it "art camp at aunt andi's" . TV is off limits...I hate things like pokemon and Barney and I want to learn about the kids just like I would "learn" about an adult friend...Videos are a rarity but I choose them..again to avoid things like pokemon and barney....THere is a no cupboards rule..no jumping/walking/running on furniture rule/ my craft stuff is off limits as are the alters,microscope, musical instruments and depression glass...I am sure you are wondering what I do let the kids do...well drop cloths are wonderuous things...under the table they go and we paint, make cut out cookies, decorate them..with frosting and all, lace, make other crafts, read, wrestle, go to playgrounds, go to the beach, play legos, play with playdough ( homemade!) let the kids play in water ( sink or bathtub), go for walks and go to the library, toss water baloons in the summer, use the chalkboard...I have made blocks out of boxes and we play withthose, have pillow fights, and basically make memorires....No, I don't let them eat in the living room ( dining room OK...living room no) or break any house rule, but I make the experiance fun enough that I really have very little problems...I am a stickler for the "My house ; my rules thing" ( because of the adults more than the kids.) but I also have very little cause to "enforce" the rules...after all who wants to be in a time out when there's so much fun going on?
I do have week-end long Overnights, and sometimes I have kids for two weeks at a time,and yes it's hard to keep them out of things for that long...if they absolutly have to see something, I hold it and let them look, but not touch, glass is not a toddler thing,you know?
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