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post #81 of 86
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Originally Posted by Dar
Maybe it's because I try really hard not to characterize her as lazy when she doesn't want to do something, or to characterize doing things for her as coddling.
IOW, you rock and I suck.

No offense, but the dynamics in a family of two are much different than in a family of four. Been there, done that. It's easy to be "thoughtful" of one other person. It's different when there are three other people to be thoughtful of. I won't feel obligated to remember everything for everybody. The children aren't babies anymore.

There are times when people are forgetful. There are times when people are reluctant to do what others suggest. And there are times when people are lazy. Children are no exception; they're people, too, and I can tell the difference between forgetfulness and laziness in my children. If my kids know (in advance) that we're going to go on a long car ride or be gone for a couple of hours and can't be bothered to grab a bottle of water even though they've been reminded, then they will be thirsty. That's the consequence, and consequences are how people learn.

If, on the other hand, something unforeseen arises, then that's a different story. Last week we got together with some other homeschool families at a library to make holiday decorations for a big party we're having. We planned on being gone for about 3 hours, between driving time and craft time. We packed water bottles and snacks. After the crafting, one of the moms who lives near the library invited a bunch of us to her home, and we wound up staying there until evening. So of course, the kids were starving when we left. I didn't say, "You should have been prepared and packed a sandwich." We stopped for dinner.

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People started telling me to stop carrying her when she was 18 months old. She was really big and had been walking for almost a year, but she still wanted to be carried sometimes. I promised her that I'd carry her for as long as she wanted to be carried, although sometimes she got too heavy and I needed to out her down for a while. I carried her off and on for year, not for long walks really but the kind of thing where you pop a kid on your hip for a few minutes, or carry them to bed when they fall asleep somewhere else. Then one day when she was 5 she fell asleep in the car and I reached in to carry her tothe house, and she shook me off and said, "No, I can walk." She was kind of woozy and I asked if she was sure, and said I was happy to carry her.... but she was sure, and she never wanted me to carry her again.
Odd. I've never had anyone tell me to stop carrying my children. I thought most people picked their kids up to move them if they're asleep, even at age five. I know my oldest was almost seven before I had trouble hauling his butt out of the car.

My 9yo still likes to be carried, and since he's only 50 lbs. I can still do it. He also enjoys piggyback rides.
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IOW, you rock and I suck.

No offense, but the dynamics in a family of two are much different than in a family of four. Been there, done that. It's easy to be "thoughtful" of one other person. It's different when there are three other people to be thoughtful of. I won't feel obligated to remember everything for everybody. The children aren't babies anymore.

There are times when people are forgetful. There are times when people are reluctant to do what others suggest. And there are times when people are lazy. Children are no exception; they're people, too, and I can tell the difference between forgetfulness and laziness in my children. If my kids know (in advance) that we're going to go on a long car ride or be gone for a couple of hours and can't be bothered to grab a bottle of water even though they've been reminded, then they will be thirsty. That's the consequence, and consequences are how people learn.

If, on the other hand, something unforeseen arises, then that's a different story. Last week we got together with some other homeschool families at a library to make holiday decorations for a big party we're having. We planned on being gone for about 3 hours, between driving time and craft time. We packed water bottles and snacks. After the crafting, one of the moms who lives near the library invited a bunch of us to her home, and we wound up staying there until evening. So of course, the kids were starving when we left. I didn't say, "You should have been prepared and packed a sandwich." We stopped for dinner.



Odd. I've never had anyone tell me to stop carrying my children. I thought most people picked their kids up to move them if they're asleep, even at age five. I know my oldest was almost seven before I had trouble hauling his butt out of the car.

My 9yo still likes to be carried, and since he's only 50 lbs. I can still do it. He also enjoys piggyback rides.
If we are going somewhere and my husband forgets to grab a water bottle, I wouldn't dream of calling him lazy, nor would he if I forgot and we wouldn't make each other suffer the consequences. That's just...mean.

I choose to 'teach' my children patience and understanding by modeling patience and understanding.
post #84 of 86
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Originally Posted by mama_kass View Post
My DS just completly dropped out of life! Not wanting to do anything accept play the games from the time he woke up to the time he went to bed and asking me to make him meals to eat while playing! I gave it some time and couldn't take it any more. It is not because it is a game. I told him I would be concerned about him doing anything for that long. Things have been much better the last couple of days for all of us. Even my ds told me that he is glad that I am setting limits. He told me he just can't stop on his own. Perhaps some children need limits set.

well sounds like you did the right thing then. DD is also very much like that as well. as am i.
post #85 of 86
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No offense, but the dynamics in a family of two are much different than in a family of four. Been there, done that. It's easy to be "thoughtful" of one other person. It's different when there are three other people to be thoughtful of. I won't feel obligated to remember everything for everybody. The children aren't babies anymore.
I'm going to have to disagree with this. I have six children, and everything Dar's said (with just one child) applies to my big family. I actually feel a lot of joy remembering to bring all the things my kids might need for an outing. (not saying I always can, but when I do... ) I love doing this for them and consider it one of the beautiful things of being a mother. I chose to have this big family and therefore I do the extra work required.

Some of the dynamics may be different in a large family but my mothering doesn't change. I am their abassador to the world.
post #86 of 86
I'm going to lock this, because it's almost four years old and it doesn't seem quite fair for us to be discussing the words of posters who aren't here anymore, or perhaps have changed their viewpoints... but please, feel free to start a new thread on this topic if you want to discuss it further.

Dar
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