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post #1 of 13
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My 30 month old has cavities in his 4 upper teeth and I have been trying to learn about it so I can make an educated decision on the course of treatment. I went to the Archives but they seem tottaly incomplete. I could read the questions (some of them the same ones I have) but not the answers.
What happened to the answers form Smilemomma????
I have soooooo many questions!!
Please help!!!
Alex
Mom to a wonderful ds!!!
post #2 of 13
I haven't poked around there too much, but I'm on a yahoo group for dealing with young children with cavities. I have also researched a lot so maybe I can help direct you to the answers you're looking for. What are some of the questions you want to ask?
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 

Here it goes..

Thank you so much!
I just joined "veryyoungkidsteeth" on Yahoo last night also> Got home from dentis t and after ds went to bed started trying to learn all I can .
Here are some of the questions I posted there:

"Hello , My name is Alex and I just joined the group last night when I came across it while researching the topic. My son is 30 months old and we took him to the dentist yesterday for the first time. I new that he has cavities. They are in between his front teeth and behind his two upper teeth right nest to the middle ones. He is still breastfed day and night but I have done my research on it and will not wean. The dentist was really nice and just looked at it and told me to brush with fluoride toothpaste and come back in three months to see if it has progressed or stopped. I liked her.
I am sure you all have answered this question millions of times but here I go again and thank you in advance for any help you can get us. Should I use any of this?
Remineralization- What can I do to help it?
Cod liver oil?
calcium Phosphate?
Xylitol?
Dental herb Company's Tooth and Gum Tonic?
Any natural remedies like Hyland's Bio Plasma?\
What about fluoride? Won't too much be the opposite and cause decay?
Sealant in baby teeth?
Homeopathic silicea 6x?
Horsetail tea?
Tee tree oil?
Food to eat?
foods to avoid?
And If we have to treat them ( they are still relatively small) should I just hold him down (my sister did that) since I would be very afraid of putting him under?
What about the mask? How safe Or NOT?
I apologize for all the questions but I am sure you understand how I feel now...guilty even the I know it was probably not my entire fault. Heck I was bottle fed until almost ten and did not brush my teeth until I was at least three and had not cavities in any of my baby teeth!!!
Again thank you so much for your answers,Alex""


Anything else you may think will help will be greatly appreciated.
I went out angot him the homeopathic silicae 6x, cod liver oil and some tee tree oil to make a solution to wipe his teeth today. What else is good. Also very worried about treatment options. Caviries are small but I know will need fillings eventually.
Again Thank you,
Alex
post #4 of 13
Hey that's the list I was talking about I haven't been reading much or posting but I get the digest.
My son had 8 cavities filled and he sat in the chair and we did our best to distract him and ask for his cooperation. He was 3 1/2 at the time. It took 4 visits to do since he also had sealants on 4 other teeth.
Some thoughts:
-brush before bed and then night nursing will help protect and remineralize teeth
-peppermint essential oil kills s. mutans, the bacteria that causes decay
-birch essential oil strengthens enamel and fills tiny crevices in the enamel
-flouride applied topically, only can help but other things can also help. it's not the only answer. it also blocks mineral absorption so use sparingly

My dentist was fine with me not using a flouride toothpaste or flouride treatment in her office since my son will swallow anything you put in his mouth. I did get a small bottle of flouride mouthwash and used a qtip to apply it to his teeth, but that was too much work and I quit. Instead, I use a flouride free mouthwash which contains peppermint and get their toothbrushes wet with it before adding the toothpaste. I then add one drop ONLY of birch oil and then put the toothpaste on top. We use Jason's Nutrismile C toothpaste since vitamin C also helps combat tooth decay. It is flouride free.

Any foods that stick to teeth can contribute to decay. Raisins and other dried fruit can be just as bad as candy. I try to give my kids water in sippy cups throughout the day to rinse their mouths after snacks. We brush immediately after waking and right before getting in bed. I don't brush more than that. Saliva also helps fight cavities. But, at night, the mouth dries out and that's when the germs do their dirty work and break the teeth down. So we make sure to brush the germs off first thing in the morning and make sure there is no food on the teeth for them overnight.

It IS ok to wait on cavities. As long as they are not in permanent teeth and don't cause infection, you can wait it out. My dentist never really mentioned that until she just couldn't get the last tooth done. We tried everything in the book short of general anesthesia. We even tried the mask. He wanted nothing to do with it. It's late and I'm sure I've forgotten something. But those are some of my thoughts.
Oh yeah. I went ahead and got the ones between his two front teeth done because I thought those would be very sensitive to hot and cold and be harder to keep clean if I didn't have them fixed.
post #5 of 13

Hi Alex,

I'm posting since what we're doing is working.

My son is 3, still nursing, and no cavities. I brush his teeth once a day before bed, but he usually nurses a bit before going to sleep.

I would say no extra fluoride. If you have used any babyfood, there is filtered municipal water in there that will have some. I think the dangers of too much outweigh those of too little.

Our saliva is extremely important in controlling the bacteria in our mouths. secretory Iga is one component. Read my "The Power of Probiotics" thread for the importance of intestinal flora to our immune system. A Probiotic yogurt (very different from conventional since it has bacteria that will be permanent and not transient) will greatly increase the secretory IgA in anyone's saliva.

http://www.dent.ualberta.ca/McGaw/PA...va_Factor.html


I brush my son's teeth by taking a toothbrush and pouring hydrogen peroxide (the kind at the drugstore) over the head and partial neck of the brush. This does two things. It kills ambient bacteria that grow on brushes in bathrooms (yes they've found that bad bacteria can set up shop on a brush in a bathroom) and loads the brush with a little peroxide for brushing. The peroxide is very safe:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract


Also, and this is a little more complicated. You can see from the first link that there are many minerals in saliva-- especially calcium and phosphorous. However, the calcium in the saliva can only be enough if the calcium being absorbed by the digestive system is enough. This relies upon Vit.D in the body. It is my belief that modern adults and especially children are vitamin D deficient. Here are the subtle details of Vit. D manufacture in the body. The best quality is UVB exposure from the sun. Ironically it's made from that "demon" cholesterol in the skin.

http://www.westonaprice.org/nutritio..._vitaminD.html


The proper sun exposure= proper mineral absorption= better teeth and bones


Cod liver oil-- gotta have it-- we swear by it in our house


http://www.westonaprice.org/nutritio...dliveroil.html




Good luck,


Ray
post #6 of 13

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Ray,
I am intrugued by your post. I have a 21m old who had 3 root canals, 3 crowns, 1 filling, and 4 sealants at 19m. His top 3 teeth were the worst. He is nursing still and at the time of his dental work almost exclusively brfeastfed still! (His choice to not eat much solids). We used sedation to do the work and it really was a gentle way to go. That said I feel strongly that the decay was not caused by nursing, but some type of deficit when I was preggo with him and the tooth buds were forming. I can't find anything to support my theory though. If it was night nursing that caused the decay all my kids would have had the problem. Ds #1 perfect teeth, ds#2 had enamel issues on 1 tooth, and ds#3 had enamel issues on 4 teeth. We would like 1 more child and I shudder to think of his or her teeth!
post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by zjandosmom
Ray,
I am intrugued by your post. I have a 21m old who had 3 root canals, 3 crowns, 1 filling, and 4 sealants at 19m. His top 3 teeth were the worst. He is nursing still and at the time of his dental work almost exclusively brfeastfed still! (His choice to not eat much solids). We used sedation to do the work and it really was a gentle way to go. That said I feel strongly that the decay was not caused by nursing, but some type of deficit when I was preggo with him and the tooth buds were forming. I can't find anything to support my theory though. If it was night nursing that caused the decay all my kids would have had the problem. Ds #1 perfect teeth, ds#2 had enamel issues on 1 tooth, and ds#3 had enamel issues on 4 teeth. We would like 1 more child and I shudder to think of his or her teeth!
You are absolutely right that night nursing does not cause cavities. If there is food left on the teeth in the night, it can, but if the teeth are clean, it protects them and remineralizes them.
Here's a dentist who has a lot to say about dental caries http://www.brianpalmerdds.com/Default.htm
and there is also a lot of information at http://kellymom.com/ if you do a search.
Some things that can cause the tooth buds to form improperly are antibiotics during pregnancy and fever during pregnancy. There are also others. I'm sure you'll find lots of great info at those two sites.
post #8 of 13

thanks

kavamamakava,
Thanks for the links! Great info and I even forwarded one to my dentist! He seems pro-bfing, but does think night nursing causes decay. Do you happen to know what vit or mineral the mothers body needs/uses during pg that helps with the formation of the toothbuds? Just thought I would ask.
Thanks again
post #9 of 13

zdanjosmom...I have a question

I was interested in hearing more about your son's sedation. My daughter is
28 months, and had 2 cavities filled with nitrous oxide. She has 3 more cavities that need filled, and I think we need to go with sedation as I am sure
she will no longer be cooperative, and she has quite a temper. What sedation
was used with your son. How was the experience, any side effects? Was it done in the office or hospital setting? Any information would be helpful.
Thanks!
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by zjandosmom
kavamamakava,
Thanks for the links! Great info and I even forwarded one to my dentist! He seems pro-bfing, but does think night nursing causes decay. Do you happen to know what vit or mineral the mothers body needs/uses during pg that helps with the formation of the toothbuds? Just thought I would ask.
Thanks again
I really don't know a whole lot about which deficiencies in a mother can affect the formation of teeth in utero. But one thing I forgot to mention is that a candida overgrowth can greatly contribute to tooth decay. I'd been having issues with thrush and yeast problems for about a year when I lived in Hawaii and that's when I notice the beginnings of weaknesses on my son's teeth. Also, my older sister's 3 children have all had tooth issues. The climate is so humid and conducive to yeast where we lived so I'm sure that had a lot to do with her children's teeth problems. Now that the older 2 have permanent teeth, they are doing great and cavity free.
post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 

Thank you,

Many thanks for all your answers and Great links.
Thank you Kavamamakava and Ray.
Happy New Year,
Alex
post #12 of 13
Kavamamakava,
I just read your response re candida and had an "aha" moment. My ENTIRE pregnancy with #3 I battled yeast! I had never had a yeast infection before, but I literally dealt with it my entire pregnancy. Maybe that is my answer?!

Circlema- Our son was given a liquid sedative in the dentist's office and I was then able to nurse him to sleep! I put him in the sling and walked, nursed, and held until he was asleep. The nurse didn't take him until he was out cold. He did also have nitrous oxide while they were working on him. His procedure took 1 1/2 hours...no way to do that kind of work without him being drugged. Because he was not put under the work could be done in the office and not the hospital. We took him home, he slept off and on most of the morning and by 4 wanted a banana. I hated that this happened to him, but the whole experience went as well as I could have hoped for. Hope that helps. Let me know if you need any more info. I believe that it is hard to find a dentist who does sedation and not GA. Good luck!
Kathy
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by zjandosmom
Kavamamakava,
I just read your response re candida and had an "aha" moment. My ENTIRE pregnancy with #3 I battled yeast! I had never had a yeast infection before, but I literally dealt with it my entire pregnancy. Maybe that is my answer?!

Circlema- Our son was given a liquid sedative in the dentist's office and I was then able to nurse him to sleep! I put him in the sling and walked, nursed, and held until he was asleep. The nurse didn't take him until he was out cold. He did also have nitrous oxide while they were working on him. His procedure took 1 1/2 hours...no way to do that kind of work without him being drugged. Because he was not put under the work could be done in the office and not the hospital. We took him home, he slept off and on most of the morning and by 4 wanted a banana. I hated that this happened to him, but the whole experience went as well as I could have hoped for. Hope that helps. Let me know if you need any more info. I believe that it is hard to find a dentist who does sedation and not GA. Good luck!
Kathy
I think the yeast/thrush issue is what greatly contributed to my children's decay. I brushed their teeth twice daily and still my son had 12 weak teeth. One thing that kept them strong was breastmilk. Because he only had weak spots and no actual cavities at his first dentist visit. Six months later, after he had night weaned, he had EIGHT! cavities. ugh.
We tried an oral sedative and nitrous and my son would NOT go to sleep. *sigh*. So he's still got one more teeth with a cavity. We're just going to leave it for now.
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