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post #41 of 278
biting is normal. that's actually what front teeth are for in animals. sure, they tear food too but that is our primary defense mechanism. it's hard dealing with habits that our kids pick up. know that if they do, they are just experimenting. if we had the village they would have all those habits around all the time and it wouldn't surprise us so. we can diffuse some of the world and block out other parts but the world is out there. i have learned the hard way that the usual recourse is to cease hanging out with the child, which punishes the moms the most. it is temporary but a year or two not seeing a family you like can be hard. generally, no attention whatsoever will work better than giving attention. also try redirection. when we hear "no biting", we mainly hear the word biting. try giving them something they can bite, and say bite this. if that makes you feel uncomfortable, show them something else like petting your arm or kissing it. it needs to be right there for the redirection to stick. i tolerated licking sometimes in exchange for biting.
biting starts as just an expression of frustration considering we start as oral learning non verbal creatures. getting mad does happen, and we should be allowed to be mad but our actions should be respectful. however, 2s and others have limitations and we should heed those limitations and offer guidance. they have no prior concept of violence whatsoever and our horror stricken looks can be very entertaining. ruby bites me because it is fun. she bites the boys even more because they yelp.

it's not totally the mom's fault. what i do when my kids are the victim are that i promptly go comfort them until they feel better. then i make no mention (unless they are much older and i can instill different strategy for next time). i have also learned the hard way that i cannot comfort the victim if my child was the aggressor. it it inflates the learning shame into anger instead with my child and breaches my love line with my child to the point that they are mad at me instead of understanding that they were part of the problem. that has also made me the bad mamma in many people's eyes. i can say, i'm sorry that happenned to the victim and mamma. but my efforts at requiring my child to apologize or comfort against their will usually backfire. many times my older kids have apologized sincerely much later, and made retribution offers. ostracizing usually doesn't make anyone feel good and can worsen the actual behaviour because things got so exciting.

but i do parent differently. it just my world i'm talking about!

fern, i understand your rant about the beautiful children and i'm still hearing it after six years. it helps if you look at the cross section of kids in this world. some are not so beautiful due to how they are parented. i think people just want to acknowledge something they see as wonderful but don't know how to express it, like "i'm so glad i saw your child today because it makes my day better". the other thing that bugs me is talking about the kids like they don't understand. but in this paranoid world, that is considered the norm since some people don't want you to talk to their kids.....
post #42 of 278
*nods* and i know that people mean it as a compliment..i just know the other parts to the story.. thanks casina.

we just went to the heath food store in town and i ended up with six bags (20$$ worth) of organic salad greens that were a bit on the slimy side-for free! ive been craving salad. i ate almost an entire lettuce yesterday but it wasnt as yummy as the mixed greens. mm. i made a nice vinagrette and timothy and i ate that for lunch. what a feast. it turns out the greens were mostly fine only about 2% were too slimy to eat. i love free stuff. it makes buying things seem so much better when they give you stuff once in a while.and we will be having salad for supper too.. woohoo!

saritasmile: good point!

DecemberSun: no worries! ill figure it out. i already posted a message! it wasnt so hard afterall. thanks again fer setting it up.

as for the biting thing..elwynn was into biting for a while. it was mostly in reaction to haeven being a bit rough with him. i guess because she was so much bigger biting was really his ownly defense. they loved each other and im sure miss eachother but really brought out eachothers bad sides! he only tried to bite another kid once at a LLL meeting.. and hasn't for a long time. i gave him time outs everytime he did it and i think he figured out that there are better ways of expressing anger like ..shouting.

i wonder how they would be together now since they havent seen eachother in a while and since they have grown up a bit.

i wonder what it would look like to have all of our 2 years olds together in one room.. would it be harmony or chaos!?
:LOL
post #43 of 278
Hey Fern what a score I have been craving salad too I'm drooling just thinking about it. We will be getting some money for food tomorrow and I can't wait to go to the store adn stock up (I totally feel for you lizc btw) Definetley will be getting salad stuff.

Casina I always love your posts. I wish we lived near eachother, I think you would be an awesome influence on my parenting.

I would so love if all of our two year olds could get togther! im betting it would be a mixture of harmony and chaos. Dd would spend at least the first half of the time clinging to me. Too much stimuli and too many new people. But wouldn't it be wonderful too

oh yeah and as for the biting, dd went through a biting phase, though only ever bit me and dh. We tried explaining but that didn't really sink in. What seemed to work was whenever she bit we gave her this teething necklace for her to bite instead.

Gotta run little one is melting down.
post #44 of 278
this biting issue is close to my heart. GA is the agressive one in our playgroup. all of the momma's are more mainstream than i am but still somewhat crunchy. GA doesn't bite but she grabs kids faces HARD. she has drawn blood. it seems to be the kids she likes the most too. it has been going on for months (amazing they still want to play with us at all ) lately it seems to be getting better or maybe i am better at anticipating when it will happen. now i am working on trying to not make it mean i am a bad parent .... also most of the other mom's are stay at home and that adds to my guilt.

amy
post #45 of 278
carrie, i wish that i could send some of my greens to you! ive eaten so much salad today i could burst! it feels good..but there is still more and the sorting out of slimy bits in cold water that makes my hands feel like they will fall of isn't too much fun..

im having a hard time getting motivated. my house is a mess..except elwynn's rooms and the bathroom which for some reason i keep clean without thinking about..but oh my. the kitchen is a disaster. timothy cleans it most everyday and it always ends up messy again and i always say ill do it this time but then i sit down with a book and i cant get up! we have been watching tv too.. which is bad. its amazing how it sucks you in..we have free cable. and elwynn loves cartoons.. i feel like its okay for him to watch a bit but lately ive been putting him in front of the tv when he asks me, which in my opinion is far too often.. my excuse..he's sick and clingy and in order to get anything done (including pee) without him stuck to me i have to distract him and tv sure does ditract. i feel like we should be 100% tv free. but its nice sometimes too to cuddle up and enjoy a show. blah. anyone else have problems with this or suggestions..its pretty much the only "bad" unethical thing we do (except eat chocolate) and i think i shouldnt make a big deal about it..and its winter and cold and very little sunlight. i just really dont know what to do with all of our time these days.
post #46 of 278
amy- it is so hard!! i feel like i've been on both sides. this issue w/ the little friend has been going on for quite awhile and he lately had been better and for some reason not the last 2 days. it's weird cuz there is another friend we both play w/ and he's never bitten him.
anyway thanks casina for your words. i definetly think my friend suffers the most. i've seen her crying and i know it has got to be so hard. i've been really trying to stick w/ her and give support but it's really hard to see your sweet child cringe when he comes near him and then later act aggressive to another friend,yk? ugh, what a hard thing...

mamafern, we are having a tv thing going on too. my dp rented a yoga for kids video from the library and razi is always asking to watch it. it's actually not a very good video either. the only tv we watch is movies after razi goes to bed. i think in the last 2 weeks razi has watched more tv than the rest of his life together. i really don't want him to watch any. if i had my way we wouldn't even have a tv. (i turn into a mush brain zombie when it's on) i don't know sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do (like pee) i guess certain circumstances apply but if i feel like i want to turn it on then i think i really need to get more creative, go outside, read a book, or draw, or cut wooden veggies. i've found that playdough can do some good distracting as well. i save it for special occations

it's been snowing a ton here in northern arizona!!?? i had to wait for a plow to do our driveway before going to the store and then, as i was getting all the snow off the car, one of those huge tractor plows plowed the road and blocked my driveway! i was so mad i actually tried to run after it!! :LOL so then i had to shovel out a path for the car. i felt really strong and was really glad i wasn't some wimpy girl who didn't want to break a nail or something. i think it's the first time i really had to 'work' to get to food.
post #47 of 278
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Originally Posted by *Mamajaza*
Sandrine~ Hi! are you from Quebec? My DP is from Beloiel (sp?) near montreal. He doesn't speak french to the babies much, but I sure would like it if he did. Nice to see a frenchy here Welcome to the tribe.

MamaJaza: I'm in Northern Ontario. It can get real cold and real hot in the summer. It's a nice part of Ontario with lots of trees and forests.

Thanks for the welcome everyone.

baby crying, i'll be back.
post #48 of 278
Good morning.

Well, it's snowing and is going to keep on snowing through the end of tomorrow. Looks like we'll be stuck inside for a couple of days.
I can't really afford it but I may have to Stop & Shop Peapod delivery since I can't get to the store. I'm just about out of food so I really need to figure something out! eek!
I'm very sleepy today. Ds woke up a million times last night and he kept hogging the bed. I can't wait til he naps...I'll probably sleep too!

Hmm, sure wish I had a good book or two to read. At least I have my tea. heh.

Hope you all have a good day! I'll try to check in again later. It's so hard for me to get online much these days.

Ciao,
Liz
post #49 of 278
It's been sleeting here, and a bit of freezing rain, my all-time least favorite kind of weather. Yich.

Mr. BeanBean did something last night which I've never seen him do before: he put his own pants on! One leg in each, even. I was very impressed . He loves cars and trucks and tractor-trailers, and writing on himself with markers. He's also extremely fond of % symbols, and recognizes "100%" and "50%" but only knows that 50% means something isn't finished/full/complete and 100% means that it is. Whenever he sees the % he asks "what percent is it?" He's also asking about words-- "what does that say?" --all the time. He knows that the individual letters make sounds, but I don't think he's quite gathered that letter=sound and many letters=many sounds=words, but he's working on it. BeanBean is very much into coloring these days; on himself, especially, but also on paper, in books, on walls, and on his sister.

In other words, he's a very smart kid, but he's still two. :LOL

If he doesn't understand why, he'll ask and if he doesn't get a satisfactory answer he'll do it anyway, which is why he swallowed the penny, why he insisted on playing with candle flames, why he had to help wipe BooBah when she had poopy pants... nothing fatal, as of yet, but he's really pushing things now. He's also asking to nurse about every fifteen minutes. I think that's part of the huge developmental leaps he's making; he needs to nurse because his brain and body are moving so quickly that he's got to comfort himself and slow down sometimes. I have managed to get him to suck his thumb, but it's a very temporary solution for him.

Hm. He's putting on a pair of jeans right now. Trouble is, he's not wearing any underwear. : His cousin is trying to convince him to put on underwear. "They're my pants! I don't want my pants off!" :LOL I'd better go.
post #50 of 278
:LOL Rynna!!
my dd just tried yesterday putting pants on. and she did it again today. very exciting.
dd doesn't wear underwear at all.
post #51 of 278
mommas the universe seems to be telling me not to work I was back at work exactly ONE day and today I had jury duty and guess what ...that's right I am now a juror :

I am trying not to be too pissed off b/c I really do think it is my civic duty to do this ....but for christ sakes ONE DAY of work!

anyway off to get some work done ...probably into the wee hours .....

Amy
post #52 of 278
Amy, try to remember that these things happen for a reason!

well the MSN group is up and running. jasanna started a picture page and i added one of elwynn, so put up your pics so we can see the nov/dec 02 babe's all together!

i baked today! carrot muffins...and i made baking powder biscuits yesterday. i think im baking because the house is cold more than anything but the yummy smells and warm out of the oven food is nice too. elwynn loves carrot muffins.its all he has eaten today except a tiny bowl of annies macandcheese, most of which ended up on the floor :

on a happier note, i borrowed my aunties juicer today and bought a huge bag of organic carrots, apples and ginger. im going to dose us all up with fresh juice tomorow Am and see how we feel. when we were in voctoria we had fresh juice everyday and elwynn LOVED it.

while elwynn napped today my auntie and i went out on the town..well, we went to the thrift store in twon..i found a book and some envelopes and writing paper with little mushrooms and ferns on them. anyone want a letter? elwynn and i are all ready. send us your addresses and we will send you random bits of paper and pocket lint and maybe even some drawings and words if you are lucky.

eilonwy: i think elwynn and eli would be a great team! the tiny bum boys. elwynn cant wear any of his pants without two pairs of undies or a diaper, they just fall offr.. he's been wearing a lot of dresses lately, much to many people's dismay but i think he looks rather cute and so does his dad!!
post #53 of 278
Fern-- I think that'd be quite a sight! I know that in a room full of toddlers, even if the room was quiet when we walked it it would soon be very chaotic with BeanBean in it. He's chaotic in a room all by himself most of the time.

Anyone ever hear of an easy baby becoming a seriously spirited toddler? :LOL

As to dresses, well, BeanBean doesn't wear them. Mostly because my mom would have a heart attack, and because he's very pretty already. Even in denim overalls and a seriously masculine shirt, people mistake him for a girl. I guess it's the hair, and the pretty eyes, but really!

Oh, I wanted to talk about that-- people frequently come up to me on the street and tell me that BeanBean is beautiful. I'm okay with this, even though I also grew up feeling very ugly. I think it's because when someone says a child is beautiful, I don't feel like they're passing judgement on me (the way I do when people remark on how advanced he is for his age). They're just admiring something pretty, and that's okay. He *is* beautiful and yes, I do know it, but it's not something for me to be particularly proud of because it's not something that I did or caused to be-- it's just the way he is, and it comes with it's own pro's and con's which he'll have to learn as he gets older.

It does bother me when people tell me how pretty BooBah is, though, because they rarely say "Oh, she's lovely!" they say "Wow, she has the most beautiful eyes, they're the bluest eyes I've ever seen..." followed by "where did they come from?" or "do you think they'll change?" One person even said "she has such beautiful eyes, but will they stay beautiful?" I almost slapped her; "of course they'll stay beautiful, but they might not stay blue." I told her, very coldly. I don't like the fact that blue eyes are so highly prized in our society, it gets my shorts in a twist for a variety of reasons. I wish they'd just tell me she's cute and leave it at that.
post #54 of 278
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by *Mamajaza*
Loved seeing my beautiful nephew as always.
Is this talk about calling him beautiful cause of me, fern? I didn't think it was an insult to call a baby beautiful.
post #55 of 278
i can't figure out how to get to the msn thing. it says i haven't been approved yet?
post #56 of 278
jazz, Totally not!! to tell you the truth i didnt even see that part of the original post..im not sure why..but no! thanks for what you said, truly!

its not about people who elwynn knows and loves telling him he's beautiful, because i think that everyone should be told that they are beautiful..i just get frustrated when i get bombarded with this while walking in town and smelly ladies in fur coats try to touch his face!! ak!

gosh, i love elwynn in dresses! he likes them too! he looks in the mirror and says "pitty!" he likes his hair up in a pony tail too.. byt im not worried, he is so much a boy on the inside and soon he will say momma, i dont want to wear dresses anymore and ill say ok!
post #57 of 278
eilonwy, awhile back you posted that your sling broke. i was wondering what kind you had. i was just thinking that if that ever happend to a sling i sold someone that i would fix, replace, repair, whatever for free. maybe you could ask whoever made your sling to fix or replace it. i would do that no matter how long ago someone bought it. rings just shouldn't break! i was just thinking that while i was nursing razi back to sleep.
post #58 of 278
Hey mamas! I didn't even know a new thread was started. How embarrassing! I'm trying hard to keep up with everything lately... *sigh* LOL! Just popping in to say "hey". I see you got a group going...what's the link so I don't have to wade through a few pages of posts to find it? TIA!
post #59 of 278
Thread Starter 
My sling broke, too, a few months ago. I've just been making do with other things, but I'd really like to have a well-made sling. Could I buy one off one of ya ladies (casina, saritasmile)? I'm pretty picky about fabric, though, so if you posted pics, that'd be easier for me.



How come no one is posting on the msn group yet, BTW?
post #60 of 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by *Mamajaza*
How come no one is posting on the msn group yet, BTW?
well, i don't have time. but i read everything at the end of the day or in the morning.
also, do we want to maintain this thread, and keep msn for really private stuff?

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