UC support thread #13, January 05' - Page 3

[TRIBE]

Kate--Ugh on the BC paperwork, those questions are totally ridiculous and have nothing to do with a just birthed baby sheesh.

I think I have settled on my decision. Yes i want UC but during the labor I am throwing a party! Whats the best cure for pain but laughter right? Something I read about in Ina Mays book is laughing helps to open your cervix and ease labor pains. So gathering my crazy girlfriends for a little party. I have warned everyone tho that once I hit transition get the h*** outta here.

I got the list of "needed' supplies from vicki for the birth. I laughed at most of them. I don't need all this crap listed and I am sure not spending my hard earned cash for items I know I don't need and won't use. I did that with my last birth, spent about $75 and the only things I used from the birth kit were the 12-15 chux pads, the peri bottle, the baby cap 7 shirt and the birth certificate (a keepsake one). I dont see the need for having anymore than that this time around either. So when I go back in 4 weeks I am going to go over the list and find out what they have to have vs what they think mom might need. Since i have done this before i am a bit more aware of what I need. This list seems more geared to the first time mom/homebirther.

Well i am off to hit the sack again. Got a lovely sore throat and so all i want to do is sleep and try not to swallow anything.

[Chiromom]

Amy D, I appreciate your words of support for chiro care during pregnancy. I am not suprised that your chiro was "shocked" by UC.

I am very actively involved in a large chiropractic pediatric/obstetric community and they think I am WAAAAY out there with the UCing. It is wierd how the chiropractic community embraces the anti-interference idea when it comes to most of western medicine but seems to have a bit of a disconnect when it comes to birth. Generally chiros are very savvy to midwifery/homebirth...but UC still freaks them out as much as it does the the next guy (" but what is something goes wrooong?") They think I have just been lucky that nothing bad has happened.

I have had long conversations with some pretty big names in pediatric/ob chiropractic education and they really just don't *get* it. These are very thoughtful people who I really admire. They appreciate the responsibilty the parent is taking but get mired in the "risks". It is really bizarre to me because I feel that UC is such a natural extension of chiropractic philosophy onto the birth process. Anyway...I digress. Suffice it to say that I am trying to influence and educate little by little and hopefully the chiro community will begin to open up a little.

[laurata]

I feel like I didn't come close to doing the experience justice, but here it is.

http://smartaustin.com/~laura/elliottsbirth.html

[ferdinandthebull]

Originally Posted by Chiromom

I have this SUPER SUPER cool discussion of exactly how the baby progresses ideally thru the pelvis during the many stages of birth that I'm sure you guys would LOVE! It shows how the baby and the body are perfectly designed to trigger each new positional change just exactly when and how it is supposed to in order to ideally expell a baby. It is easy to see when looking at this step by step process how routine and seemingly innocuous interventions can stall or interfere with this delicate dance. Soooo cool.

Hi there. I normally lurk, but wanted to say. . .

Chiromom: Your class, and this part especially, sounds awesome. I wish I could be there.

Feedback: I'm not sure if "risk management" refers to medical risk or legal risk, but I think it's worth stressing that women who choose to have assisted births (with a licensed provider) are also choosing to enter a kind of legal arrangement. So many friends of mine are absolutely shocked that their midwives made decisions not out of concern for their patient's health but out of a desire/need to limit their legal liablity or allow them to maintain a relationship with a backup Ob/Gyn. People seem to be easily lulled into thinking that a midwife, who may believe that birth isn't "medical" or dangerous, is somehow in a different legal/libality situation than an MD or OB.
Unassisted childbirth avoids that whole problem (of course).

Also, do you want to include anything about third stage, and comparisons of how third stage is treated by the 3 models?
Maybe some of Michel Odent's writing could be used.

Speaking of which, does the fetus ejection reflex fit into the progression through the pelvis discussion you mentioned (your quote, above)? I'd be so interested in hearing more.

I'm really excited that you're doing so much to educate clients and chiropractors. (FWIW, when I was in acupuncture school, most of my colleagues had standard hospital births with drugs--wouldn't even consider homebirth. I thought that was so odd, given the alternative medical education we received--and our Ob/Gyn class was taught by a homebirth midwife!)



Andi (who can't wait to UC)

[mountain mom]

I have a question. Long time lurker on the UC threads here. Has anyone had a UC VBAC? I know quite of few women who have had HBACS but no UC Vbac.

Thanks in advance. And sorry to interupt the rhythm of the thread.

[Aura_Kitten]

just popping in for a moment to let you all know ~ we are STILL dealing with the paperwork for Elyssa's birth certificate! AUGH! the person who prepared it forgot to add mine and my partner's ssn's... AND the state doesn't want to recognize her birthdate because my last date of menses is so "off." i have endometriosis, so i don't normally menstruate, and i've explained that several times already to different people ~ and today i got a letter asking me to put it in writing and send it in. ok, maybe it's just me but i feel like this is a MAJOR invasion of privacy. my word should be enough! :

i'm considering sending them a letter stating my last date of "normal" menses (which is what they're asking for!) was over 5 years ago, because i haven't had a normal period since well before my son was conceived (i, in fact, had ceased menstrauting before i got pregnant with him, too ~ with Elyssa, i hadn't had a period for about six months when i conceived her).

:: sigh :: just a head's up.

[KateSt.]

Laurata -- thanks so much for sharing your birth story. Yet another I will add to my pile for dh to read. I think mamas who have yet to uc find a great deal of comfort in mamas who have in spite of fear and uncertainty -- at least I find a great deal of comfort in that. Wonderful -- thank you!!

Mountain Mom -- I think I just came across a thread about uc vbac. Do a search in this forum for unassisted childbirth and it will most likely come up.

Chiromom -- I'm also very interested in the quote that ferninandthebull posted. Any other info tho share?

Jenniebug -- your plan sounds fabulous and it seems from your tone that you've found your peace. I'm so happy for you!

Klothos -- what a PIA process all for a birth certificate!!! It makes me so mad! I agree that MUCH of the info they ask for is none of their business! In fact, with some questions I just may answer with N/B!! Good luck~

[Chiromom]

Originally Posted by ferdinandthebull

People seem to be easily lulled into thinking that a midwife, who may believe that birth isn't "medical" or dangerous, is somehow in a different legal/libality situation than an MD or OB.
Unassisted childbirth avoids that whole problem (of course).

So true and a good point!

Originally Posted by ferdinandthebull

Also, do you want to include anything about third stage, and comparisons of how third stage is treated by the 3 models?

I will discuss the third stage *options* during the birth plan portion....and will point out how so many things in the first two models interfere to the point of detriment. I alway take at least an hour to expell the placenta and hate it when people BUG me! (first birth)

Originally Posted by ferdinandthebull

Speaking of which, does the fetus ejection reflex fit into the progression through the pelvis discussion you mentioned (your quote, above)? I'd be so interested in hearing more.

This discussion is basically the fetal ejection reflex pulled apart tiny step by step with both the mother's *work* and the baby's response under ideal conditions physically, emotionally, structurally etc... It shows where many different *breakdown* occur that seem time yet create an entire cascade of complications. I will have to write it up for you guys...but it is lengthy and I have to finish preparing this class first. Maybe next week (after the 15th).


Mar

[cottonwood]

"AND the state doesn't want to recognize her birthdate because my last date of menses is so "off." "

That is nuts. A lot of women don't have regular periods. My fourth birth was my first in which I could calculate a due date going by LMP. I'm sorry, it is so frustrating to have to deal with people in power who are so ignorant.

ETA: Laura, Elliott is SO cute, so chubby, so healthy looking! So how are you feeling now?

[majazama]

Klothos... I think I'm still in that same situation! I haven't received Samayas birth certificate, cause I was on welfare when she was born, and had to bring all the papers in to them. Obviously they had never done a BC for an UC before, so totally forgot about my notarized letters. I had to bring in the originals, and I had to talk to the BC office and the welfare office back and forth and back and forth. And then I went off of welfare, and I have no idea what's going on now. AAAAAHH! I hate paper work!!!!!!!!!!

[TRIBE]

darnit I had this long reply and lost it!

Anyways, thank you Kate I am feeling very at peace with my decision. Getting very excited planning this labor party as well. I am still leaving the door open for changes in my plans, depending on how I feel once I am actualyin labor.

i take myself back to my last UC and I know i was very relaxed and open to being around people and doing things but once delivery was near I wanted to be alone. I became a primal animal, kwim? So who knows how it will go this time. I may decide i want no one around during the labor but want ppl around during the delivery. Heck I may just want to toss kids and DH out of the house for all of it. Keeping my mind and options open but being ready for my current plan of action

[rainbowmoon]

mountainmom- I am planning a UBAC but am not due until August.

btw I started this thread a few weeks back (there's some UBAC birth stories posted to it) and a bunch of other mamas planning UBAC's
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=224556

also there's a GREAT group at yahoogroups called UBAC you might check out

[Poolplayer]

Uc

Just wondering if anyone knows of any really good websites or books that I can show to family and friends to prove to them that the UC that we are planning is'nt as bad as they all think.

Thanks

[majazama]

poolplayer~ ......well there's...

jeannine parvati baker's site...www.birthkeeper.com
laura shanley's site....... www.laurashanley.com

those are the only ones I know off hand. other people should have more ideas.

[Poolplayer]

Thank you mamajaza for the info.

[amyjeans]

poolplayer-

http://www.unhinderedliving.com/childbirth.html

I got a lot of good info from here.

[TRIBE]

I just had to post about this dream I had last night!

DH and I were in bed and I just felt, hrm I dont know if i can describe how I felt. But all of a sudden I was pushing the babe out with no effort and no labor. Baby was a good sized lil bugger too, and a girl! I looked at him and said well looks like no labor party but we could have a baby has arrived party instead!

Wouldn't that be nice to have no labor and then as easy as pie birthing the babe? Nice fantasy, i seem to recall having a similar pain free labor dream with my last one too. Babe I feel is speaking to me and that she wants a quiet, undisturbed peaceful birth. Something I already had my heart set on...but what does this say for my labor plans?

[Poolplayer]

Site

Thanks Amyjeans, that site will give me some reading to do once the kids are in bed tonight. :

[laurata]

Originally Posted by blueviolet

ETA: Laura, Elliott is SO cute, so chubby, so healthy looking! So how are you feeling now?

Thank you! I think he's wonderful. :-)

I'm feeling tired... I think we finally found a house to move into, so I'm trying not to overdo it, but also to get everything packed up, etc.

[firecat]

hi everybody,
I wanted to come in and tell you all how much I like reading these uc threads. I posted awhile back about prenatal vits if you remember Anyway, I am hoping to ttc this year and have a up/uc. So I will be around posting and asking questions although probably not too often until I get preggo! here's hoping we get our own forum!
firecat