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post #1 of 12
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So on another board I was on someone posted a link to a CNN article talking about Polio in africa, and that moms who don't vaccinate should watch out. Mind you I was a little confused and asked, why should be worried about vaccinating against Polio and she wrote the following:

People travel to the US from Africa all the time. They can bring that nasty virus here just as easily as anywhere else. Not to mention, just because there's not an epidemic here, doesn't mean the virus isn't lingering. We haven't seen it in the US for so long because of the vaccination. It prevents the person from catching it - it doesn't "kill" the virus that exists. That boycott of the vaccine there illustrates exactly what happens when people DON'T immunize.

Anyone want to help me write a well informed response. I tried a rough draft but got a lot of buts in there. I want to let it go, but its just reeking of not being well informed.

Help.
post #2 of 12
There's some stuff in the last part of this one you might like to see:
http://www.naturalfamilyonline.com/Y...l-vaccines.htm

Also, from CNN:

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Polio is a waterborne disease that usually infects young children
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/01/12....ap/index.html

So I wonder why it's better to feed the children live polio viruses (OPV) than to help the people develop sources of clean water?
post #3 of 12
I can't help you with the information, but I seem to remember a recent thread about OPV being the CAUSE of polio resurgence in Africa. My understanding is that they don't even use the IPV, but the OPV over there. If my memory serves me correctly, there was some link with UNICEF and OPV in Africa.

Good luck with your research!
post #4 of 12
I read somewhere that the polio vaccine won't even be offered in the U.S. after 2007 since it has been erradicated for so long.
post #5 of 12
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We haven't seen it in the US for so long because of the vaccination. It prevents the person from catching it - it doesn't "kill" the virus that exists.
That in itself is crap.........the last few cases that have been in the US were BECAUSE of the polio vaccine. The OPV is a live virus. That is what they give there. It is shed through feces, etc too. Until there is proper sewage systems and clean water in place, polio will keep on going there, especially because they are being injected with live virus! With all the door to door campaigning they are doing to give everyone OPV, if the vaccine actually worked, it would be slowing it by now........but thats the thing, the vaccine is NO guarantee.
post #6 of 12

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Originally Posted by splendid
People travel to the US from Africa all the time. They can bring that nasty virus here just as easily as anywhere else. Not to mention, just because there's not an epidemic here, doesn't mean the virus isn't lingering. We haven't seen it in the US for so long because of the vaccination. It prevents the person from catching it - it doesn't "kill" the virus that exists. That boycott of the vaccine there illustrates exactly what happens when people DON'T immunize.
This is certainly what the general population has been taught to believe. But it is not factual. The polio virus is actually not all that dangerous.

http://www.mamashealth.com/polio.asp

“In about 95 percent of polio cases, infection from the polio virus causes no symptoms or serious effects. In about 5 percent of cases, the polio virus manifests in a mild form (abortive polio) with flu-like symptoms, in a non-paralytic form (aseptic meningitis) or in a severe form called paralytic polio. People who have minor or non-paralytic forms recover completely. …”


Before we had the polio vaccine we saw very little viral polio. There was paralysis, but it's cause was not a polio virus but rather DDT pesticide, the chemical that in all likelihood also poisoned FDR while swimming in a lake in upstate NY. When you see where DDT was produced you will also see that it was exactly the region where the "epidemic" was.

The fact the "epidemic" never spread shows that it was not due to a virus. There are several factors that can produce polio like symptoms. If you look at this chart carefully you will see the association between the chemical and polio.

http://www.geocities.com/harpub/pol_all.htm


DDT was outlawed and at the same time the polio vaccine was introduced, making the vaccine seem as though it were the cure of the disease. That is not true. Because with the introduction of the OPV we created the most crippling viral polio ever.

The sad part of the story is that before the vaccine animals and people were affected in the same manner: both had paralytic symptoms called Polio. That’s because schools, hospitals, yards, playgrounds, farm land and stables were sprayed with the most modern and most poisonous pesticide - DDT.

After the vaccine, only children who were vaccinated one time came down with real polio. Animals no longer became paralyzed because DDT was no longer used and of course they were not vaccinated.

The statistics then were changed to count only children who were vaccinated at least twice with the new polio vaccine as “vaccinate”.

In this manner children who came down with vaccine polio could be said to be “unvaccinated”.

It’s a sad part of our medical history and worth being informed about. Here is a link that tells the whole story:

http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxin...des_polio.html
post #7 of 12
ITA with Gitta on this one.
The first and most serious example of ignorance re' polio is the nature of the virus itself, which is most often harmless. Even IF your baby/young child DID contract it, they stand a 98 to 99% chance of experiencing NO illness or an uncomplicated cold-like illness followed by lifelong immunity.

There are many theories as to why polio appeared to assume a more often paralytic nature in the US and European epidemics just prior to the vaccine, including pesticide poisoning or other infections misdiagnosed as polio, the advent of formula feeding, refined sugars/grains, widespread routine removal of toncils, the advent of injedctions (vaccines. antibiotics, all injections being associated with paralytic polio), and, imo, most strongly implicated, the introduction of sanitized water systems which prevented a generation of infants/children from contracting polio and gaining natural immunity for life, and resulted in them contracting it at older ages, when the risk of severe forms is highest.


Polio:
(Mortality rate of between 2 one-hundredth’s of 1% and 3 quarters of 1%)
(Complication rate of less than 1% to 2%)

http://sprojects.mmi.mcgill.ca/tropm...o/symptoms.htm

“..Up to 95% of all polio infections are inapparent or subclinical without symptoms. Estimates of the ratio of inapparent to paralytic illness vary from 50:1 to 1,000:1 (usually 200:1). …Approximately 4%-8% of polio infections consist of a minor, nonspecific illness without clinical or laboratory evidence of central nervous system invasion. This syndrome is known as abortive poliomyelitis, and is characterized by complete recovery in less than a week. Three syndromes, which are indistinguishable from other viral illnesses, are observed with this form of poliovirus infection……Nonparalytic aseptic meningitis (symptoms of stiffness of the neck, back, and/or legs), usually following several days after a prodrome similar to that of minor illness, occurs in 1%-2% of polio infections. …Less than 2% of all polio infections result in flaccid paralysis…”

http://www.mamashealth.com/polio.asp

“In about 95 percent of polio cases, infection from the polio virus causes no symptoms or serious effects. In about 5 percent of cases, the polio virus manifests in a mild form (abortive polio) with flu-like symptoms, in a nonparalytic form (aseptic meningitis) or in a severe form called paralytic polio. People who have minor or nonparalytic forms recover completely. …”

http://www.vaccineprotection.com/pro...ases/polio.cfm

“Paralytic polio, which occurs in less than 1% of all cases, is classified into three types according to level of involvement.1 In spinal polio, the most common type of paralytic polio, asymmetric paralysis, most often involving the legs, is typical. Bulbar polio is characterized by weakness of muscles controlled by cranial nerves. Bulbospinal polio is a combination of spinal and bulbar paralysis..
Many patients with paralytic polio experience complete recovery and most regain some degree of muscle function, but for others, the disease can result in serious permanent disability or death…Post-polio syndrome, affecting 25% to 40% of survivors of paralytic polio, occurs 20 to 40 years after the original disease. It presents as weakness, fatigue, fasciculations, and pain with additional atrophy of the muscle group affected in the primary episode. Progression of post-polio syndrome is generally slow, and the prognosis is good.
Paralytic polio carries a 2% to 5% mortality rate for children *(My note; between 2 one-hundredth’s of 1% and 5 one-hundredth’s of 1% mortality rate) and up to 15% to 30% mortality rate for adults.*(My note; between 15 one-hundredth’s of 1% and 30 one-hundredth’s of 1% ) In the case of bulbar involvement, mortality increases to 25% to 75%.” *(My note; between one quarter of 1% and 3 quarters of 1%)
*(My note; considering that less than 2% of all polio cases are paralytic in nature, and between 2 and 75% of paralytic cases are fatal, this makes for a mortality rate of between 2 one-hundredth’s of 1% and 3 quarters of 1%)

http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/disease/polio/

““Ironically, the advanced state of public hygiene in most industrialized countries contributed to the century's epidemics. Infants or very young children became infected when open sewers were rampant, but their disease was so mild that many parents did not realize their children had polio. This "silent" infection provided lasting immunity. With the advent of indoor plumbing and other modern sanitary conditions, children were not exposed to the poliovirus in infancy and did not develop immunity. As a result, they were vulnerable to disease in late childhood and adulthood, when it posed a much more serious threat…”

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/polio_vaccines.htm

““Polio was already declining in the U.S. and Europe during the 40's and 50's, as well as in England, where polio mortalities was at its height in 1950, but had declined 82 percent by 1956, before the Salk vaccinations began there. There was also no polio epidemic in the Third-World, where only 10 per cent of the population had been vaccinated. …Paralysis started to rise only after the Salk vaccine had begun in April 1955. It proved to be so hazardous that by November 1955, all European countries, with the exception of Denmark, had cancelled or discontinued their Salk vaccine programs. Canada postponed its Salk vaccine program July 29th of that year. In the U.S., Newark, N.J. stopped inoculations in June, 1955, while Idaho and Utah took similar action in July, followed shortly by Massachusetts [Morris Beale's American Capsule News, Oct. 15th, 1955]. By January 1, 1957, 17 states had rejected their supplies of Salk polio vaccine. During that year, the NY Times reported that very nearly half the paralytic cases, and three-quarters of the non-paralytic cases in children between the ages of 5 and 14 years occurred in vaccinated children. After two years of Salk vaccinations, paralytic polio increased nationally about 50% from 1957 to 1958, and about 80% from 1958 to 1959.”
post #8 of 12
Thank you Lilith and Gitti. I need to save that information.

I am so tired of the "Well........WHAT ABOUT POLIO?! It's only a plane ride away you know." :rollseyes
post #9 of 12
I don't know much about specifics. All I know is that when we were in India, Polio was alive and well. I saw young people paralyzed on the streets because of it. I saw young men pushing special bikes with hand petals b/c their legs didn't work anymore. The bikes were donated by a charity for polio victims, according to the little plates on the sides of the bikes.

I haven't done a lot of research on Polio. I don't think that people in the US are very much at risk for it, but in India they are. I had my dd vaccinated against Polio before we left for India when she was a year old. I'm all for building natural immunity in most cases. My kids are allowed to play on the playgrounds and I don't care if Nitara's binky falls on the ground or she mouths something. I just didn't want Abi to build her natural immunity with polio. Chances are she would have been fine, but if not I would have had to live with the consequences forever, and so would she.

My FIL was at the time pres. of the Rotary Club of Chennai and one of their missions is to provide free polio vaccines for the poor who want them. They usually run short of them b/c so many want them. My dh had a close friend in school get it and he lost the the use of his legs, so I guess it strikes close to home.

Darshani
post #10 of 12
You have said a lot but left a lot unsaid.

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Originally Posted by USAmma
... All I know is that when we were in India, Polio was alive and well. I saw young people paralyzed...
No doubt about it, but why does India have polio? There are 72 known factors that cause polio like symptoms. The polio virus is only one of them.

Malnutrition is a major cause of “childhood paralysis”. So is severe vitamin B deficience, pesticides, unclean water, just to name a few.

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I don't think that people in the US are very much at risk for it, but in India they are.
You are right, they are. But what is the cause of childhood paralysis in India?

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I had my dd vaccinated against Polio before we left for India when she was a year old.... I just didn't want Abi to build her natural immunity with polio.
I understand. I am assuming she got she IVP. There is no danger of her getting polio from that. No danger except for all the other unwanted ingredients...

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Rotary Club of Chennai and one of their missions is to provide free polio vaccines for the poor who want them.
So, can you please find out whether they give the IVP or the OVP?


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They usually run short of them b/c so many want them.
Of course, they see the devastation. But no one looks to find out the root of the problem. And the fault may NOT be the wild polio virus but in part the OPV.

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My dh had a close friend in school get it and he lost the the use of his legs
I have a friend who got polio. It was after she received the OPV.

Your dh’s friend, was he vaccinated with the oral vaccine? I would bet he was. It cause a lot of people to have polio and still does in underdeveloped countries.

The polio virus is not as dangerous as they want us to think.
95% of all people infected with it show absolutely no symptoms.
Of the rest - 4% have flu like symptoms which disappear in less than a week.
0.97% show neurological symptoms such as sensitivity to light and neck stiffness
0.2% have paralysis for up to three weeks and recover fully.
0.1% will have life long disabilities.

That is not out of the whole population but only out of those people who come in contact with the virus. And polio virus needs a very specific growth medium. It is not everywhere.

It is very rare to get a paralysis from a polio virus. But very common to get it from pesticides.

That is why I keep asking what is the cause of the polio in India.

And if they vaccinate so much and everyone wants the vaccine (erroneously) why are there so many crippled polio victims?

That is the question we need to address.
post #11 of 12
The Rotary Club distributes the injection vaccine, not the oral kind. They have a partnership with Rotary Club in Canada. Twice a year people from Canada travel to Chennai with the vaccines and attend events, then go back to Canada and report on it. Most of the money raised is by Canadians, and the shots are produced in Canada for distribution in Chennai. My dh got the injection I believe, because my MIL was suspicious about the oral form. She had dh seen by an expensive doctor who had all the latest treatments.

The Rotary Club also runs a program to distribute bedrolls, clothing and school supplies to children, and cloth diapers and other baby supplies (not formula) to infants. They run a school, provide free hot meals to other schools, and many other smaller projects on the side. Most of the children who get the vaccine go to the schools they sponsor, but they also reserve some for the public.

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0.1% will have life long disabilities.
If you count .1% of the population of India who gets polio, that's still a lot of people. It's so hard to explain unless you see it, how crowded that country is, how unorganized it is, and how many fall through the cracks. There is no social security or welfare or public health system in place that even makes a dent in taking care of the poor. I mean this is the country where child labor is still common and known about, and where bribery is almost expected with everyone from airline staff to police and even those who are supposed to protect children from bonded labor.

I have no real authority to say anything about percentages on who got the vax and what kind it was, but I can tell you with certaintly that most of the poor population is probably not vaxed. I used to see families building cooking fires on the sidewalk, mom, dad, 2 kids doing homework in their govt. school uniforms by the light of the cooking fire and the traffic whizzing by. Toddlers that were filthy, long matted hair, naked, begging i the middle of busy traffic. One looked like he had rickets, and was holding a dirty baby bottle filled with water he was walking around with. Once my rickshaw stopped in traffic and two kids ran up and grabbed my juice box right out of my hand and started drinking it. I also remember the sight of two naked girls about 5-6 years old and a toddler who was probably their sister, playing alongside a house made of old wood planks, old fabric, and whatever other material they could find. They were dragging each other on a strip of cardboard for fun.

And yes, there is so much pollution. I'm sure there are pesticides and God knows what. The air in Chennai tastes like exhaust fumes. I go out for errands and return with my face covered in grime, and it's not simple dust, it's pollutants. My asthma is awful when I'm there (one of the reasons I haven't gone back yet). The river that runs through town smells awful, esp. in the mornings. People pee into it, dump things in it, and it runs right through town. The poor bathe in it. The have no choice a lot of the time.

The last time I was there, there was a public education campaign against the burning of those horrid plastic shopping bags that everyone uses there now. There's no use for them. The garbage pickers usually take the string, paper, cardboard, and metal. The cows eat the organic waste. But those plastic bags just float around, get stuck in trees, get stuck in the intestines of cows and make them sick. So people started burning them along with their other garbage and it was releasing chemicals into the air. There is a rise of birth defects in the last 5 years, they think in part from the burning of plastic bags.

Anyway, getting off the subject a bit, but I really feel that these people are so vunerable to disease. If they get sick, they may get very, very sick.
post #12 of 12
You have described that so very well, and from some documentaries I've see, I felt like I was there. And gosh, I am so glad to be back.

Yes, in living conditions like you've portrayed here it is no wonder that disease runs amok. No matter what they inject. It's very sad.


P.S.
Beautiful kids.
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