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post #1 of 23
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Hi,

ok, it's a little early for my question sicne I am only TTC.

Anyway, when I am pregnant I plan on seeing an OB for several reasons but I plan on refusing any internal exams.I don't see the point and it makes me uncomfortable someone poking around there.

Why do they do them anyway?In case I'd be prone to miscarry I wouldn't have any invasive action anyway.

Do you see any problems I might be facing?Can they refuse to take me?

thanks!
post #2 of 23
I think OBs might refuse to take you, but I also see no reason for internals. My whole pregnancy/birth I had one. I was in labor and had been checking myself- but couldn't reach at that point. The midwife wanted to see how far I was so she could decide if she should stay or head back home.

good luck finding a hands-off (literally!) OB

-Angela
post #3 of 23
Talk to your Dr. - with both of my pregnancies, I had a pap at 8 weeks, just the q tip and nothing else - and only 1 internal after that at 39 weeks, I ended up going into labor the next day! It is completely possibly that this is something that you could find in a Dr!
post #4 of 23
I think no internals are a good idea but it's probably difficult to come by a provider who doesn't want to insist on some. You have plenty of time so shop around! Don't forget that this whole birth thing is a consumer business.
post #5 of 23
Initially, they want to look for abnormalities. If you've never had a vaginal exam before, that might be reasonable, although given a healthy medical history and no symptoms, it's probably unnecessary.

I think some like to do them to get a feel for the shape of the pelvis, because supposedly some pelvises are better for birthing than others, and I guess if you had a certain kind of pelvis they could make pre-judgements about the kind of birth you would have and therefore they could mentally prepare ahead of time for the way they would manage you.

They also like to look for effacement and dilation, so that if you're starting "too" early they can get worried about pre-labor and treat it.

And then, during labor of course, to determine when it's time for them to begin various interventions.

I would think most wouldn't outright refuse to take you (which, yes, they can do) but would probably give you a lot of grief about it, especially once you'd started labor. And some who could personally care less might feel like they have to do it to cover themselves if the hospital they work at should stick their nose into things. But hopefully you can find an exception! Good luck!
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by blueviolet
I think some like to do them to get a feel for the shape of the pelvis, because supposedly some pelvises are better for birthing than others, and I guess if you had a certain kind of pelvis they could make pre-judgements about the kind of birth you would have and therefore they could mentally prepare ahead of time for the way they would manage you.

They also like to look for effacement and dilation, so that if you're starting "too" early they can get worried about pre-labor and treat it.

And then, during labor of course, to determine when it's time for them to begin various interventions.
I blueviolet - you're awesome!
post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by love_homebirthing
I think no internals are a good idea but it's probably difficult to come by a provider who doesn't want to insist on some. You have plenty of time so shop around! Don't forget that this whole birth thing is a consumer business.
They can insist as much as they want to,I can be pretty persistent,too....like the time our ped wanted to x-ray my daughter for a normal cough
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by blueviolet
Initially, they want to look for abnormalities. If you've never had a vaginal exam before, that might be reasonable, although given a healthy medical history and no symptoms, it's probably unnecessary.

I think some like to do them to get a feel for the shape of the pelvis, because supposedly some pelvises are better for birthing than others, and I guess if you had a certain kind of pelvis they could make pre-judgements about the kind of birth you would have and therefore they could mentally prepare ahead of time for the way they would manage you.

They also like to look for effacement and dilation, so that if you're starting "too" early they can get worried about pre-labor and treat it.

And then, during labor of course, to determine when it's time for them to begin various interventions.

I would think most wouldn't outright refuse to take you (which, yes, they can do) but would probably give you a lot of grief about it, especially once you'd started labor. And some who could personally care less might feel like they have to do it to cover themselves if the hospital they work at should stick their nose into things. But hopefully you can find an exception! Good luck!
Thank you!But since I had an evently normal delivery with my daughter I don't think anything is wrong with my pelvis

I am not very impressible by god-in-white behaviour and I'm not shy about being outspoken myself.

I don't know how my gyn (she's also an OB) would react,but so far I like her.
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by love_homebirthing
I think no internals are a good idea but it's probably difficult to come by a provider who doesn't want to insist on some. You have plenty of time so shop around! Don't forget that this whole birth thing is a consumer business.

oh well, let them insist....*yawn*

With my daughter I always dreaded to go for the check ups just for that reason.So I'm just thinking why make life more complicated than it is already?
post #10 of 23
My experience has been they want to do an internal at your first appt regardless of all common sense.
I had had my annual w Pap in Aug 01 and in Sept 01 I was pregnant and they had the trays out to do a Pap along with VA state required screening for STDs. I was so pissed. I was told that I had to do the STD screens because it was state law -- hmmm, I still don't know enough to get out of that one w/o just flat leaving and saying no thank you.
I never was checked after that, not even before my sch c/s for which the L&D nurses told me I was in labor.
With my first and a different set of docs (woman on top of everything else), I was checked more. I was checked maybe 2X in my last trimester.
And at the hospital with no 1 -- I can't even remember how many times.
My mw was hands off and only checked me once during the pushing phase of labor.
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by Electra375
My experience has been they want to do an internal at your first appt regardless of all common sense.
I had had my annual w Pap in Aug 01 and in Sept 01 I was pregnant and they had the trays out to do a Pap along with VA state required screening for STDs. I was so pissed. I was told that I had to do the STD screens because it was state law -- hmmm, I still don't know enough to get out of that one w/o just flat leaving and saying no thank you.
I never was checked after that, not even before my sch c/s for which the L&D nurses told me I was in labor.
With my first and a different set of docs (woman on top of everything else), I was checked more. I was checked maybe 2X in my last trimester.
And at the hospital with no 1 -- I can't even remember how many times.
My mw was hands off and only checked me once during the pushing phase of labor.
What is STD?State Law?Where can I find out if that's the law in MN?
post #12 of 23
It really depends on the OB how much he/she will try to "insist", mine isn't big on internals.

I've only had one internal exam throughout this pregnancy - it was just last week and really I was just getting my Strep B test done and he asked if I wanted him to check for dilation while I was like that! :LOL I didn't have one early in pregnancy because I had just had a pap smear done a couple of months earlier, although if it had been a year then he would have done an exam then as well.
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by huggerwocky
What is STD?State Law?Where can I find out if that's the law in MN?
Sexually Transmitted Disease (STD) Clamidia and Gonorhea -- I was told it was required. But I hate how they still require all babies to have eye goop regardless of method of birth. The eye goop is an antibiotic used to prevent blindness from gonorhea -- so if I test negative for gonorhea, why is my baby via c/s given eye goop!!! (Of course, I know the answer, but it is still irritating.)

I would do a word search on your states homepage www.state.mn.us
Something like "prenatal testing", it might take you to your states board of health or department of health.

You can always call an OBs office and ask too.
post #14 of 23
You MUST consent to any medical procedure completed on you, so regardless of what state "law" says you ALWAYS have the right to refuse. They may say they won't care for you, or you may be required to sign some kind of release, but they CANNOT EVER force a medical procedure on you. I hate hoe some doc try to take away patient rights by hiding under some supposed "law".
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by calebsmama03
You MUST consent to any medical procedure completed on you, so regardless of what state "law" says you ALWAYS have the right to refuse. They may say they won't care for you, or you may be required to sign some kind of release, but they CANNOT EVER force a medical procedure on you. I hate hoe some doc try to take away patient rights by hiding under some supposed "law".

good to know that!
post #16 of 23
Yep. I signed the papers when admitted in early labor with twins and wrote in that they couldn't do anything w/o my permission. Normally the papers hand over the judgment calls to them. I forbade them doing an episiotomy and everything. I am not sure where I stood legally but they did back off.

I did have to sign some releases on some of the nb things I refused.

I believe that it may be against some religions to do internal exams? I think that some of the folks my homebirth midwife assists are strictly against them.

Best wishes.
post #17 of 23
I never had internals until I request a few during labour. Internals to check for dilation/effacement doesn't mean anything. My mw was dilated 5cms for 5 weeks. My mw said some caregivers like to feel like they are in control of the situation, which, of course, they are not. Frequent vaginal exams can also causes infections.
post #18 of 23
Here in the UK the midwives don't do any internal exams at all till you're in labour. Yay.

When I had DS in CA I had a back-up OB who told me at about 38 weeks I had a high chance of having a C-section because my son's head was big and my pelvis the "wrong shape". My m/w's and reading Birthing From Within (Pam England) helped me realise he was talking BS. And I gave birth at home to my big headed DS quite happily.

The more interventions, the more unnecessary fear created, IMO, and that includes prenatal interventions.

Good luck finding the right provider.
post #19 of 23
I asked a similar question about a year ago, and I found this post helpful for the reasoning of the first trimester pelvic exam:

If the pap is due, we usually go ahead and do it in the first trimester, along with STD swabbing, if mom wants. We haven't ever had any problem of a mom having a miscarriage or any problems after the pap.

One thing is that we always wait until the second appointment. I think it is a terrible howdy-do....hello, I'm your midwife, welcome to the practice, now strip down and let me poke around a bit.

On our first visit, we always just go over the client's health and personal history,and draw lab work.

One thing our midwives like to do is measure the cervix. It has happened a coupel of times that a mom has a naturally short cervix. Then, if mom has any problems later on, and a VE is performed that finds a short cervix, it is noted on the chart already whether that is normal for the mom, or whether some change has occured. It has kept a couple of moms away from that "threatened preterm labor" label.

And actually, since we do well woman exams, too, we now note the length of cervix on every woman of childbearing age, so that it doesn't come into question later. I know that cervical length can change, depending upon where one is in one's cycle. But I still think it is good to note (along with where she is in her cycle), for possible future reference.

Pelvimetry (measuring the pelvic outlet, and checking what "type" of pelvis you have) is somewhat helpful. But, unless something incredibly odd is noted, it isn't extremely informative either. Until labor, no one knows how much your pelvis will relax and open up. So much depends on such variable factors---baby's position, mom's position and activity, etc.

If you don't want the exam, it isn't so important that you MUST have it. Just refuse politely. It shouldn't be a big deal. For some moms, we would rather know it is a big deal, and avoid it all together. Just tell your provider how you feel -- you aren't at risk for STDs, you are sure of your dates, you are current on your paps, and you simply don't want anyone else in there at this time--plus, your pelvis is "proven" in that you have already had a child. I would rather have one of our clients refuse the exam, knowing that she was "feeling protective of that space." If she is feeling that protective, that is a good sign, to me, that she is going to take great care of herself, for her baby.

HTH
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by Electra375
Sexually Transmitted Disease (STD) Clamidia and Gonorhea -- I was told it was required. But I hate how they still require all babies to have eye goop regardless of method of birth. The eye goop is an antibiotic used to prevent blindness from gonorhea -- so if I test negative for gonorhea, why is my baby via c/s given eye goop!!! (Of course, I know the answer, but it is still irritating.)
OT... but why do they still give the goop if you test negative? I'm in VA also so same laws apply....
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