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post #141 of 157
Hi all. I'm subscribing to this thread... I was told when DS was a baby last year that I have 4 cavities- yikes! It's been years since I've had one. I guess pregnancy, nursing, then pregnancy with #2 depleted me.

I got a composite filled for a new surface but there are a couple where the amalgam (sp?) needs to be removed and composites put in. I've been holding off until DS weans but they are starting to hurt a little. I ordered some more Blue Ice cod liver oil and finally ordered the butter oil to try to help my teeth and body out.

In the meantime I have an appt. with a mercury free dentist for next month. Can't wait to see what he says about my mouth LOL. I'm going to wait as long as I can, hopefully until DS weans before touching those mercury fillings....
Everyone, keep posting your experiences!

-Kelly
post #142 of 157
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Originally Posted by granolamomma View Post
I have an appt with an IOAMT dentist this Friday and I am utterly heartbroken to know I need to wean dd this week. She's 20 months and only nurses once a day (unless she's sick or gets hurt) but I cry every time I think about it. I've done the research and know I'm mercury toxic, and we'll want to get pg again in a year or so, so I feel like this is the window to do it. I just feel like I'm making a bad decision by not letting her CLW, even though logically I really do feel like this is the best decision overall, kwim?

I don't think I have any point to this post , I just wanted to vent to those who would understand how sad I am.
i could have written your post - my dd is also 20 months and I we are also wanting to get pregnant soon! I picked up some books like "How weaning happens" and sometimes I just have to stop reading it because I'm so emotional. I am so torn about it but, like you, i feel that logically it is the best decision...
post #143 of 157
I'm confused. My IOMNT/merc free dentist said that I need not wean my 10 month old because of all of the precautions they take. They said I should just pump for the day of the procedure- I'm getting 2 fillings replaced and won't be chelating. Thoughts?
post #144 of 157
that's what mine says, too, but i'm too scared to get them removed while BFing. despite the precautions, where does the mercury go? i'd love to hear otherwise cause i'd love to get these removed ASAP.

she gave me some name of a researcher to look into to have amalgams removed while bfing, but, of course, i don't remember the name of the study.

looking to hear more.
post #145 of 157
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Originally Posted by Richie'sMama View Post
that's what mine says, too, but i'm too scared to get them removed while BFing. despite the precautions, where does the mercury go? i'd love to hear otherwise cause i'd love to get these removed ASAP.

she gave me some name of a researcher to look into to have amalgams removed while bfing, but, of course, i don't remember the name of the study.

looking to hear more.
I'd like to see that study. As far as I know, not much research has been done on b'feeding moms.

Will you please let me know if you find it, or the researcher's name?

Personally, I wouldn't touch them even if they took every precaution in the book.
post #146 of 157

Chipped tooth - amalgam?

I'm so glad I found this thread. I had a hair test done 4 years ago to see if I had high mercury levels before trying to get pregnant. I didn't, so I let my many amalgam fillings remain. I now have a beautiful 3 year old DS.

Just tonight, I felt a rough spot on a back tooth. Sure enough, it's one with a major amalgam filling in it. I think I chewed and swallowed the chipped piece. I can't tell if it was a corner of the tooth or the edge of the amalgam.

Anyway, I'm really concerned. My 3 yr old DS still nurses 5-6 rimes a day! He'll be up soon to nurse and won't take no for an answer when he's tired.

I don't know what to do. I was leaving them until he weaned, but now I may have chipped it and could be leaching mercury.

I read a lot this evening from a search I did and from recommendations from the many helpful posts here. Still, though, I can't seem to glean a concensus or strong direction over whether it is better to leave a potentially leaching filling or remove it (using stringent IAOMT guidelines).

Any new experiences, info, etc?

THanks so much
post #147 of 157
Hi. I spoke with a holistic dentist this morning. They will see me on Friday for a consult, but when it came to the safety of bfing, they said call your pediatrician.

All my (traditional) ped would prob tell me is to wean because he's 3.

I tried a wholistic peds office and the nurse said she wouldn't tell me to stop bfing. But, they also wouldn't tell me it was safe.

What's a mom to do????

I didn't nurse him last night or today. It was very sad, he just cried quietly while I held him. Today, he's asking why nummies are sick and when they'll be better. I'm about to pump and dump, but I don't know the answer.
post #148 of 157
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I'm confused. My IOMNT/merc free dentist said that I need not wean my 10 month old because of all of the precautions they take. They said I should just pump for the day of the procedure- I'm getting 2 fillings replaced and won't be chelating. Thoughts?
I have thoughts, but the caveat is that my situation may be different. Mercury is contributing to my current health problems so I think it's clear that my body doesn't excrete it well. I think my son (17mo) is the same. We're GFCF due to this. That said... the HCP I'm working with seems pretty knowledgeable about mercury, and her concern about me getting my amalgams replaced while nursing is a) the exposure that day, despite the precautions, and b) how much/soon my body will start mobilizing the various deposits of mercury in me after the amalgams are out and there's no new, daily input.

From my reading and her experiences, some people have nasty detox reactions really fast (like the next day) and some people never do. But I think the detox reactions are mercury (and possibly other toxins? since it seems like the lack of new daily mercury could allow the body to deal with more than it could before) moving around--and if it's moving around, that's in the bloodstream and it would move into the milk at the same level.

So for me, I'm working on my health (which is poor but moving up to fair) and will wean after Christmas when I think my son will be done teething, and then I'll get these things out. And then start the chelation process (not sure how quickly to start that, I think that'll be a see-how-it-goes kind of thing).

I'm bummed about weaning him early for many reasons. It was a hard decision in some ways. But it came down to balancing our needs. And for us, while I can try to meet his needs for cuddling and touching in other ways, it's becoming clear that it's imperative for my health to get these things out and start ridding my body of the accumulated mercury. But honestly, I'm putting off thinking about the actual weaning and how I'm going to do it because it seems really hard.

My son doesn't have blatant mercury toxicity symptoms--there are really only two, the first I attribute to mercury even though I don't think it's on a real list--he didn't crawl right, and although I did a lot of reading on crawling, the way it looked made me think that something in his brain wasn't wired correctly from left-to-right (a coordination type of thing). Maybe that's just coincidence, but this was really ringing my alarms, way before I knew that my fillings were a problem. It wasn't just a non-traditional cross-crawl, to me it looked like a real lack of the ability to coordinate the left and right halves of his body. But with practice and modeling (my daughter and I had lots of crawling races for a while), he got really motivated and tried and tried (it was almost painful to watch at times, because he so wanted to move but couldn't make his arms and legs work together), but then he got it, and after a while he was doing a great cross-crawl. The other is more classic, in that he started banging his head on things. Doing a bunch of nutritional supplements that help detox pathways has stopped that (yeah! I feel like shouting to the world, but I don't know anyone who understands enough to do more than give me a puzzled look).

Anyway, I guess this is mostly a ramble. I'm not really knowledgeable (that should be obvious). I've been trying to learn from the Chelating Mamas thread, and various reading. I hope I know a bit more come January and (hopefully) it's time for replacement with composites.

Gardenday--One thought. We're mitigating the effects of the daily mercury in my milk to my son with nutritional supplements. It's sort of a modified DAN! protocol from what I gather. One way to consider would be finding a well-respected DAN! doctor in your area (or an expert in environmental medicine, like my HCP, but that seems harder) and, if you don't think you're having health problems due to the mercury, and your little one isn't either, do something like this to help with excreting what may be higher levels for a few months.

One other thought--not sure how accurate the test was, but a few years ago, I did a hair test for mercury, and it was low. I think this was because my body doesn't get rid of it efficiently. For me, it wasn't clear that mercury was playing a role until I had stressful life events that triggered health problems, and then we (HCP and I) realized that the mercury had made me susceptible to them. But it seems just as likely that someone with a low test means that their body gets rid of it just fine, and has been doing so at a steady state for years. How's that for nothing helpful?
post #149 of 157
Tanya,

What supplements are you using? I have a 15 month old who I think is a 'little' funky -- very sensitive hearing, poor sleeper, picky about food textures, not walking yet (but talking. yay!). We're doing Omegas and vitamins and probiotics. Anything I'm missing?

BTW, I have a mouth full of mercury but I can't touch 'em yet because of the picky eating issue and I get sick everytime I pump! What a balancing act.

thanks!

- paula
post #150 of 157
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
Gardenday--One thought. We're mitigating the effects of the daily mercury in my milk to my son with nutritional supplements. It's sort of a modified DAN! protocol from what I gather. One way to consider would be finding a well-respected DAN! doctor in your area (or an expert in environmental medicine, like my HCP, but that seems harder) and, if you don't think you're having health problems due to the mercury, and your little one isn't either, do something like this to help with excreting what may be higher levels for a few months.

One other thought--not sure how accurate the test was, but a few years ago, I did a hair test for mercury, and it was low. I think this was because my body doesn't get rid of it efficiently. For me, it wasn't clear that mercury was playing a role until I had stressful life events that triggered health problems, and then we (HCP and I) realized that the mercury had made me susceptible to them. But it seems just as likely that someone with a low test means that their body gets rid of it just fine, and has been doing so at a steady state for years. How's that for nothing helpful?

Thanks Tanya. I spoke to a wholistic pediatrician yesterday and he emailed me the DAN! protocol to read. He also recently did a roundtable discussion on the topic. It's on www.wholisticpeds.com under the "in the news" link. Thankfully my little one doesn't have health problems. I do, but don't know if mercury has anything to do with it. I'll explore more once he's done nursing.

Regarding the hair test, the wholistic ped told me that the hair test only shows what you excrete. People can store the mercury, so they may have high levels, but it doesn't show up in the hair test. I think the chelating test has a better chance. There is also a urine test option. He was very knowledgeable.
Thanks for your thoughts,
post #151 of 157
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Originally Posted by Richie'sMama View Post
Tanya,

What supplements are you using? I have a 15 month old who I think is a 'little' funky -- very sensitive hearing, poor sleeper, picky about food textures, not walking yet (but talking. yay!). We're doing Omegas and vitamins and probiotics. Anything I'm missing?

BTW, I have a mouth full of mercury but I can't touch 'em yet because of the picky eating issue and I get sick everytime I pump! What a balancing act.

thanks!

- paula
Paula,
The wholistic pediatrician I spoke to recommended I take higher doses of Vit C and Zinc to help excrete the metal. He also recommended a precursor to glutathione, unless I have Candida issues, in which case he recommended a topical form. Sounds like the DAN! protocol could help you too.

Regarding not being able to touch your current fillings yet, I thought you might appreciate this info. The ped said that the mercury in amalgams is elemental mercury. It is rapidly absorbed when inhaled (so when it vaporizes as they are removed). Note: approp precautions can really reduce this. But the oral absorption rate of mercury is only 0.01% for the mother. Only a small % of what's ingested by the mom (i.e., if a filling was swallowed) gets into the breastmilk,so only 0.00001% is absorbed by the child.

No one wants their child to ingest mercury, but this info made me feel a lot better about my amalgams and also solidified my decision not to have them removed until I was done nursing (unless they were really damaged and coming out).

Rose
post #152 of 157
Thanks, Rose.

I'm taking Vit. C, Zinc, Selenium, Probiotics, CLO, cal/mag and a multi. Phew! Hoping it helps the little guy. I have tons of yeast issues. I tried Oil of Oregano but got a nasty yeast infection. I guess it was working!

thanks for the info re the mercury in my mouth. I know it's affecting me. My memory is awful and I'm such a crab. Better when I eat well (duh!) I'm mostly GFCF, but today I had some cheese and watch out!

thanks again.

- paula
post #153 of 157
Hi Paula,

We're doing a multi, extra zinc and magnesium, melatonin (really helped with the sleep, apparently the mercury messes up how the body uses its own melatonin, is my layperson's understanding), and bowel tolerance vitC. And I almost forgot the B-complex (heavy on B6) and a sublingual B12.

The vitC started pretty high (8g/day spread over 4 doses, but my daughter who isn't affected by the mercury as far as I can tell is actually a _lot_ higher) and came down by about 1g/wk and when it got relatively low (still too high, but more realistic for a 27-pound person), that's when his head-banging stopped. If that hadn't worked, my HCP said the next step would've been glutathione, which was a bit scary (somehow, since these are just vitamins & minerals, it seemed less drastic). And probiotics (supplements and I'm working on fermented veggies--the salsa is good, water kefir is good, and just yesterday my daughter tried and liked the ginger carrots, yeah!--my son isn't interested yet), and I give them cod liver oil, partly for the A&D and partly for the DHA. I haven't run the CLO part by my HCP yet--it's hard to weigh the possible risk of (presumably very low level) mercury contamination with all the positives.

Writing all that out, it's a lot--and it seemed that way for the first month or so, but now it's getting so that it's just part of the routine, albeit a pain.

I wouldn't have had a clue how to do this on my own. I'm glad I found, through a friend of a friend, a HCP who seems to know her way around mercury. From the little reading I've done, this is a stripped-down version of what DAN doctors tend to do for autistic kids.

Do you have anyone you're working with? I've been okay doing some things health-wise on my own, but this mercury thing just came out of left field, and I still feel like I'm floundering. What clued you in that this could be mercury? I've gotta say, I never gave a thought to the fillings in my mouth, and I had no idea they'd turn out lives upside-down.
post #154 of 157
Rose, would it be possible to email me the DAN protocol he sent you? I am really interested. And I'll definitely go to that link you put up. I had no idea there were wholistic pediatricians--I don't know why it never occurred to me, but it hadn't. I can PM you my email address.

Paula, JaneS put up some info a while back (here in Dental and also in The Thyroid Thread in H&H) about iodine and selenium working best together, and the benefits of supplementing both at the same time. You might want to search for JaneS and iodine (if you're up for adding anything, I am just maintaining my supplements and monitoring the kids, and that's all I can handle now, along with trying to cook really good foods for us). It's just a thought, but since it came up in the thyroid thread, which was one of my first health problems in this little spiral, it was very interesting to me.
post #155 of 157
Thanks for all the info. Whew! I can barely get in the few things that we are doing.

My older DS sees a DAN! so we're doing a lot of stuff that he's recommended.

Thanks.

- paula
post #156 of 157
Tanya,
Sure. PM me your email and I'll send it. By the way the wholistic ped does telephone appts if you're interested. He is not cheap, but he is very knowledgeable.

Rose
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