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post #61 of 74
I am most interested in winter time, gardening/food production, and how kids dealt with/enjoyed it. And bug & rodent issues/stories.


But I will listen to anythig you care to babble about too!
post #62 of 74
I feel like a little girl with pigtail braids sitting in my nightie saying, "Another story, please, Wemoon, pretty please?" Oh and what part of the country was this? (My imagination wants to know, Northern Canada I would imagine differently than Arizona.)
post #63 of 74
Wow, I forgot about this thread! I remember reading this thread right before we took the plunge and bought our land and feeling like at least there are other people out there who have lived unusual lifestyles with kids. Hope you all don't mind me butting in with my story. Right now we live off grid and have for the last three years. We have built completely by ourselves a small strawbale house with a homemade composting toilet and woodstove heat. The home is passive solar with lots of overhanging porch to protect our bales and create outdoor rooms where I will eventually have an outdoor kitchen for my canning, brewing and cooking in the summer. The bales are covered with hand applied earthen plasters that I have mixed one bucket at a time. Our well has a handpump for water and I haul lots of buckets of water everyday. Hopefully by the end of the summer we will have running water and a more permanent solar set up. But in many ways I feel the upgrade is unnecessary.

I grow all of our produce in a very large garden and I am growing more staple crops like potatoes, wheat, oats, quinoa, amaranth, and field corn for ourselves and our animals (in addition to pasture and brush grazing). I also am growing an orchard and a permaculture style forest garden with persimmons, pawpaws, gooseberries, goumis and other unusual fruits and some perennial vegatables. I raise nubian dairy goats for milk and make cheese, yogurt and kefir. We raise chicken and ducks for egss, meat and also weed and slug control. We also keep bees for lots of honey and pollination. I am a passionate winter gardener and we eat kale, spinach, hardy salad greens like mache, cabbage and root vegatables from the garden and cold frames all winter as well as canned, dried and root cellared produce. I also gather many wild edible and medicinal plants to supplement our diet. We get all our firewood from the property and have done a lot of planting of native trees to increase diversity. I sell some of our produce and do bartering especially with honey.

I have three kids, so much of my day is spent juggling homestead chores, homeschooling, and nursing my toddler. It is fun but it can be really overwhelming. I do laundry with a washboard and wringer so that is very time consuming. Right now I am trying to get all my early spring planting in so I feel really busy. The kids love living this way and I am constantly amazed at how flexible children are. My kids love playing outside, eating from the garden and bathing in front of the woodstove in a washtub. In the winter I pile wool blankets and comforters on the beds and we all sleep together to stay warm, and during the day the camp out in front of the woodstove. When my youngest was a newborn it was really hard, I was overwhelmed with washing diapers and wet bedding but we dealt with it.

I am amazed at how few accidents we have had with the oil lamps, woodstove, open fires and sharp tools all over the place. When my middle son was about 4 he took a stick and started whacking on one of our beehives. I heard that cry that means something is really wrong and I see him surrounded by bees. My dh ran and grabbed him, brushed off as many bees as he could, handed him to me and then ran for it with all the bees chasing him. I took ds into the pumphouse, got the remaining bees off and found he had only a few stings on each hand as for once he was fully dressed and his long hair had protected his face. Needless to say he never bothered the bees after that.

I have had to assist goat birthings and we have had animals die. I can now butcher our meat expertly and make some good homemade sausage. I have driven 2 hours with a dead skunk in my car to get it tested for rabies because it had snuck in with my goats. Recently a mauled deer was found on my property and I am wondering if there may be a mountain lion around.
Overall I love this life; though we have to compromise (we have a car and a cell phone, for example), we are trying to create a meaningful life for ourselves and our kids and lessen our impact on the world at the same time.
So often I look at the beams of our little house or my beds in the garden and think how lucky I am; and sometimes I am near to tears trying to fit all the milking, planting, preserving, nursing, reading, baking, knitting and everything else in to one day. I am also positive about how much more I need to do; I plan on getting sheep for wool and meat, angora rabbits, more fruit trees, increase food production so I can do a stand at the farmer's market or a CSA, this year we want to put in a smaller swim pond and a large pond, the south porch needs to be cobbed and glassed in for a greenhouse...I figure at least dh and I are doing this while we are young and full of energy. I don't have a computer (or the power to run one) so my MDC time is limited to when we go to the library or the few times a month we visit friends and family, but I save lots of time by not having the internet as a constant distraction.
post #64 of 74
farmer mama, thank you so much for posting! You are an inspiration, especially as you yourself were inspired by this thread to begin with, and came back with a success story. I am so tickled by that. It tells me I can do this, too.

Where are you located, if you don't mind saying? At least tell us your planting zone...it helps us northerly folk get an idea of how feasible what you're doing would be for us in our relatively short season. Your life sounds wonderful to me, even with the hard work and sometimes-overwhelmed-ness you describe.

And thanks also to wemoon for starting this thread in 2005 and jumping in to continue responding in 2008. I am eager to hear more of your experiences, and anyone else who has had similar.

We are fixing up our house to put on the market next spring (slow going because of $$ and time), and our plan will likely have us off-grid for several years at least. The biggest thing I'm doing in preparation is changing my mindset (and influencing our habits away from energy usage and toward conservation of supplies and water).

farmer mama, what have you done to keep things as safe as possible with oil lamps? I am curious about that. I have active kids and DH is very nervous about the idea of using them. We acquired one, but haven't tried it out yet.

This thread is exciting and inspiring!
post #65 of 74
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I am most interested in winter time, gardening/food production, and how kids dealt with/enjoyed it. And bug & rodent issues/stories.
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Oh and what part of the country was this? (My imagination wants to know, Northern Canada I would imagine differently than Arizona.)
My home was located in central Minnesota, so winter was a loooooong season! I think I talked quite a bit about what kinds of things went on in the winter, like having to unthaw the pump, how easy it was to have hot water and a place to cook, and having constant refrigeration. I did not mention where we got our wood at for the stove. We had a guy from northern MN who was a logger. We would buy a semi load of logs each year from this guy. They were mostly fallen trees or logs that couldn't be used for other purposes. Sometimes if we had wood left over from last year, we would split a semi load between households.

Then we were out there with chainsaws (yes, I ran one of them!) cutting the logs down and then splitting them with a splitting maul. My arms were so strong from cutting, splitting, and hauling wood! We'd haul the wood to inside our house so that it could start thawing and drying out because wet wood produces absolutely no heat and just sizzles inside the stove. I remember laying wood on top of the wood stove to try to get it dried out before I needed it.

Winter is such a dark season. I would go to bed so early because after it became dark, there was really not much that I could do. We used candles for light, so sometimes I read or played cards by candle light, but it just became natural to want to go to sleep at 7:00pm because it had already been dark for 3 hours. Even now, with access to all that electricity has to offer, I prefer very dimmed lights in the evening. I will even read with the lights super dimmed and when other people are over, they get frustrated because they can't see anything!

During the last few months that I lived there, I was able to wire up some electricity. I will tell about that next time I can get online. Right now I gotta go get my day started!
post #66 of 74
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Where are you located, if you don't mind saying?
I am in Oregon, it the wetter, warmer Western part of the state, about zone 7. I know, I'm spoiled with a nice long growing season. We do get snow and freezing temps as I am in the foothills of the Cascade mountains, but nothing like you northern ladies. With the oil lamps I put them high out of my toddler's reach but the older kids have been seriously drilled about the fire hazard, and I have a fire extinguisher just in case. Most people ask how we did this financially; we bought a preforclosure fixer upper in the country on a large lot that we fixed up while we gardened, raised chickens and learn some of this stuff, then sold the house when the market was really hot, and bought our land. It has taken way more money then we had anticipated to build the house and get set up and dh works off farm as a music teacher so we have outside income and he is off in the summer when we are really busy. For us our goal has been for this to be sustainable for us as a family, because I know lots of people who have done this for a few years and the mom couldn't deal anymore with it, or the relationship fell apart or whatever, so we have been conscious of what my needs are and not getting too isolated and also things like our house is a permitted dwelling. I have known too many people who have had lots of stress and grief trying to get by without the county knowing about their home. We have put everything we have both energetically and financially into our land so we have to make this work for the long term. Anyhow, I'm off, I will check in on this thread in about a week!
post #67 of 74
That is some awesome hard work you've done!
post #68 of 74
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I feel like a little girl with pigtail braids sitting in my nightie saying, "Another story, please, Wemoon, pretty please?" Oh and what part of the country was this?
Loving this post, such an inspiration. I have similar dreams of homesteading one day, but right now they're at the very distant planning stage. In the mean time thank you for sharing your stories!
post #69 of 74
Bump!
post #70 of 74
This thread is awesome. DH & I are considering selling our house and building a cob/strawbale house. I can't wait to hear more success stories!
post #71 of 74
Dang..
It took me almost 30 mins to be able to use this site..lol
It was this tread that drew my interest

I am considering living off grid
but not willing to give up electricity or running water

I saw a few complain of lack of electricity
Solar and Wind are excellent for this
Heating hot water is easy (doing mostly with solar water heaters)

I see a few have said they have dirt floors

Well i am doing quite a bit of home work on how best to do this
I have 26 acres in Pa
Will eventually use the trailer as a guest room/house

Am going to dig a hole 35 ft deep
33 ft wide by 38 ft long
using concrete 4 ft thick all 4 sides
making a level every 8.5 ft (with floors/ceiling being a ft thick)

this will give me 3 underground floors of 25ft by 30 ft (usable)
one floor semi underground
will add another floor above main floor at entrance

for the floor and half above ground will be some 3 to 5 ft of earth/dirt
will on top floor add a kitchen with built in solar oven

will heat yr round with solar water heaters the water
because 3 levels fully underground
as well as top 2 adding ground above it

this should give me Extreme insulation
alllowing/enabling me to use low power electric heaters
(about 300 watts each tops 3 such heaters)

with various solar and wind power and various passive heating and cooling....along with well planned electric usage

it should be extremely comfortable year round
even with near 100 degrees in summer
as well as sometimes sub zero in winters

my property has a huge pond (320 ft by 365 ft and 28 ft deep)
i will use antennas to reach cell towers 2 mountian tops away for phone and internet (as well as using cable internet that is just in the area)
directtv for tv and already have a few antennas for my ham radio equipment

anyways i like how i read how someone else bought 10 acres in hawaii
i will consider doing the same once i finish this project
(then will replicate the things that worked well for me in hawaii )

Nice thread though
post #72 of 74
I've had a lot of fun reading this far
post #73 of 74
i remember following this thread when it originated nice to see you adding to it again, wemoon!
post #74 of 74
Would LOVE to hear more.....especially regarding the MN part. I am a bit partial.

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