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post #21 of 44
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Originally Posted by momto l&a
MT, in Levy's book most of the vitamin C mentioned in the studies he compiled was given by IV or injection. The Dr that got you going on C did he ever mention giving C that way?
Oops, sorry. Stuffing my face on peaches and missed your post.

Yes he does. But the problem is that most doctors don't even belief in anything above 60mg vitamin C a day, let alone that vitamin C can be used to good effect in higher doses.

so to get anyone to do that, is very hard.

The other interesting thing is in working with Dr Archie Kalokerinos, who also has written three books now, all of which deal in some way with vitamin C, he says that in his clinical practice, he has noticed that Vitamin C potentiates antibiotics. He only uses 2/3rds the normal dose of antibiotics.

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I would be interested in giving C that way should the need ever arise because of the vast amounts that can be gotten into the body in a short period of time.

What are your thoughts?
My thoughts are, theoretically, if you get enough into you every day, your body should never get to the point where you would need to consider that.

The only diseases that I would consider would need that sort of intervention are haemorrhagic meningitis, (which can be of any variant. The minute you see skin petechia, you know huge amounts of vitamin C are called for... ) But even then, I wouldn't be waiting to find someone capable or willing to administer it through the drip. I'd be getting it in hand over fist orally, because time is of the essence.

The other diseases would be Ebola and Haemorrhagic Smallpox in the event of some terrorist outbreak. Given that Alibek is convinced that should terrorists use smallpox, it would be an Ebola/smallpox/camel pox, or some deviant like combination.

(In which case, of course, the proposed USA plan to smallpox vaccinate the country would only be of use in order to temporarily quell public paranoia. Until, that is, it became obvious that the vaccine was unmatched to the new variant.)

But in day to day life, most common infections, including Pertussis, should never get to the point where you would need to consider intravenous injections, providing that you get enough every day.

In talking to the nutritional doctors today, its incredible how common vitamin C deficiency is amongst supposedly normal people. Even more frightening are basic mineral deficiencies like magnesium and zinc. People think that because they are walking around talking they are fine, when in fact, huge numbers out there have deficiencies they have no idea about.

and that applies to babies too.

See here:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?...jectID=9006061


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post #22 of 44
to you and you family. Please let us know how your daughter is doing as you are able.
post #23 of 44
How where those peaches?

So toxins would no doubt require C by IV but if we are taking the right amount of C a day then most diseases shouldnt be a problem. Correct? I have someone lined up to do an IV should we need one. Though like you mentioned time is of essance.

Thats disturbing about vitamin deficiencies. I know for myself that my dd gets a funny patch of skin on her leg when she doesnt take her vitamins for over 2 weeks. Have no clue unfortunatley what she is deficient in though. I as a child had many earaches till my Mom discovered I needed A.

We have a friend that has ALS and I am trying to get him to get his dr (some type of a natural one) to do vit C by IV. Levy mentioned in his book about Vit C and ALS though it was a very short mention unfortunately.

Ok now that I have taken this thread off topic I am going to go take some C
Thanks to you MT all who know me are getting to know the virtues of C :LOL
post #24 of 44
Thread Starter 
Okay, don't have a lot of time here & haven't yet fully read your reply MT. I am mega dosing my ds, dd1 & myself. I started taking a lot of vitamin C Friday (the day we were admitted to the ER) and was taking 12000 to 15000mg the entire time we were in the hospital. I have no doubt that that is why we are home now. The cough wouldn't have improved otherwise Lila would've ended up in the NICU. I have noticed how much it helps & we will continue to dose in this manner until we're all better.

I took dd2 to the ER b/c a) I did not have a full understanding of the vitamin C therapy b) I felt time was of the essence and I didn't have enough information at the time to feel comfortable treating at home. I would really be stupid to keep her home based on the recommendation of some posts I read on a bb. If she had died, how could I ever justify that to myself. Yes, now that I have more information I know I can manage this myself. Had I been prepared I could've handled it from the get go. But you know what? I still haven't been able to find sodium ascorbate from any local source. I am continueing to mega dose myself instead. I can handle drinking the water mixed with ascorbic acid.

I just printed out your posts so that I can read them more thoroughly & post a comprehensive reply.


Oh and if my doctor had picked this up in my 6 year old before the baby ever presented any symptoms it would TOTALLY have made a difference!!! DUH! I could've researched this & found all of this information & been ready & prepared to treat my dd's.
post #25 of 44
Thanks so much for checking in! I'm sure you're quite busy, but if you are able, please let us know how your Dd (and your two older kids, too of course!) is doing! I'm so glad to hear she's home from the hospital!! That is frustrating that the Dr. didn't pick up on it!! s
post #26 of 44
Thread Starter 
Well, thank god for the vitamin C & the excellent advice I received from MT & others. I haven't been able to find sodium ascorbate locally, but I did find a place that will order it for me, I'm going to call back & place an order today. Thomas J. & Claire are taking vitamin C in mega doses of 8-10 500mg chewable tablets per day. Luckily, they love it! I am taking 1000mg pills & drinking the sour ascorbic acid. Luckily I have a palate for sour, I love sour candy & drink lemon water sometimes.

After getting home from the hospital I slacked a bit on my C intake & within 12 hours I noticed Lila getting worse. Pumped those levels back up & she's managing better. Talk about proof!

Thanks for all the prayers, well wishes & advice!!! Your help means the world to my family.
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post #28 of 44
Oh, I'm so happy you're all continuing to do better!!!! That's so amazing about vitamin C. It's frustrating that it's not used in the mainstream for other little babies (or anyone!) who gets pertussis.
post #29 of 44
I was on Bronssons looking for the sodium ascorbate and couldnt find it. I usually buy mine from Vitago but was interested in other brands as well is one better over hte other?

thanks
amy
post #30 of 44
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post #31 of 44
I've used sodium ascorbate by both Source Naturals and NOW Foods. I prefer Source Naturals but my little shop usually only has the NOW so that's what I've got at the moment. I've ordered the Source Naturals online from VNF Nutrition before.
post #32 of 44
To AMum.

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Glad you've got it sussed.

post #33 of 44
Momtezuma - thanks so much for your informative posts - thanks for caring enough to spread the word.

My 4 y.o. is doing fairly well with his whooping cough - one major coughing session during the night, and he is getting between 1 gram and 2 grams of ascorbic acid/day. He is one month into the disease and I began the Vit. C 9 days ago.

However my 4 month old has began to do little coughs for the last 3 days, very infrequently. I am currently taking a nutritional supplement that has 1 gram of Vit. C and lots of Vit. A and many minerals. I was trying to dose baby with ascorbic acid in the liquid form, which as I try to give him more of, he is not tolerating. So, It looks like I'll just drink the liquid - or give it to the 4 y.o. and increase my dosage. Thankfully, I have time to get my dosage up.

And... talking to the moms of the kids that my boy was around (not many, thankfully) it sounds like most of the kids are coming down with it. And they are all well vaxed kids.

Don't want to hijack the thread... just want to keep it on the top, cuz all the information is sooo good.
(and I'm very jealous of those peaches.)
post #34 of 44
Thread Starter 
I've learned first hand that the ascorbic acid either directly into or through breastfeeding is no good for a tiny baby. My dd2 ended up with a horrible rash (mostly facial, but sore bum too) & a cranky disposition. I've switched to children's chewables & things are much improved. Rash is fading, baby is happier. I hate the chewables, but its worth it, yanno? We're giving my (soon to be) 6 yo ds 6g/day and my 2.5 yo 8g/day. I'm still trying to stay up around 10g/day for the baby.

for MT, what a mess my life would be w/o her valued information.
post #35 of 44
You're welcome AMum.

I just wish that doctors would read Clemetson's 3-volume text, all the medical literature out there; Levy's book; Irwin Stone's old book; and put it all into practice, then you wouldn't have even got to the point of panic.

It's not like Vitamin C is lunatic fringe. It's one thing that is hugely written up in the medical literature to way back.

Same with Vitamin A. Yet so few of them can even spell sodium ascorbate, let alone that its not "just" a vitamin.

It's an anti-toxin, anti-viral and in a strange way, and anti-biotic.

It's one of the few things that is thoroughly covered in mainstream medical literature over many decades, yet, most doctors know practically zilch about.

And don't get me started on ridiculous RDAs either.

They were formulated by the non-scientifical crystal ball guessers incorporated.
post #36 of 44
Yikes! I just went to Amazon to look into Clemetson's book and used starts at $304.98.
Guess I wont be reading that book any time soon!
post #37 of 44
What's interesting to me is if this was a discovery from way back when, I wonder why vit c is not used more frequently to treat pertussis nowadays??

http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorba...-p1884-eng.htm



http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorba...37-n2-p134.htm
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post #39 of 44
WOW great thread, MT, TYVM for bumping!
post #40 of 44
I've put the URL into the archive thread too
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