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When my current 4-year relationship got very close to ending, we decided to enter into therapy. Due to insurance restrictions, we could not go as a couple. A therapist suggested seeing each of us individually and, on occasion, seeing us together (for which we would pay).

During my first visit, I learned that this arrangement was going to be far more effective than traditional couple’s counseling (which we had tried about a year prior).

Of course, we discussed my history and, like with too many women, I endured many (6) years of sexual abuse as a child. Our therapist, whom I’ll call Lyn, gently suggested that, until I heal from that trauma, I would not be fully able to have an intimate relationship with my current partner or anybody else. She helped me to see that much of how I operate is a direct result of that period of my life.

When Lyn told me there was help and hope in lessening the thoughts, flashbacks, memories and triggers, I was (as always) skeptical and asked “You mean, the thoughts could really go away?” She said “Probably not completely, but you can certainly get to a point where they are not in the driver’s seat so much.” “How?” I asked wide-eyed? For some reason, for the first time ever, I kinda believed that that was even possible; and I opened up a little bit to the possibility of “going there” – to a place I have avoided like the plague for 26 years.

Enter EMDR. One of my first homework assignments from Lyn was to look it up and gather information for myself. So, on five or six occasions over the past eight weeks, I have been perusing the Net to see what I could find. I have found many articles relating to studies; I have read most of what is on the EMDR site; I have found bits and pieces here and there; and, finally, today I find this site.

I am so happy to see this has been discussed here. I am even happier to see that the conversations are recent. I am thankful to finally find what I have been looking for; real individuals who have experienced EMDR and who can describe their experiences – both positive and negative.

Did I mention I am a skeptic? To the core. I want to believe EMDR will help me to be a happier, more fulfilled, loving, less critical and perfectionistic person. And, I am scared to death of it. I am afraid to feel. I am afraid to go there. I am afraid and feel UNABLE to talk about those experiences in any other way besides intellectually and matter-of-factly. I am terrified for anybody – even myself – to see me FEEL ANYthing about those experiences. I’m so terrified to intentionally recall those events. Those were ugly, horrible days and the brief recurring thoughts all make me wish for brain erasure of those six years. I’m afraid I will fail—that I won’t be able to do EMDR. I’m afraid when she asks me to describe what is in my body, I will not have an answer because I can’t get that in touch with my body. I’m afraid of feeling like a dumb-dumb because I can’t get in touch with it. I’m scared I can’t do it!!! And what if it doesn’t work?

Can any of you relate to these feelings? Would you be willing to expand on your descriptions of your experiences with EMDR? I would be so appreciative. For me, I think that if I’m going to jump into this, I’m going to have to make a decision soon. Thanks so much.
post #2 of 13

Emdr

It saved my life!!! Well, phycologically speaking at least. I had severe PTSD after giving birth. Zoloft alone was helping the PPD but not the PTSD. what exactly do you want to know?? Pretty much I talked about the experience while watching a moving object. It helped me look at my birth in a controlled, safe setting. I don't get so shaky when I talk about it.

Erin
http://mybirthstory.blogspot.com
post #3 of 13
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EMDR Thoughts and Feelings

Hi Erin,

Thanks for replying. These are the kinds of things I would be interested in hearing from you, Erin: Were you afraid to jump in? Was it easy for you? Were you optimistic and self-assured that it would work? Did you research it before you decided to do it? Were you afraid about it not working? Was it easy to do? Was it difficult?

Thanks again!
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I just started therapy again for healing from sexual abuse. My therapist also suggested EMDR as a way to relieve the power of the memories. I did all the research that you said you did here. The empirical evidence is very good. However, I have also seen some things to give me pause as to whether it would be good for chronic PTSD and sexual abuse treatment. Meaning, I've read the EMDR is particularly good for a single trauma - car accident, earthquake - and is still effective, but maybe less so for chronic abuse/chronic trauma situations. If there are particular memories that you get stuck on, then it seems that EMDR would be good.

In doing this research I came across this book: Invisible Heroes and found it at my local library. I read it all today, and I loved it!! It made so much sense. Basically, it is about how to heal from trauma using guided imagery. EMDR utilizes the right side of your brain - which is suggested to be important as to why it works - and so does guided imagery. I used hypnobirthing for my labor and delivery, so guided imagery is right down my alley. Plus, I can do it at home, and deal with anything that comes up there. When EMDR was mentioned, it scared the daylights out of me. After reading this book, the healing meditations suggested just felt like an oasis - a respite. The author has a website (but it isn't even mentioned in the book, so the book is not just a tool for selling her products) where she sells her guided imagery CD's. After I talk to my therapist again, I'm hoping to order the PTSD ones. I listened to the samples on the website and they were perfect for where I am right now.

I can totally understand when you say you are afraid to feel. I am too. I have totally turned off all the emotions to those events. I know I am sad and angry, but I can't feel it, if that makes sense. I am also still scared to share those things with my therapist, so EMDR felt threatening to me. I am having a hard time putting all that stuff into words, so EMDR just seems premature for me just yet.

The great thing about the guided imagery is that it accesses the right side of your brain, which is nonverbal, and deals with the emotions in a gentle and healing way. You don't have to say them aloud. She says in her book that many trauma survivors just can't put the experience into words because a different part of the brain (the right non-verbal side) did the encoding of the events. You need the imagery (and EMDR does this too) to get at those emotions which reside in the right side of the brain.

Oh, I almost forgot the imagery website is: Health Journeys that should link directly to the PTSD stuff.

When you described your issues with your emotions, I am right there with you. I'm sorry that this has happened, but it is sure nice to know that I'm not the only one feeling the way I'm feeling.

If you decide to do EMDR, come back and give a report. I'd be interested in hearing your experience. For me, I'm going to wait a while, and try the guided imagery first. Oh the author even said that EMDR can be a component in healing from PTSD with talk therapy and also guided imagery.
post #5 of 13
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Wow! And, thanks, Janette

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Originally Posted by jmreinke
I just started therapy again for healing from sexual abuse.

for chronic abuse/chronic trauma situations. If there are particular memories that you get stuck on, then it seems that EMDR would be good.

up there. When EMDR was mentioned, it scared the daylights out of me.

I can totally understand when you say you are afraid to feel. I am too. I have totally turned off all the emotions to those events. I know I am sad and angry, but I can't feel it, if that makes sense. I am also still scared to share those things with my therapist, so EMDR felt threatening to me. I am having a hard time putting all that stuff into words, so EMDR just seems premature for me just yet.

When you described your issues with your emotions, I am right there with you. I'm sorry that this has happened, but it is sure nice to know that I'm not the only one feeling the way I'm feeling.

If you decide to do EMDR, come back and give a report. I'd be interested in
Wow, Janette, thanks so much for your insight, kind words and time--I really appreciate it. It really is comforting to know that somebody else -- even somebody whom I've never met -- not only understands but also feels some of the things I feel around this issue. The NOT feeling!!

As I'm sure you can imagine, and as is common with people like us, my memory of much of my childhood is fuzzy, but I do know that my sister and I had very little reprieve over those six years. I don't know if was was once or twice weekly or once or twice monthly, but I do know that it was often and that the trauma was comprised of countless incidents.

And, yes, what you said about the lack of emotion around it makes sense and I understand completely -- because I feel the same way!! Gosh, it's crazy, isn't it? I can intellecualize it to death. Talk about it till the cows come home. But, feel almost no emotion around it. But then, do I intentionally not feel or is it involuntary? I don't know anymore.

I did cry about it all about two or three weeks ago--asking the air "Why?", "Why did you keep leaving us alone with him?", and "How could you leave us there--even for an hour???" First time I remember (in 26 years) that I did that. I was alone and in a weird way, that short expression of emotion actually felt like a victory to me. And, it shocked me. Since I started therapy, the EMDR and "going there" has been on my mind and I guess in that moment, since I was alone, I didn't feel so vulnerable and exposed and, much to my own surprise, it happened. Maybe there is hope that I could feel it in the presence of my therapist.

How have you handled it around your partner(s)? Is it something you can talk about with emotion--or just matter-of-factly? I am always matter-of-fact about it and, it's confusing even to me, but I'm protective of the information. Like even looking into healing from it--I don't want to share the experience of the journey -- maybe from fear of being vulnerable? Fear of needing my partner? Or fear of NOT needing my partner? Fear of not knowing how to accept the support?

Earlier today I did find another thread on childhood sexual abuse here that had me tearing up. I don't know if it was empathy for the other writers and their experiences, me feeling my own stuff, or a combination of both. When you said "....scared the daylights out of me..." I laughed. Not that it's funny, but just because I can relate so much to what you are saying.

I do hope I can muster the courage to do EMDR and, if I do, I will surely let you know how it goes. Likewise, I'd be interested to hear about your results with guided imagery.

Anybody else with ideas and insight on EMDR as it relates to childhood sexual abuse?

Thanks again, Janette.
post #6 of 13

Emdr

I can understand the hesitation. For the therapy to work, you have to "re-live" or talk out the situation. That can be terrifying. In my experience, I was traumatized by one 45 minute surgery without anesthesia...I did the tx 9 months after dd was born. I was DESPERATE to feel better and I did want it to work.

My therapist explained it to me. I was comfortable cause there's no meds or shock or anything like that. I had been to the therapist's office before so it was a safe,comfortable place. When she was having me think about the birth/repair while watching the wand....I had to stop a few times cause I got shaky and my palms were clamy. We did it twice; Reliving the surgery while watching a moving object...don't know exactly how it works but it did help. Kinda like when I created the blog about my birth story: I don't know why it helped, but it did.

Again I want to emphasize I was desperate to feel better. Also, this was birth trauma and the PTSD was still pretty acute.

Hope that helps!

Erin
post #7 of 13
Erin,

Your situation sounds like the perfect situation for EMDR. I'm so glad it helped you! It's not that EMDR won't work for chronic PTSD, but that it is more challenging because there isn't necessarily one memory or trauma to focus on.

Thanks for sharing your experience!
post #8 of 13
I've been thinking about trying EMDR too. My situation was I was in a cultic group and had a number of emotionally traumatic experiences related to that. I've tried to talk about it in therapy, but I feel like no one really undrestands the depth of the trauma I've been through. My problem is that I feel like I can't feel much about it. As some of you have said, I can talk about it intellectually-no problem. Also, I have no sexual desire-I've had sex twice in the past 2 years, and one of those times I conceived my baby! I think that is related to the cult too, because some of the trauma was sexual. Does emdr help if you aren't having flashbacks?
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Originally Posted by sarahariz
Does emdr help if you aren't having flashbacks?
I'm not sure that the memories I have would be considered flashbacks, just memories that are troubling and disturbing. EMDR is supposed to reduce the emotion and trauma attached to the memories. Kind of like taking away the punch that the memory has. It is not a cure-all. It's just one method for taking the sting and shock out of a traumatic experience. Have you been in therapy? It sounds like you could really benefit from a good therapist who is an expert in trauma and sexual abuse. I know that I have so far.

I'm sorry that you had those awful experiences!
post #10 of 13
I had EMDR therapy in 2001, in conjuction with more conventional therapy: talk, behavior mod, etc. I only did 3-4 sessions, and they were extremely intense, but it worked like nothing else had previously.

I disagree that it's only useful for single time PTSD events. In my case, it was used on outstanding events within a chronic context, and it still worked extremely well.

Feel free to PM me if you have questions.
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Originally Posted by bizarrogirl

I disagree that it's only useful for single time PTSD events. In my case, it was used on outstanding events within a chronic context, and it still worked extremely well.
Thank you. That is really good to know. I haven't done it myself and was only stating what the empirical evidence has shown so far. I'm not saying that it won't work for chronic events, I was just restating what I had read.

I'm glad to hear that it worked so well for you. The intensity that I keep hearing about makes me anxious, but the results you describe make it sound like it is worth it.
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