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post #21 of 35
It offends me on several levels. It is used to insult people by inferring that they are intolerant, dogmatic and willing to promote their ideas by any means. The people who wield the word mean it to offend, but I feel like they are doing a disservice to those who have suffered under Hitler and the true Nazis. Hitler is also a name bandied about quite a bit--if someone doesn't like what a political leader is doing, he/she might be compared to Hitler.

So I resent the fact that these terms have undergone this sort of linguistic adaptation so soon after they came into being. I mean, it's one thing to call someone a Geghis Khan or an Attila the Hun; they just don't carry the same emotional weight, even though the speaker may mean them as slurs. To call someone a Nazi, however, makes light of what the true Nazis did and is an insult to those who survived the Holocaust.

What also offends me is that even if you don't mean to literally compare someone to a Nazi, but just use the word to mean intolerant of other ideas, the person using the word is the one who is guilty of this. When I've heard the term used, it is by people going on the offensive without any attempt to understand what they are criticizing. It really bugs me when someone who has never been to LLL and knows nothing about the group uses the breastfeeding Nazi term in regards to that group. LLL is there to help people, not to hurt them, and leaders will give information about weaning regardless of whether they think the mother should be doing it or not. Leaders have to volunteer a lot of time and effort, yet they get attacked just for trying to help those who come to them for help. It's ridiculous. Sorry to get off on a tangent, it's just I've heard the Nazi thing said about LLL.
post #22 of 35
"LLL is there to help people, not to hurt them"

Amen sister!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #23 of 35
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post #24 of 35
My feelings are hurt when people say "You're not a BF Nazi, are you?". I'm not a pushy person (if anything I need to be more assertive sometimes!) because I don't like it when someone is pushy to me. I see nothing wrong with asking friends "Are you going to breastfeed?". I've even helped friends through problems and shared why bfeeding is so healthy and they thanked me afterwards.

For some reason, a lot of people think that bfeeders will be all in your face if you don't bfeed. I've never met any pro-BF like that. They just state the facts and are very supportive. If a friend chooses not to BF, I'm not going to judge them, but I do encourage them to BF.

I guess a lot of people are just really uncomfortable with bfeeding cuz breasts are so sexualized in the US?. If a penis can be used for peeing, making babies and having fun, why can't a boob be used for fun and feeding babies as well? Why must a body part have only one use? To me that is the core of the problem
post #25 of 35
this hurts me as well... i have struggled along with several other first time moms to breastfeed. i provided them with help, support and advice for nearly 6 months. now that we are all nearing that 6 mo mark, most of them are considering weaning... needless to say many are coming to me for help and resources. i always try to have a conversation about their reasons and the benefits of continuing before going into weaning support... a few have gotten nasty and refer to me as the "n" word... its sad that we are friends and i have gone out of my way to help them and we can't even discuss something simple without them getting defensive about their choice and name calling...

so very, very sad.
post #26 of 35
Nope. never o.k. This is so offensive on so many levels. I have gotten bashed on some other boards for voicing my disgust over the term. Oh, and doctors get no BF training from what I have seen! Lots of times, their entire education on it is courtesy of their wife or personal experience. Also, I wuld not expect a surgeon to know squat about it--they really do not cover it at all. Maybe breast augmentation, but not lactation, LOL.
post #27 of 35
I agree that I hate that term, more because it pigeonholes anyone who is BFing supportive into a classification of "fanatic". Though my husband fondly refers to me as a militant mom almost daily.

On the whole, the guy sounds like a jerk (hum, have I worked with him????) but in mild defense of his statement, one of the cultural quirks of doctors, particularly in surgery, is a caustic graveyard sense of humor. It's a survival mechanism when in the trenches. Unfortunately, many people lose their social skills over time and don't recognize when it is inappropriate. So hopefully he was just a social clod and not a total idiot. No promises, though...
post #28 of 35
it always bugs me too. for the obvious reason that it belittles the horrors that so many people went through at the hands of Hitler and his Nazis. but also that it belittles the passion so many women have when it comes to breastfeeding. we don't try to educate people and advocate for breastfeeding because WE benefit, we do it because we truly love the relationship we have with our babies, and want to help other mothers give the best to their babies as well. that makes us militant? nazis? it's ridiculous, disgusting, and extremely offensive.
post #29 of 35
Never. Nazis were responsible for torture and slaughter. Breastfeeding advocates are promoting health and bonding. No similarities whatsoever.
post #30 of 35
exactly what robyn said.
post #31 of 35
Yeah, Alice, I do think that was overboard. I have often remarked about the use of the term nazi here, and people usually take it very well. Though I didn't see that post at the time.

I don't like feminazi, bf nazi, authenticity nazis, calling police officers nazis, none of that. A substitute I would have found more acceptable is fascist. Which encompasses a lot of oppressive-type behavior without referencing the Nazis. Since there was only one flavor of Nazi and there have been a lot of different kinds of fascism.

But honestly, for BF, advocate, activist or "lactivist" are better desciptions for me...since many people expect an activist to be passionate about what they believe in. Misusing the word Nazi is just a way to try to discount the truth, accuracy or (com)passion of the women who support bf. Hmmm...perhaps we could start throwing around the term Formula Feeding Fascists. (if it's good enough for my baby, it should be good enough for yours too! It's so scientific and sanitary, not contaminated by humans! ) Not productive, but it amuses me.
post #32 of 35
Maybe if one replied...

"Breastfeeding Nazis?!? Oh my goodness, you mean they ship millions of non-breastfeeding women in cattle trains to concentration camps and either starve and work them to death or murder them in gas chambers? Who is allowing this to happen!!!!"

...it might drive home the point.
post #33 of 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiZ
If a penis can be used for peeing, making babies and having fun, why can't a boob be used for fun and feeding babies as well? Why must a body part have only one use?
A penis IS a sex organ, though, and a breast is NOT. The only biological purpose of the breast is to feed babies. When it is used in foreplay, it is no different that when any other non-genital body part is used in foreplay.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgiaGalHeidi
Oh, and doctors get no BF training from what I have seen! Lots of times, their entire education on it is courtesy of their wife or personal experience.
Actually, from the way they talk, I think they must get their breastfeeding "facts" from the formula industry.
post #34 of 35
Quote:
Nazis were responsible for torture and slaughter. Breastfeeding advocates are promoting health and bonding. No similarities whatsoever.
Well said!
post #35 of 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amywillo
It offends me on several levels. It is used to insult people by inferring that they are intolerant, dogmatic and willing to promote their ideas by any means. The people who wield the word mean it to offend, but I feel like they are doing a disservice to those who have suffered under Hitler and the true Nazis. Hitler is also a name bandied about quite a bit--if someone doesn't like what a political leader is doing, he/she might be compared to Hitler.

So I resent the fact that these terms have undergone this sort of linguistic adaptation so soon after they came into being. I mean, it's one thing to call someone a Geghis Khan or an Attila the Hun; they just don't carry the same emotional weight, even though the speaker may mean them as slurs. To call someone a Nazi, however, makes light of what the true Nazis did and is an insult to those who survived the Holocaust.

What also offends me is that even if you don't mean to literally compare someone to a Nazi, but just use the word to mean intolerant of other ideas, the person using the word is the one who is guilty of this. When I've heard the term used, it is by people going on the offensive without any attempt to understand what they are criticizing. It really bugs me when someone who has never been to LLL and knows nothing about the group uses the breastfeeding Nazi term in regards to that group. LLL is there to help people, not to hurt them, and leaders will give information about weaning regardless of whether they think the mother should be doing it or not. Leaders have to volunteer a lot of time and effort, yet they get attacked just for trying to help those who come to them for help. It's ridiculous. Sorry to get off on a tangent, it's just I've heard the Nazi thing said about LLL.

excellent post. i totally agree.
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