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post #41 of 50
I think I belong here.
I love the idea of CLW. I just don't think it's for me.

My son is 2.5 years old. He's still nursing a LOT. And, I get really touched-out. It doesn't help that he's a rough nurser. I *finally* got him to stop twiddling the other nipple, and he decided to start playing with my moles instead! Nursing is like nails on the chalkboard to me a lot of the time.

I have set limits. DS nightweaned 6 months ago when he moved to his own bed (not forced, he really loved having his own bed). When the weather got cold in early January, he started coming back into my bed in the middle of the night, and was nursing through the night again. After his father and I got into a bad fight, DS wouldn't even start sleeping in his own bed. So, we're cosleeping full-time again, which means he's nursing at night again. I finally had to tell him that he can nurse for a little while, then roll over and drink his water (sippy cup that stays on the bed next to him and doesn't spill) and go to sleep. It's mostly working. I just have to remind him a few times a night.
I've never been able to sleep well while DS nurses. When I do sleep through it, I end up with dreams of being sexually assaulted, and have to fight the urge to throw DS off of me. I end up sleep-deprived and on edge.
I also set limits during the day when I've had enough. Though, I tend to give in when DS really seems to need it. I've been offering lots of hugs and kisses, or distracting him with tickles and toys rather than nurse him sometimes.

I know I can't wean DS anytime soon. For one, he's nowhere near ready. He's also very strong-willed, and fights some of the limits I set. I'm very much a "pick your battles" type of person.
My other issue is that I suffer from rapid-cycling bipolar disorder, and I'm convinced that the only reason I haven't had a bipolar cycle since DS was born is because I'm breastfeeding him. I'm reluctant to give that up, since I greatly fear losing my mind again, and how my insanity will affect my son.
Lastly, H and I are separating. We're doing the best we can to avoid disrupting DS's life more than absolutely necessary, but it will affect him. I don't want to take away DS's most comforting routine away from him - he's going to need it. It's bad enough that he won't have such constant access on weekends anymore.

So, while I largely hate nursing, and I'm setting a few limits, I can't wean him yet. I just don't know that I can keep this up until DS weans himself. I don't see myself still nursing him in 3 years.

We'll see what happens, I suppose.
post #42 of 50
I haven't read everything here yet, but am so relieved to see this thread. I felt awkward in the CLW thread, because, although dd mostly weaned herself by her almost 4th birthday, I pushed it a little for sanity due to painful pregnant nursing. I felt guilty as I thought I believed in CLW so I felt like a failure in that sense, although I know I needed to do it in order to be a better mama, but I didn't feel comfortable in the other thread because I saw only 1-2 yo's being weaned.

Now, she is making suggestions that she wants to take up nursing again and I don't know what to do. I don't think I could handle it even though I know all the positive aspects of tandem nursing. I had no idea where to address this. Can anyone help me here?

I hope I made sense. I keep getting distracted. Thanks for any thoughts!
post #43 of 50
Coleslaw - that's difficult, with your dd suggesting that she'd like to nurse again. When my dd1 did that (at age 5.25, after not having nursed in nearly 6 months), I just reminded her that she had finished nursing, and suggested that we could perhaps cuddle, or read a story together, so we had some 'mom and daughter' time.

She accepted that easily enough, and didn't push the nursing - but she's about a year older than your dd.

Still - at age 4, I would think that it would be possible to gently discuss with her the fact that she has stopped nursing and that (perhaps) it is uncomfortable for Mommy to nurse her, but that you can do other special things together, like cuddling, reading stories, doing arts & crafts, etc (anything she likes to do).

She also might simply be hungry and/or thirsty when she asks to nurse - have you tried offering water and/or a snack when she asks? Just a thought.

Pregnancy nursing can be soooo difficult - especially with an older child. I know, I'm there right now - 11 weeks pregnant, and it feels like nails on a blackboard to nurse my almost 4 year old at the moment. She's down to only nursing at bedtime - that's the only time she asks, but I would definitely distract/etc if she were to start asking throughout the day again...

It is funny...totally doesn't bug me at all to nurse my 18 month old. Thankfully!
post #44 of 50
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yo! last night the baby said *he didn't want to nurse goodnight*!

i have seen threads here & there over the years where an older child weans after a younger one, but i am still stunned (not that my 30 m old is actually done or anything- he still wanted his wake-up milk, but choosing not to nurse to sleep- good grief!)

i am wondering... anybody have any experience where children with more traumatic birth experiences nursed longer than ones with comparatively mellow experiences?

it will be truly weird if my 4 yr old weans later than my 2 yr old (a 2 yr old weaning himself- i cannot wrap my mind around that. so *that's* how the clw'rs expect it to work. really, i cannot fathom it!)

it's not like the times he's had a sore throat or something & it hurt to swallow- he was emphatic that he wanted to go to bed, no nursing, no thanks.

still stunned, suse
post #45 of 50
:LOL suseyblue,that is funny! Maybe your baby will wean first? My ds (3.75) asked me to nurse today and then said " but don't squeeze it, because I don't want milk, I just want abooie (his term for it) " totally funny and cute.

I've changed my mind again, see this is why I need the wishy washy thread. Why not keep on nursing? What's the big deal anyway, he only nurses 1x per day usually :LOL so who knows...
post #46 of 50
piglet, piglet, piglet...your post made me want to cry. I was feeling so alone and somewhat guilty for how nursing a toddler makes me feel these days. I have similar situation. I always thought I would clw (at the very least 2 years and the 'see how it goes'). However, I got pregnant a little earlier than planned after ds and lost my milk almost immediately. I felt so guilty for not being able to have milk for him...but he sort of kept on nursing through the pregnancy. Not often (fortunately) but enough for me to know that he would keep nursing when the baby was born. I was looking forward to it....looking forward to having real milk for him. Within days I realized that I really don't like nursing a toddler. He also looks so huge to me (although I don't think that is what bothers me most). I resent the time it takes...I don't like how he sounds...I don't like the way it feels (his latch isn't great)...I don't like that many of the nursing sessions are just him messing around and not really nursing. And what is really getting scary is that he is beginning to refuse to unlatch when I've had enough and gently ask him to let go ..."mommy needs a break". He bit me hard the other day after I asked him to let go and he has started to bite twice since. I don't know what to do. I hate resenting the nursing sessions. That can't be healthy.

Of course, he is also having adjustment issues (and thats another thread) and I won't stop now. But I'm beginning to suggest that we only nurse before naps and bedtime. I don't think he'll go for it. I'll probably hang in there and 'see how it goes'...but I do put limits on the time sometimes...and say 'not now - later' to him.

Odd - I'm so passionate about breastfeeding that I'm shocked and dismayed at how I feel about nursing a 25 month old. That doesn't seem that old to me and its making me crazy. Hope I have completely taken this thread in a bad direction. I just had to respond to Piglets post and say thank you for writing it. I was feeling pretty alone and it helps to know that some other great mamas have experienced similar feelings.

J
post #47 of 50
I cannot tell you how happy I am to see the forum rearrangement. I left the ebf board because I felt absolutely no support there and feelings of guilt for not being positively sure and confident about CLW DD. As it turns out, some of the threads actually helped me make the final decision to MLW. It's just not something I want to do. And, DD is an AP kid and I'm confident she's not going to be emotionally scarred from me *gently* weaning her. I really look forward to being an active member of this forum now.

My original goal (she's my first) was to nurse for a year. However, once I started to educate myself about nursing and as DD got older, I realized how natural and beneficial ebf is for a toddler. I'm extremely happy I nursed her the entire 2nd year. I think it, along with AP, made a huge difference in who she is. People can't believe how happy and mild mannered she is.

But now I can see she is nursing more out of *want* than *need*. That would be fine, but I want to ttc and tandem nursing is not what I want to do. I think that her seeing an infant nursing will make it even harder to accept my guidance towards her weaning. And, I don't want to get pg, have really sensitive nipples (I sure did last pg) and then resent her nursing and push her to wean. I think that would be too much pressure for all of us to handle and I don't want our beautiful nursing experience to end on such a sour note. So, I'd rather do it now.

I was on the fence for a long time, but I can finally say I feel good about this decision. And, active, or somewhat active, weaning hasn't been the emotional tragedy I envisioned it to be. When she was 18 mos. old, yes, I know it would've been hell. But she's not really "needing" to nurse much anymore.

**Ebf and proudly weaning**
post #48 of 50
I really needed this thread. I was nodding right along with piglet's thread.

I'm so stuck about what to do. I believe in CLW theoretically, but nursing nearly 3 year old DS is, as has been described, giving me that nails on the chalkboard feeling and has for over a year. It hurts physically as he's really rough on me. I really dislike nursing him lately and it hurts because he asks constantly. There are days he asks a minimum of 3 times an hour. When he nurses, he nurses a long time. How can I take care of a baby when my toddler is nursing for over an hour a stretch? I try to shower him with as much attention as I can but lately, it's just impossible to nurse him as he'd like. We've been doing the "you can nurse for X minutes" thing and sometimes he's ok with it but it often leads to tantrums.

What really bothers me is he's fighting DD over it. He has a fit every time she nurses. If I nurse them together, he's hitting her and pushing her away so she clamps down (aka, OUCH!!!) trying to hold her ground and I just feel caught in the middle of a battle royale. I try to avoid it. He tells me to stop nursing her so I can nurse him.

I'm just so worn out. I get no sleep as I am basically rolling from one side to the other nursing them at night. DS will not sleep unless he's nursed or rocked by DH. Often DH will co-sleep with DS in DS's room, but lately he's coming into the main bedroom when they do that and will not go back to sleep without nursing. Ds is staying at MIL's tonight so I'm so glad at the prospect of a little sleep.
post #49 of 50
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post #50 of 50
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Originally Posted by kirstie
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thankyouthankyouthankyou, kirstie, for bumping this thread up! I just read through and was agreeing with and relating to so much of what was said.

I know that I fit in here, too.

So, it has been a few months. How is everyone doing at this point?

My DS is 39 months (nightweaned at 18 mo & down to 3 or less nursings/day by age 2) and nurses usually just in the morning. Now that he skips days here and there, i will remind him and offer milk at other times like the afternoon (when he USED to nap, sigh) or at bedtime. He says no thanks more often than yes. i feel confident that we will maintain this arrangement up until he is four years old (and then ???, I'm probably going to ttc and I'm not sure from there what would be best).
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