Originally Posted by CallMeIshmael
This shouldn't be too much of a surprise: MMR virus, when injected, result in low-level viremia (blood infection) at 10-14 days. The common side effects of fever and rash 10-14 days after the vax are further evidence of that process. And viral excretion is an easily-imagined effect of viremia.
|how common a phenomenon is it?|
|And even if viral excretion is common, how common is transmission?|
|Given the sheer number of MMR vaxes being injected into kids daily, why aren't measles, mumps, and rubella epidemic in the US?|
|And why is there not a single documented case of transmission, given that there are documented cases of transmission for oral polio vax, chicken pox vax, and the recent smallpox vax?|
Why is it that every year, the outbreaks of measles in unvaccinated kids in this country always follow four weeks after the yearly MMR vaccination in schools of the 11 yr old.
Doctors, no doubt, would say "oh, quite coincidental"
|Personally, I'd love to see evidence of vaccine transmission. I truly enjoy witnessing paradigms being shattered.|
|But I have yet to see any evidence that is not circumstantial.|
|What I would need would be serological evidence of measles infection in a child who had not been vaxed. Then via restriction analysis or PCR, I need to see that the strain involved was vaccine-derived rather than wild-type. Until then, I'll still maintain that, though it's certainly possible, it's likely a rare phenomenon.|
And... "There is no moon there tonight, so I would need proof that it is still there...."
|Curious, MT -- on what basis do you say that your kids picked it up from a vaxee rather than wild-type, since you say that measles rampages in your country every four years (which implies that it's endemic)? I'd like to know more of the story, if you're comfortable sharing it.|
My kids were homeschooled from start to finish. But played with local kids. They caugh it both times, from kids vaccinated at school, who came down with measles and had to stay at home.
And not being an infection phobe, I was quite happy for my kids to rub noses with their kids. And sure enough, my kids got measles.
I didn't expect it the second time, because like most people, I'd been brainwashed into thinking it could only happen once. So it was a surprise when it did.
By the way, did you actually read the BMJ measles thread I suggested people here read?
If you had, you would not have had to ask me that question.
And if you had, perhaps you might be structuring your rebuttals a little more precisely?