Is there any place to discuss religious issues?

[Galatea]

Specifically, people whose religion says they should circ, but who choose not to. I am interested in learning more about this. Does anyone have any resources?

[Frankly Speaking]

Here is a thread in "Finding Your Tribe" that was created specifically for Jewish and Muslim Moms who choose not to circumcise their sons to discuss it and you can discuss religion all you want.

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...d.php?t=239177

There also shouldn't be any interference from those who advocate circumcision. If there is any such as Private Messages, etc., report it to the authorities!





Frank

[SkyDweller]

Religious Discussion??

Lilli, you bring up a good point. I'd be interested in that too. Was the thread that Frank mentioned helpful/what you were looking for?

Originally Posted by Galatea

Specifically, people whose religion says they should circ, but who choose not to. I am interested in learning more about this. Does anyone have any resources?

I've been 'lurking' on this forum for months and have been reluctant to post until I've read all the threads on circumcision (almost 200?). What an eye-opener! I have already known much since I've been restoring since last June (TMI?), but The Case Against Circumcision has moved me towards being more 'activist' in my approach.

I am especially interested in the religious aspect of it since I am of Jewish descent (although I know nothing about the ritual in Judiasm(or hey, Islam for that matter!)) and also am a fundamentalist Christian. I also pastor a mid-sized congregation (several hundred) in a fundamentalist town. I led our young adult group into a study in the Bible book of Romans and at the end of chapter 2 we spent 3 separate studies looking at the meaning and value of circumcision throughout the Bible. Absolutely fascinating. While the study was very meaningful, (brought a lot of spiritual insights), yet it convinced me even more that there is absolutely NO Christian basis Whatsoever for Circumcision. Following that I began to be more openly against the procedure and I'm happy to say that two baby boys due this summer from two different families (obviously!) will be born intact. :-)

Eric

[Treece]

Originally Posted by SkyDweller

Lilli, you bring up a good point. I'd be interested in that too. Was the thread that Frank mentioned helpful/what you were looking for?



I've been 'lurking' on this forum for months and have been reluctant to post until I've read all the threads on circumcision (almost 200?). What an eye-opener! I have already known much since I've been restoring since last June (TMI?), but The Case Against Circumcision has moved me towards being more 'activist' in my approach.

I am especially interested in the religious aspect of it since I am of Jewish descent (although I know nothing about the ritual in Judiasm(or hey, Islam for that matter!)) and also am a fundamentalist Christian. I also pastor a mid-sized congregation (several hundred) in a fundamentalist town. I led our young adult group into a study in the Bible book of Romans and at the end of chapter 2 we spent 3 separate studies looking at the meaning and value of circumcision throughout the Bible. Absolutely fascinating. While the study was very meaningful, (brought a lot of spiritual insights), yet it convinced me even more that there is absolutely NO Christian basis Whatsoever for Circumcision. Following that I began to be more openly against the procedure and I'm happy to say that two baby boys due this summer from two different families (obviously!) will be born intact. :-)

Eric

Cool!! That those kiddos get to be as God intended!!

[Fyrestorm]

I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for, but there is a great website that does discuss the issue of jewish circumcision in depth. It's jewsagainstcircumcision.

Hope that helps.

[Tofu the Geek]

I believe circumcision as related to religion can be discussed on the Spirituality forum here on MDC.

[njeb]

I know that religious circumcision can be discussed at the Religious Studies forum, but unfortunately, if you try to take an anti-circ. approach there, you will be flamed by all the religious circ'ers there. It is NOT a friendly forum for intactivists.

[pdx.mothernurture]

Here's a list of pro-intact religious links I'm offering, without comment or debate. :-)

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Christianity:

Galatians 5:1-6, Galatians 6:12-16, 1 Corinthians 7:19, Romans 2:29, Colossians 2:8-12, Philippians 3:2-3, and Romans 12:2

Christian Parents and the Circumcision Issue (Pamplet)

PDF: http://www.coloradonocirc.org/files/...sion_Issue.pdf

MSWORD: http://www.coloradonocirc.org/stats/.../pamphlets.php

Should Christians be Circumcised?
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Art...cumcision.html

Christianity and Circumcision: A Call for Christian Action, by Van Lewis:
http://www.cirp.org/pages/cultural/lewis1/

The Morality of Circumcision, by Father John Dietzen
http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/dietzen1/

Circumcision: A Biblical Perspective, by Susan Crawford Beil
http://www.allnaturalmamas.com/bibli...rcumcision.asp

NoHarmm, “Circumcision and the Christian Parent”: http://www.noharmm.org/christianparent.htm

CIRP: “Answers from the Bible to Questions About Circumcision”: http://www.cirp.org/pages/cultural/glass2/

“The Holy Bible, Circumcision False Prophets, and the Christian Parent” by George Hill: http://www.cirp.org/pages/cultural/christian.html

“Christian Parents and the Circumcision Issue”, by James E. Peron, MS, Ed.D, from Many Blessings, Volume 3, Spring 2000: http://www.cirp.org/pages/cultural/peron1/

“What the Bible Really Says About Circumcision”, by laura Jezek: http://stopcirc.com/christian.html

“Why Christians Need Not Be Circumcised”: http://www.circumstitions.com/Xy.html

Christians for Wholeness: http://www.acts15.org/

Catholic:

Catholics Against Circumcision http://www.catholicsagainstcircumcision.org/

Catholic Teachings on Circumcision (Pamphlet) http://www.catholicsagainstcircumcis...c_Brochure.pdf

http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/circumcision.html

The difference between bris with a shield, and bris with a gomco, plastibell, or mogen: http://www.fisheaters.com/circumcision2.html

Mormon:

Circumcision and Mormonism (pamphlet)
Adobe PDF: http://www.coloradonocirc.org/files/..._Mormonism.pdf
MSWORD: http://www.coloradonocirc.org/files/..._Mormonism.doc

http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/LDS/

http://www.xmission.com/~fractil/religion/stop.html

Jewish:

Letter from NYC Health Commissioner
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/download...mishletter.pdf

New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene: Communicable Disease
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/std/std-bris.shtml

Neonatal Genital Herpes Simplex Virus Type 1 Infection After Jewish Ritual Circumcision: Modern Medicine and Religious Tradition

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ull/114/2/e259

(Pictures-VERY graphic: http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...406150001.jpeg)

New York Times: Fear rabbi gave tots herpes, Probe death of baby after circumcision

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-237314c.html

Rabbi probed for circumcised infants’ herpes: Baby died from disease after undergoing procedure.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6898403/

Risky Circumcision: Old Jewish practice causes herpes

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/.../hb041102c.htm

The Jewish Week: City Risking Babies’ Lives With Brit Policy: Health Experts

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/ne...p3?artid=11539

Urinary Tract Infection Following Jewish Circumcision

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/UTI/goldman/

Circumcision: A Jewish Feminist Perspective, by Miriam Pollack

http://www.noharmm.org/pollack.htm

The Kindest Un-Cut
http://www.cirp.org/pages/cultural/kimmel1/

Bris Backlash

http://www.acfnewsource.org/religion/bris_backlash.html

Circumcision Choices

http://www.noharmm.org/choices.htm

Jewish Circumcision Resource Center

http://www.jewishcircumcision.org/

THE GUIDE OF THE PERPLEXED by Moses Maimonides, translated by Shlomo Pines. University of Chicago, 1963.

http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/maimonides/

The Jewish Roots of Anti-Circumcision Arguments

http://www.nocirc.org/symposia/second/moss.html

Brit Shalom-Covenant of Wholeness:

http://www.nocirc.org/religion/Naming_ceremony.php

Mothering Magazine: “My Son: The Little Jew with a Foreskin”

http://www.mothering.com/articles/ne...on/my-son.html

InterfaithFamily.Com: “Why I Am Not Having My Sons Circumcised”, by Dawn Friedman

http://www.interfaithfamily.com/site...7369&ct=323098

RitualWell.Org: “Struggling with Circumcision”, anonymous.
Originally published in Reconstructionism Today, Vol. 11, No. 3, Spring-Summer 2004.

http://www.ritualwell.org/lifecycles...ionArticle.xml

Bris B’lee Milah

http://www.cirp.org/pages/cultural/bris_shalom.html

Bris Shalom

http://www.notjustskin.org/en/BritShalom.html

Bris Shalom Ceremony

http://www.nocircofmi.org/Bris%20Shalom.htm

Jewish Circumcision Referrences:

http://www.circumstitions.com/Jewish2.html

Brit without Milah

http://www.circumstitions.com/Jewish.html

Circumcision for Religious Reasons

http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/religious.htm

Jews Against Circumcision

http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/

Circumcision: A Source of Jewish Pain

http://jewishcircumcision.org/spectator.htm

Bris Shalom Celebrants/Providers in the US

http://www.circumstitions.com/Jewish-shalom.html

Alternative Bris Support Group

http://www.fathermag.com/health/circ/bris/

Pamphlet: http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/flyer_bs.pdf

HTHs,

Jen

[Treece]

Originally Posted by njeb

I know that religious circumcision can be discussed at the Religious Studies forum, but unfortunately, if you try to take an anti-circ. approach there, you will be flamed by all the religious circ'ers there. It is NOT a friendly forum for intactivists.

That's not true. I posted an anti-circ and never was flamed. I would guess it would be based on how you word the topic. I used "How to approach pro-cir partner if your anti circ" or something to that effect. I wasn't flamed at all. I guess since they knew pro would be flaming. MDC is a rather friendly place all in all. Good luck!

[jessjgh1]

I stuck my foot in my mouth several times, made errors in what I wrote (not intentionally), and participated in heated debates--- but I still don't think that anti-circ gets flamed there. I think every one got closed for review too.

Suggesting that religious circ is the same as routine or cultural circ. or suggesting that religious circ be banned/made illegal might get you flamed-- but if you don't understand a little bit WHY that causes such a strong reaction then I think one doesn't know enough about the issue.

Hope that makes sense.

If you go there you will meet some very informed, anti-circ parents that have circumcised only for religious reasons. (waving hello to those that are on this board).

I know I learned a lot from every exchange, even though I find it very challenging and frustrating because in the end we still disagree.

Jessica

[SkyDweller]

Thanks for the direction...

Fyrestorm, thanks for the direction to jewsagainst circumcision. I'll check it out. And I'll also check out the spirituality forum on mdc (thanks TechnoGranola). And whoa, Jen, it may take me a while to get thru all the links you shared (kinda like drinking from a fire-hydrant)--but thankyou for sharing them--I will look thru them.

[Revamp]

Jews Against Circumcision is a sterling site.