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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
(Sorry- I didn't realize how long this would be, but I had to share with someone who wouldn't think I am the crazy one!)

Okay, for background- I am expecting my first son (after 2 DDs) this April. My sister, after waiting four years, was placed with a son this past December. I waited with her for the last two days (travel time) while her son was on his way to her, and figured I might as well bring up the circumcision issue. (Sister is VERY mainstream- completely obsessed with "what will people think / say") She hadn't even considered it, but by the time the baby arrived, she had decided that if it wasn't done, she wouldn't do it. Well, Nephew arrived, beautiful, perfect, and intact. I went home and left her to prepare for Christmas (this was just a few days before.)

Anyway, the next day she called and told me, "I wouldn't even consider telling your doctor that you don't want to circumcise if I were you- Baby had his first doctor visit today and when I mentioned I was thinking about leaving him intact, he freaked out. He says he has seen 'WAY too many infections' and performed tons of circumcisions on adults with problems to think about not doing it." End of story, she had scheduled his circumcision the next week. I assured her my pediatrician had already let me know that there was no reason to circumcise other than personal preference and was very supportive and Sister acted like I was lying.

Sure enough, the next week the deed was done. And the doctor told them afterwards, "It sure was good you got that done now. There was tons of white fluid under the foreskin- that was infection that we had to get out." And Sister, who never bothers to question what doctor tells her, again looks at me like I am lying when I try to explain about smegma. Her attitude is that he is the doctor, he knows all! So frustrating.

The worst part is that Nephew seems to have undergone a complete personality transformation. The two weeks before circumcision, he was happy and easygoing- since then he fusses ALL the time. The circumcision is "healed" and yet he still fusses.

The final straw is that Sister called me last week and said that she had just taken baby to the doctor for check-up and immunizations. I asked how he had handled the shots and she said, "Well, they weren't that bad. He only really cried when they had to pull back the extra skin around his circumcision and clean under it with alcohol!" What the heck! I told her that if there is any foreskin left, retracting it would feel like a fingernail being pulled back. She said, "Yeah, I know- that's why I can't believe you aren't circumcising your baby, because my doctor says if you don't do it you have to pull it back and clean under it with alcohol every day!"

Sorry this got so long, but I can't believe how stupid doctors can be. Shouldn't they at least be aware of basic infant care? It scares the crap out of me because I live in a tiny small town where 99.999% of babies are circumcised, so I'm nervous that someone will mess with my son in the hospital. Not that they will actually circ. him, but that they will try to "clean" him. I am afraid I will have to be very pushy and forward, but what about when I can't be there? (Immediately after delivery only- afterwards I will keep him with me.) Any suggestions?

Thanks for letting me vent! Also, any good basic info I could print and send to sister would be great!

Melissa
post #2 of 23
: Oh my dear Lord! Unfreakingreal! I don't even know what to say!
post #3 of 23
Is there someone else who can go with your DS immediately after delivery? My husband went with our DS to the nursery right after delivery & stayed with him till they brought him back to me. So he was never alone with any of the nurses or doctors.
post #4 of 23
Thread Starter 

Yeah, I'll send DH with the baby...

But I am seriously concerned that he won't dare say anything. Actually, my aunt is a nurse at the local hospital and has offered to come in when I am in labor to assist. I think I will have a talk with her and ask that she be the one to care for DS in the nursery and let her know what my concerns are. (She will probably think I am weird for not circ-ing, but she will definitely respect my feelings on the matter- she is great that way!)

Thanks! Anything to save DS from my poor nephew's fate!

Melissa
post #5 of 23
alcohol? I think he needs to be reported. I wouldn't know where to start but he is giving out false and even dangerous information.

I'm not surprised the child changed though. He was giving to parents who nearly immediately put his penis under the knife.
post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 

That's what I thought...

Any doctor so misinformed ought to have some kind of reprimand.

The thing that is so sad is that my Sister is otherwise a fantastic parent. It is all she has EVER wanted, and has been such a struggle for her that she treasures her son even more. Unfortunately, because she is so worried about being a good mom, when a doctor (who should be intelligent and a great source of information) "freaks out" (her words) when she even mentions she doesn't want to circumcise, she automatically doubts her gut instinct and figures she must be wrong. Doctors like that shouldn't be allowed to practice. According to my sister, he told her he spends one day a week at the hospital JUST performing circumcisions! Does that sound insane to you?

I wish I could have done more to help.

Melissa
post #7 of 23

Similar, but different story w/ my nephew

His ped forcibly retracted his foreskin at his annual 3 yr exam. SIL said she was surprised how far back it could be retracted. I was so mad. I told her the doc has probably never seen an intact foreskin and so took the opportunity to "inspect" her son's inside & out!!! They're also in a very highly circumcising community (though for non religious /social reasons).

But on a good note, picked a friend up from the hospital w/ her new son and learned on the ride home that they decided against circ! WAHOO!!!
post #8 of 23
As far as the hospital is concerned, it would be my guess that they wouldn't fuss much over the foreskin immediatly after birth, considering that their expectation is that it'll be removed in a matter of hours anyway. If you feel your husband would be uncomfortable speaking up, maybe you could prepare a note in advace explaining not to retract and why, so all DH has to do is hand over an envelope? On the other hand, he might suprise you & turn into a big protective Pa Pa Bear!
post #9 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthiesmom
allowed to practice. According to my sister, he told her he spends one day a week at the hospital JUST performing circumcisions! Does that sound insane to you?
Sounds like he didn't want to miss out getting paid to do one more circ so he had to scare her into it!
post #10 of 23
This is just horrible! (I think this is the first time I've used that word here) This is absolutely and without a doubt the worst case I have ever heard of. The glans and inner foreskin remnant is mucosal skin for g-sakes! It is so sensitive to alcohol that it's not even funny. Many years ago, I was using some of the old squeeze bottle spray deodorant and the whole tip of the bottle blew out of it spraying the deodorant out in a burst. Well, I was standing in front of the sink naked and some of it got on my penis and it burned like fire. I nearly flooded the bathroom throwing water on it trying to get the burning to stop. I can not imagine the agony this child is going through every day. Someone needs to dip this jerk's penis in a bottle of alcohol every day. If any of you ladies want to see what this child is experiencing, just rub some alcohol on your vulva and see how it feels.

What a sad situation!




Frank
post #11 of 23
alcohol????? :

poor little guy. someone needs to take a potato peeler to that guy's penis and then "clean" it with alcohol. what an ignorant quack.

nak
post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 

One good thing...

At least my sister realized that she should NOT continue to put alcohol anywhere near baby's penis. But I shudder to think what would have happened if she had not circumcised, but allowed her dr. to convince her that baby needed to be retracted and cleaned that way every day!

Poor little boy! I find it kind of ironic that my family looked at me like I had two heads when I made it clear we would not circ., but things like this are taken in stride.

Melissa
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by ruthiesmom
I am afraid I will have to be very pushy and forward, but what about when I can't be there? (Immediately after delivery only- afterwards I will keep him with me.) Any suggestions?
Don't let them take him to the nursery at all? There's no reason a healthy babe has to leave your room, and you definately should not be separated right after birth! New AAP guidelines back this up, so you might want to print it out and attach it to your birth plan (which you should make a zillion copies of and give to all staff, tape to your door, etc,).
post #14 of 23
Thread Starter 

Jeni-

What a great idea! Do you know the link to the AAP guidelines? I wonder if my smalltown hospital would be agreeable, or if I would have to fight them?

-Melissa
post #15 of 23
It's about 1/4 down the page here: http://aappolicy.aappublications.org...rics;115/2/496 . It's specifically about the breastfeeding relationship, but that's important too! They shouldn't fight you, I mean how can they argue with the AAP? Then again, this is the medical industry we're talking about here.
post #16 of 23
Just wanted to let you know that I had a hospital birth and nobody ever suggested even taking the baby out of my room! Every type of exam was done in my room, on my bed! I was at very progressive hospital though. I don't think they can forcefully remove the baby from the mom in ANY hospital though.
post #17 of 23
Depends on your definition of "forcefully." Does medical exaggeration qualify? Does badgering, emotional manipulation, or abuse qualify? Does legal threat qualify? I know a ton of babies who have been put in the nursery for observation for dubious reasons, and parents who have been told that the basic procedures are ONLY done in the nursery in their hospitals. Also hospitals with a "policy" of only nurses in the nursery w/ the babies.
post #18 of 23
the man should have his liscense pulled for providing such wrong medical information.

Brina
post #19 of 23
Bad, Bad, Bad

If it is one thing that really gets to me it is people who hand out false information. And I know that this doctor probably believes what he says is true. What is he actively doing to ensure that he is keeping his information current? Is he asking himself why he has seen so many problems with a body part that all males are born with? Is he asking himself what could be contributing to the problems instead of assuming that the foreskin is somehow a bad design?

Oh I feel so sorry for your poor sister. You know, I once heard that Disney filmed all those lemmings jumping over the cliff by herding them there!
post #20 of 23
sorry; I can't find any sympathy for the sister. doc is a pedophile so his behavior is to be expected, but I have no idea what her excuse is. If I had had you for a sister 29 years ago, my DS#1 would be intact.

I roomed in with my DS#2 starting 12 hours after his birth. For the first 12 hours his life mom protected him. I was with him in hospital for 48 hours and 3 separate people asked me about circing. I told them all that since DH was intact we were leaving the baby to look like his Daddy. (a lie, btw, but I LOVE saying that to people ) the last person to ask was our contact person from the agency "Is his circ going to be done in the morning then?" I was glad to get him outta there!
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