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post #141 of 424
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Hi all!

I am back from our family vacation. And happy to be at home, sleeping in my own bed and eating my own food instead of dining out each night.

Welcome newcomers to our thread. I am going to start a new one on Monday, so be looking for it!

Mama Rana -- while I can sympathize with your loss of vaginal birth, I think it is probable that positioning was a factor in why your baby was not delivered vaginally. I think I would be more pissed with the midwife than the doctor who did it. Surely she felt that your baby was in a posterior or like position and if not, I would question her skills as a midwife. There are many positions in labor to help babies move into the right position at birth, as I have seen Pam discuss them many times on these boards. Your baby for whatever was in that position, refused to move into a proper position, and honestly you may not know why.

Also I wanted to touch on something, it was something I thought about this week while on vacation. I read so many stories about home birth transfers or birthcenter transfers to hospitals, where then the mothers (or their original providers) blame the doctor for their csections. While I think its one thing to have a bedside manner that accompanies compassion and grace, I also have begin to look at how these doctors must feel - being presented with a patient they have never seen, in a distressful or even an emergency situaiton, that has gone against mainstream medicine. Having members of my family in the medical field I now begin to understand that liability is a big threat to their careers and their own personal lives.

For Catilins Mommy, I want to say that I hope you accomplish your goals as a birth attendant but please keep in mind, as I have come across this in the natural family community and natural childbirth community, that judgement and harshness of those who choose or are okay with their csections is not a good thing. I believe it can be a good thing and is. I wasn't okay with my first csection, however I do acknowledge the choices I made prior to my first csection made my experience worse. I wasn't ignorant. In fact I was informed and thought a csection was next to horrible death. It is one reason I never recommend the Silent Knife. I read it before having a csection, and not only did it exagerate a great deal and give an interpretation of certain studies that I now feel are inaccurate (and outdated now), it caused me to mistrust my doctor but also myself. I've had a wonderful cesarean experience and I am planning a third. My healing didn't came from that experience but it also came from acknowledging my own judgement and choices when it came to birth.

I think its wonderful to take our anger and do something with it that is good for women (and children), but I think we need to keep in mind that our passion can get misdirected and it can hurt people. Sometime our own personal truths, are not anothers. Doctors are trained to manage birth and to do surgeries - if you follow that line of thinking then you make the choice to do so and must live by those choices, there are also competent OBs that will work with their patients to accomplish goals and to work cooperatively to get the births we want. Unfortunately I am finding that more and more homebirtheres are not getting adequate backup that support their choices nor work cooperatively with them should they get transferred to hospitals. I also find that midwives, are not preparing their clients in case of transfers, what they should expect and what their options may be should they have to have surgical births. Its a gap that really needs to be bridged.
post #142 of 424
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Originally Posted by OnTheFence
Mama Rana -- while I can sympathize with your loss of vaginal birth, I think it is probable that positioning was a factor in why your baby was not delivered vaginally. I think I would be more pissed with the midwife than the doctor who did it. Surely she felt that your baby was in a posterior or like position and if not, I would question her skills as a midwife. There are many positions in labor to help babies move into the right position at birth, as I have seen Pam discuss them many times on these boards. Your baby for whatever was in that position, refused to move into a proper position, and honestly you may not know why.

Also I wanted to touch on something, it was something I thought about this week while on vacation. I read so many stories about home birth transfers or birthcenter transfers to hospitals, where then the mothers (or their original providers) blame the doctor for their csections. While I think its one thing to have a bedside manner that accompanies compassion and grace, I also have begin to look at how these doctors must feel - being presented with a patient they have never seen, in a distressful or even an emergency situaiton, that has gone against mainstream medicine. Having members of my family in the medical field I now begin to understand that liability is a big threat to their careers and their own personal lives.
I actually do/did have issues with this particular mw. the bc was a group of 4, and the one who ended up attending me was the youngest/least experienced, and seemed a bit... i don't know, i just always hoped it wouldn't be her on call when i went into labor. as for knowing the presentation, i'm not a mw, obviously, but the way i understood it was that because of the swelling on his head it was masking the fontanel so she couldn't get a good read on his position. she did have me change position quite a bit. you're right i will never know. i sometimes wish i had kicked everyone out for a few minutes so i could find my focus better. my energy was ebbing but i could have pushed longer if it would have made a diff.

as for the dr. bedside manner, it may well be stressful for him from a liability standpoint, but this was their back-up doc. you'd think he would have known what he was getting into, been "used" to it, and have more respect for mw, etc. i dunno, he just really bugged me.

thanks for your thoughts.
post #143 of 424
Hey Everybody...

I've been MIA for quite awhile. I just had my second c-section...way better than the first. I was up and walking within 8 hours! No pain meds again, just the occasional ibuprofen. I can't tell you how much better a planned c/s is compared to my crash one under general. Baby came out perfect this time!

I have a few questions. I seem to have some lumpy painful blobs of scar tissue, particularly on the left side above the incision. Has anyone else experienced this? Never had this problem with my first one. Although I only have mild pain, it seems to be continuing much longer than the last time. I am four weeks out now. I see my mw next week...

Any suggestions on how to improve the scar tissue and pain?
post #144 of 424
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Originally Posted by srmina
Hey Everybody...

I've been MIA for quite awhile. I just had my second c-section...way better than the first. I was up and walking within 8 hours! No pain meds again, just the occasional ibuprofen. I can't tell you how much better a planned c/s is compared to my crash one under general. Baby came out perfect this time!

I have a few questions. I seem to have some lumpy painful blobs of scar tissue, particularly on the left side above the incision. Has anyone else experienced this? Never had this problem with my first one. Although I only have mild pain, it seems to be continuing much longer than the last time. I am four weeks out now. I see my mw next week...

Any suggestions on how to improve the scar tissue and pain?
Are you perhaps feeling your stitches? Mine were on the inside (I had stitches on my uterus and under my skin, and super glue on the outside) and I could feel them, like little lumps under my skin for a while.
post #145 of 424
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Drs Appt Today

I had an OB appointment today. I am 27 weeks. I go back in three weeks. I gained 2lbs but would like to know where. I have been walking and eating really well and look smaller than I did 20 weeks ago. Still two lbs for the entire pregnancy thus far is not bad.

"Katie" is breech. Her head is in the right quadrant of the uterus, her butt down and her legs moving about in the bottom of the left horn. This is exactly how I carried my daughter. I doubt she will be able to flip around much more due to her compromised quarters. I actually prefer her to be breech. If she remains this way my csection will be around the 37th week mark vs the 38th due to risk of cord injuries. I predict she is going to be smaller than Jack (weighing 7lbs 12oz at 38 weeks). She actually measures smaller. I told Jeff that I am guessing she will weigh between 6 and a half and 7lbs.

My 4D ultrasound is scheduled for April 13th. We are getting two sequences burned to CD and hope I can load it to a website for your viewing enjoyment. LOL

I talked with my OB about getting a tubal. I go back and forth on it. I am really unsure. After talking with me today she doesnt think I am a good candidate and says I really need to be sure before doing it. She said if down the road if I got pregnant again she would be willing to deliver another baby by csection. We talked about the Mirena IUD. My husband doesnt think I will do and said he will go get snipped. I really dont want him to get snipped either. He says NO MORE. I really dont want any more children, but I keep thinking "what if" (like we win the lotto... LOL) So some decisions to be made for sure..
post #146 of 424

Birth Story! (long)

Hi, I have not posted here in about a month, but we have been busy . My last post was about a birth plan and thanks to all who responded. I did make one up and used it to talk to my doctor.

Lillian Mary was born on March 5 at 8:32 AM. She weighed 6lb 8 oz and was 18 inch long.

Just FYI - this was my 3rd section (1st was failed induction/malpresentation, 2nd was pre-e). I was having all the symptoms of pre-e, and had a non-responsive NST, so we made the decision to deliver at 36 weeks. This was Friday afternoon, and doc gave me the option of going home or staying in the hospital over night (we live 1.5 hours away). I chose to go home and spend 1 last night with my 2 girls. We went out to dinner and had a relaxing night. Sat we got up early and dropped the girls off at MIL’s house and were at the hospital at 6:15. I got checked in and hooked up to the IV by 7 and found out that my 2 favorite nurses were on delivery duty (I had been having NST for 6 weeks, so knew the staff well).

I walked into the delivery room at 8:08 and got my spinal. It only took effect on the left side of my body, so they rolled me side to side to get it evenly distributed, but this also caused it to go really high in my chest, which made me feel like my chest was being sat on and hard to breath. The awesome anthestiologist talked me threw it and said after the baby was out it would be better and then she could give me something to help it. Dh in the room by then and they were cutting. We had asked to video it, which everyone thought was weird, but cool! Dh was standing by my head and a lot of the video is of the Dr.’s elbow. Lillian was breech and they grabbed her butt and pulled her legs out and she peed all over the Dr. They pulled her the rest of the way out at 8:32 (only 24 min since I walked in). My second section, I had tons of scar tissue and it took just over 45 min to get the baby out. The Dr cut much lower this time to avoid that (same Dr).

They took the baby to the warmer off to the side, but were I could still see. Dh went and held her as they wiped her off and brought her to me. I held her for a few min, then they (dh and nurse) took her down the hall to the nursery to weigh her and wait for me.

Dr finished sewing my up, while having a great conversation with me and anthestioligist and I went to recovery. (Because it was Sat morning, there is only one recovery room nurse, I had to recover in the recovery room and not my LDRP room). My temp was really low (~92, so I was wrapped in warm blankets which was really nice!). They don’t know why it dropped (probably shock, but I felt fine), but it took about 24 hours for it to be normal. After a while ( 30min??) Dh came in and said baby was fine and told me her stats. He was headed back to the baby when one of the L&D nurses came and got him because baby was having a hard time breathing and they were going to put her on oxygen and wanted to give him the option of holding her. She was taking 120-160 breaths per min and her oxygen level was in the 40s (normal is 60-80 bpm and 100% oxygen). If she was on oxygen, her bpm stayed high, but her oxygen would come up to 80%. They put her in an oxygen tent and called our FP doc. FP had just gone back to her office, because she had been at the delivery. She wanted X-rays, while they were waiting for the results, so came to see me in recovery and talk to me. This was very reassuring, and I really appreciated it! The X-rays showed that her lungs could not expand because her stomach was full of fluid. They drained 28 oz of fluid from her stomach and she immediately started breathing easier, but still very fast (120 bpm) and would de-stat if her oxygen was turned down. They started an IV to give her some fluids hoping that would help. This is about 10:00 and I came back to my room. The nurses brought me pictures of her and dh was back and forth between baby and I. Every 2 hours they would try and turn down the Oxygen level, she would immediately start having problems again and they would have to turn it back up. The Dr said it often takes 24 hours for a baby to recover and breathe normal. They nurses came in every little while to check on me and give me an update. At 3:00 they said they turned down the oxygen and she was doing well, so they would continue to slowly wean her off. At about 4:30 they said she was off, but they wanted her in the nursery for 1 hour on room air, they I could have her! Just after 5:00, they brought her to me!! I was so happy just to hold her (and all her cords). They left us alone for a long time, which was really nice. We called our parents and dds and everyone came to meet her at about 8:00.

We went home on Monday afternoon (I hate the hospital and my Dr know and respects that) and are doing well.

Lillian is a very happy easy baby!

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jessmc...g727/my_photos
post #147 of 424
Big Congrats Jess and welcome to little miss Lillian, off to look at the pics now!
post #148 of 424
Congrats, Jess! She's beautiful!!! I have to be so careful ... I'm in such newborn longing right now ...
post #149 of 424
What a great story

DOn't you love those conversations with the ob and everyone. My operating room was awesome. I can remember the OB talking about gtoing to Africa and delivering babies and such. It was an awesome experience. Bryce was also on O2 for 30 hours. He had the same issue. I was able to bf first because he didn't show signs of trouble for the first 2 hours. Then the nurse noticed his panting and caught it

Anyway, congrats! I'm glad it went well.
post #150 of 424
Thread Starter 
Jess,

Thanks for sharing your story with us!
I also like conversation in the OR. At my last csection they joked about TV commercials. LOL

Congrats on the birth of your baby!!!!
post #151 of 424
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Originally Posted by OnTheFence
Jess,

Thanks for sharing your story with us!
I also like conversation in the OR. At my last csection they joked about TV commercials. LOL

Congrats on the birth of your baby!!!!
:LOL at mine, the ob joked that he wasn't a real doctor, but he had stayed at a holiday inn express the night before. :LOL i said that's not funny, but it was hard to take me seriously because i was laughing. :LOL

jess, congrats
post #152 of 424
We talked hockey, the OB assisting my OB is big into hockey and I play too, he was joking that it was because I was a goalie that I was surviving my c-section without a working spinal Then my OB told the story of when my hockey friends (2 very butch lesbians) walked into my room while I was in hospital for hyperemisis--they didn't realize my OB was standing beside my bed-the curtain covered her and they weren't all the way in yet--they walked in and announced loudly "What have I told you?? There is NO GOOD that can come from sex with a man!!" My ob burst out laughing and my friends were very embarassed
post #153 of 424
Hello everybody!

My name is Val, I'm a newbie here to the Mothering boards and would like to introduce myself a little bit.
I'm SAHM to a 3 year old girl, Emily, and currently 26 wks pregnant with our 2nd child, a little baby boy, Mason.

Emily was born via cesarean at 38 wks after being induced due to the reason, that my ob/gyn thought DD would have a big head -which she didn't 35 cm- and that DD would be very big in general, 21" and 7,7 lbs...
-That all happened in Portugal where we're stationed at that time (DH is in the US Navy) and the Portuguese babies are mostly much smaller -just as they are when they're grown ups..
Aside from that I suffered from severe sciatica for the last 6 weeks b4 I got induced so I was ok with it just for the reason that I wanted to finally have our child and also feel better again!

After arriving at the hospital in the early morning and nothing happened for a day -other than getting slight contractions and feeling terribly sick, my ob/gyn told me that my cervix would be still very firm and closed and probably nothing would change for long time.. So she asked me if I'd like to have Emily delivered by c-section, which I agreed as I honestly only wanted it to be over and holding my little girl finally!
I got the epidural within the next 10 mins after I agreed and shortly after that Emily was born.
DH wasn't allowed to be with me, so he waited next door where he could hold Emily after the examinations. I only got to hold her for the first time after I was stitched up and rolled into my room again; that was about 1 hr. later.

I was still shaking extremely and had on one arm the IV still in, the other one was still having the blood-measure thing around, and the nurses put me on the side to BF Emily. She wouldn't latch on properly, the nurses would grab my breast fairly rude and I found the whole situation very frustrating... FRom then on it only went down, the BF didn't work at all, the next day Emily would be very fussy and cry, so at the end I called for a bottle w/formula as I thought that she'd be starving!.. (Back then I had no support nor real knowledge about BF and it's possible problems.. )
2 months later I gave up BF completely..

Now that I'm pregnant again, I already know that I'll have another c-section ( I can't have a VBAC, which has a lot to do with the circumstances here by the military health care providers etc. -long story..) which I've been very disappointed about at first since I always kinda felt as if I already 'failed' in not having a VB and then also in 'failing' with BF..

By now I've made 'peace' with myself and accepted the fact that it'll be a cesarean and try to see some positive sides of it, like for ex. scheduling the delivery 1-2 weeks b4 EDD!

At first when I got pregnant again I firmly believed that I'd FF and not even try one day for BF! (Deep inside I felt hurt and very emotional about the whole issue and resented everything that had to do with BF!..) But over the time I thought more and more about it and realized that my little baby boy deserves the same chance and benefits his sister had and initially thought I'd only BF for the first weeks, so he'd get the colostrum etc. Well, by now I've changed my mind completely and am determined to BF sucessfully for as long as DS wants to!

Honestly my biggest concern is the c-section and the question how it'll go with the BF. I know the hospital is very baby friendly and seems to be very pro BF, so that should be a big help already.

I've set up a birth plan in which I'm making clear that I plan on BFing and that I don't wish Mason to get any pacifiers nor bottles w/water or sugar water. Also I wrote down that I wish to hold Mason as soon as possible after delivery etc.I guess I'm just still nervous since I had such a negative experience with Emily...

I'm looking forward to read more or your stories! -So far I've to admit I only read a few...
Congrats to all of you fresh moms!!!

Have a nice day!
post #154 of 424
I wish I'd found this thread sooner!

I'm about 26 weeks along in my 6th pregnancy. I've had several years of difficulty conceiving, three miscarriages and two c-sections (one emergency, one scheduled slightly ahead - both for breech babies). The doctors are recommending another section this time, because I've already had two. But, I've never really come to terms with my first section (in 1993!!), let alone my second, so I'm pushing for a VBAC.

When I was pregnant with my miracle baby girl in 2003, everything looked good, and the OB expected me to be able to VBAC. But, at my last regular checkup, her head had moved, and it turned out that she had moved into a breech (feet down) position, so I was scheduled for a section two days later. A lot of people tell me that's easier than an emergency procedure, but I found it more difficult in many ways. It also took me by surprise because I wasn't really expecting it to happen again. I knew there was a possibility that labour wouldn't proceed well, but I thought I'd at least labour again.

I've done quite a bit of research this time, and my OB is at least willing to consider an attempt at VBA2C. I'm not comfortable switching care providers this far along, and I had originally decided to accept the ruling that his had to be a section. I think I'll be able to deal with it better knowing that I've at least tried my best, instead of feeling like a cog in the medical machine.

One thing I'm going to try to fight for, though - the policy at my hospital is to send you to the post-op recovery room after the section. I thought I was going to go completely out of my mind lying in bed, watching my blood pressure/hearrate monitor, and being asked every ten minutes if I could wiggle my toes. All I wanted was to see my husband and hold my precious little baby. Instead, I just watched my monitor and listened to other people coming out of general anaesthetics...not a really comforting post-partum environment! This time, I want my baby with me!!
post #155 of 424
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Originally Posted by caitlinsmom
Thank you for your replies. i would have screamed if someone said "at least baby is here and healthy"!
Did nobody say it to you? It seemed as though everyone dismissed my feelings about my sections with "at least the baby's healthy - that's what really counts". What - I don't count? I'm not an incubator!

But, people just don't understand and/or think about what they're saying. I've had three miscarriages (one at about 7 weeks, the others at 12), and every single time, people said "well, at least you know you can have children", because I had my son. When you've been trying to have a baby for five years, and all you have to show for it is three miscarriages, lines like that are a little hard to take!

I'm trying for a VBA2C now. And, I've once again had people say "why does it matter? As long as the baby's healthy, who cares how it's born?". Newflash! I care how it's born!. I admire you women who have come to terms with your sections and had positive experiences. I just don't feel as though a section is given birth at all. However, after this one, I'm still planning one more, and my OB will willingly do four sections, so that's not a problem, at least.
post #156 of 424
Storm Bride, many of us have recovered with our babies, my baby never left mine or my husbands arms and the only time I was separated from my husband was the trip back to my room, I took a different route than him.

I hope as well that you can come to terms with your c-sections, I have to say, in my opinion a c-section birth is indeed a birth, it's a little different, but I still gave birth to my baby

To be honest, the at least you have a healthy baby doesn't bother me in the least. After 3 miscarriages and a pregnancy where I injected myself with heparin twice a day and took countless other drugs to keep her alive and get her as far as 37 weeks, I gotta say, the only failure in my mind would have been not bringing her home. Perhaps I'm just totally missing something but after the losses and knowing people with beautiful births that produced still babies, I really do fail to see the problem with "at least he/she's healthy" I can get people being pissed about "at least her head is round" but for me at least the big goal was to hold my dd.
post #157 of 424
Shannon That was a great post

I have a hard time saying I gave birth to my babies. My dh corrects me on this point. I "Gave life to my babies" birth is what I'm still working on

.
post #158 of 424
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Originally Posted by shannon0218
Storm Bride, many of us have recovered with our babies, my baby never left mine or my husbands arms and the only time I was separated from my husband was the trip back to my room, I took a different route than him.

I hope as well that you can come to terms with your c-sections, I have to say, in my opinion a c-section birth is indeed a birth, it's a little different, but I still gave birth to my baby

To be honest, the at least you have a healthy baby doesn't bother me in the least. After 3 miscarriages and a pregnancy where I injected myself with heparin twice a day and took countless other drugs to keep her alive and get her as far as 37 weeks, I gotta say, the only failure in my mind would have been not bringing her home. Perhaps I'm just totally missing something but after the losses and knowing people with beautiful births that produced still babies, I really do fail to see the problem with "at least he/she's healthy" I can get people being pissed about "at least her head is round" but for me at least the big goal was to hold my dd.


Shannon : Thanks for the perspective. I know I have a lot to be thankful for, and I look at ds everyday and want to cry for how wonderful he is. I still wish he'd been born differently. I don't have the words to explain it, but I do. But when all is said and done, you're right that the most important thing is taking the baby home.
post #159 of 424
Shannon: I do understand what you're saying about a healthy baby, and of course I'm happy that both my babies are healthy. It's the usual rider of "that's what counts" that I have trouble with. It is the most important thing, but it's not the only thing. I still try to work on the "I gave birth" part of things, but I don't seem to make much progress. To me, birth seems to be something a mother should actually be involved in somehow...

I'm glad I've come here and read about other women's experiences. Before I found this board, I'd never even heard about women being able to be with their babies right after a section. I got to "hold" (with my hands and arms all taped up and stuff...my husband actually held her) precious Emma for about 10 seconds (long enough for one picture) before they took her away again.
post #160 of 424
I decided I was involved in my birth by having my birth plan. Making requests and having things as ideal as possible.

It hurts my heart to think of new moms being denied their babies for hours while they recover. When TRacy was born he was with me the entire time. He was born, he was quickly evaluated, and a nurse held him while I was stitched up. My dh wanted me to hold him first, and I think he was secretly too nervous and scared . Tracy was with me in recovery and we even experienced his first elevator ride together at about 30 minutes old.

Bryce on the other hand was taken to the nursery for evaluation and I was told it would be about 45 minutes to an hour after I went to recovery before I would see him. I'm not sure why but for some reason I was ok with it. Thinking back it bothers me that I was like, "Duh, ok." Anyway, they brought him to me 5 minutes after telling me it would be 45-60 :LOL They said he was not happy and latching onto everything. They could weigh and measure him later So, the hospital I was at was very much in favor of letting the "rules" slide for the benefit of the child. IT was so cool because when you would walk into the maternity ward the nurses were sitting holding the babies. Where Tracy was born they didn't handle them at all. Bryce was in the NICU for 30 hours. It was because of the atmosphere of our birthing place that I felt so at ease. I just can't explain how that place made our birth better.
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