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post #1 of 23
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How do I phrase this. I mean do i just come right out and say I have had bad experiances with 2 dr now and I am uncomfortable with him even touching Xander's penis? I dont want to come off sounding like a crazy person but I am just to uncomfortable now with any dr. touching him after having 1 dr. try to retract and the other pulling the forskin back some, even that made me very uncomfortable. I just dont see the point in that needing to be done since xander has had no problems at all and I dont want to risk it I mean I like some of the peds in the practice but i just cant trust them with this knowing how ignorent some dr are about the care of intact boys.Any thoughts would be greatly appriciated. Is it even neccisary for the ped to even look under his diaper at all???
post #2 of 23
After the doctor retracting Bran last week, I decided to draw up a letter, and I will have it notorized and placed in Bran's file, saying that any procedure involving Bran's genitals will only be done after I am informed on every aspect of the procedure and I give full written consent. Other procedures are not to be done, and no one is to touch his penis without my written consent. That should cover all the bases...
post #3 of 23
I think I have read that there are valid reasons for a ped. to check the diaper area - I'm not sure though. I told me ped. the first time I met him that I was very wary and overcautious and was just making sure he knew I didn't want my son's foreskin manipulated in any way unless there seemed to be an issue and we discussed that issue first. He was fine with that.

My ped. always asks if there are concerns or questions before he starts the exam and I brought the subject up right away. If I were you, I'd just say it upfront, before any dr. gets near your babies' diaper area. Better safe than sorry!

Good luck.
post #4 of 23
HOw about, "I have had some past experiences with pedis retracting my sons foreskin. I feel strongly about this. I would like your assurances that this will not be done."
post #5 of 23
You can always blame someone else, too. "It's very important to my husband that you not touch his penis. Can I have your assurance that you will not do that?"
post #6 of 23
'please don't touch his penis'
post #7 of 23
There are some legitimate reasons for a pediatrician or FP to check such as for undescended testicles, hypospadius, hernia, etc. However, if he has been checked for these issues, there is no need to check again and you can just tell the doctor that all of the issues in the diaper area have been checked and don't need to be done again. In other words "Stay out of the diaper area."



Frank
post #8 of 23
When Mandela went in for his 15 mo wbc, his doc poked at the lymph node spots and said "And his testicles remain descended?" didn't even check... finally trusted that I would notice if they went scurrying back up?
This was also the first time she did not ask if we were going to have him circ'd I guess she finally gets it

On the other hand, I was with a group of mainstream moms doing a little scrpabookin' together and we were looking at each others' books when one of the moms suddenly yelled "Look at the size of his penis!" It was a picture of DS at 2 months I just casually looked over and said "Well, yeah; that's what they look like when you don't cut the end off." lots of silence after that bomb :LOL I have seen other boys' intact bodies and DS is pretty dang long, but I couldn't resist
post #9 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thank all of u for your input. Stevie :LOL : that is so funny I can just see the looks on there faces. Whatever it takes to get people to think twice about things.
post #10 of 23
Stevie, that was a very sharp response - absolutely perfect !!! I, too, would love to have seen the facial expressions. Good for you !!
post #11 of 23
Greetings,
just wondering ,.... why do doctors retract penis'???
one of my DS is fully circ.. DUE TO A LIEING DOCTOR TELLING ME THAT HE HAD PENIL ADHESIONS AND THEY WOULD NEVER GO AWAY AND HE WOULD HAVE PROBLEMS FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.. so at 2 yrs old he was circed by lazor and under general anst.. :
also #2 DS was HALF @@SED CIRC by pedi who messed him up sooooo bad!!!
DS still has forskin.. and has had infections cause of it.. now #3 DS is NOT AND WILL NOT (unless he chooses) circed.. but he has NEVER been retracted by anyoen but himself(if he does)... so why do they do it???
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by Tummy
Greetings,
just wondering ,.... why do doctors retract penis'???
one of my DS is fully circ.. DUE TO A LIEING DOCTOR TELLING ME THAT HE HAD PENIL ADHESIONS AND THEY WOULD NEVER GO AWAY AND HE WOULD HAVE PROBLEMS FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.. so why do they do it???
Well, It's obvious you have been doing some reading and learning. It's a rotten shame that the doctors don't do the same but they don't and remain ignorant. What ever they learned in med school is all most of them will ever know because the vast majority of them never further their education. Not only that, but they also get arrogant and think they know everything. They refuse to follow the advise of their own medical professions. I can't tell you how many mothers have come here and told of their doctors rejecting information from The AAP, AMA and like orgainzations because they think they are smarter and know better.

Yeah, that doctor did lie to you. Maybe not consciously but he/she presented himself/herself as a medical professional well versed in the healthcare of you and your family when in fact he was not and was thus incompent to take your money in exchange for professional services. That doctor assumed he/she knew what to do and what was normal and what was abnormal when in fact he/she was no more compent to diagnose this than he/she was to diagnose a computer problem in his/her car and advise the mechanic. Instead of assuming, he/she should have come to the internet and researched it.

However, even with this approach, there is a problem for the doctor. For a doctor to admit that they didn't know the subject would be to admit he/she was fallible and did not have an encyclopedic knowledge of the body and his/her profession and they perceive that would affect their credibility. well, they certainly can't let that happen! It would show that they weren't perfect!

Two recent events come to mind along this subject. First, there was a study announce last week that showed if you were taken to an emergency room in cardiac failure (heart attack) you are 10% less likely to survive if your doctor has been in practice more than 20 years than if your doctor has been in practice less than 10 years. That's right! That was not a typo. The less experience your doctor has, the better your chances of survival. Wonder why that is?

The other thing was a friend called me last week in a panic. Her 2.5 year old grandson was diagnosed with Kawasaki syndrome. (No, it has nothing to do with motorcycles) Luckily, he was quickly diagnosed and promptly treated. The pediatrician was on the ball with this one. Kawasaki syndrome is a condition of unknown origin and is very rare occuring in about 6 of 100,000 children. It is almost unknown in children over 5 years old. The vast majority of pediatricians will never have a patient with this condition during their entire practice. The bad thing about it is if it is not promptly treated, in 20% to 25% of it's victims, it results in permanent and life threatening heart and vascular damage. The good thing is that the treatment is very simple consisting of acetalsalicytic acid (asprin) and IV immunoglobulin for 5 to 7 days. Now, if her grandson's doctor had been one of the vast majority who had never seen one of these cases and just shot from the hip like your son's pediatrician did, that child could live a lifetime with a heart condition or the very real chance of developing a deadly anneurism that would end his life early. Even in later life, he would be in constant danger of a stroke or cerebral hemmorhage.

I've said it before and I think it is still appropriate that if the doctor is this wrong about this, what else is he/she just as wrong about? Where else is the doctor short on knowledge and diagnostic skills and is willing to shoot from the hip? What if it was a case of Kawasake syndrome and he/she shot from the hip and gave the wrong treatment as he/she did with his penis?

I once had a beautiful blonde cocker spaniel. He was the English version with slender muscular body, "feathers" on the back of his legs and wispy curls. He was also my best buddy. One Saturday morning, it was obvious something was very wrong. He was showing very clear symptoms. I had him at the vet's office within 20 minutes. When the autopsy report came back but not before then, he was diagnosed with encephalitis . . . . Is this the kind of care you want for your child? If not, I recommend that the next time you see this doctor's office that it be in your rear view mirror.




Frank
post #13 of 23
Well, my doctor's not touching Bran's penis anymore... Bran had to go in today because he was sick, and after my last experience there, I didn't want to take chances. So I handed him the AAP guidelines for care of an intact penis...the doctor sat there, read them, and asked if he could keep them! So, sometimes handing them published information works too!
post #14 of 23
Maybe some wahm somewhere can make a diaper and stitch "Do NOT retract my foreskin" on the front of it!
post #15 of 23
AllyRae - Could you post a link to the AAP guidelines? Thanks!
post #16 of 23
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one of the moms suddenly yelled "Look at the size of his penis!" It was a picture of DS at 2 months I just casually looked over and said "Well, yeah; that's what they look like when you don't cut the end off." lots of silence after that bomb
OMG! Oh, that was perfect! Absolutly perfect! I would've been feelin' good for days after that!
post #17 of 23
OH, I love the "Well, yeah; that's what they look like when you don't cut the end off." I noticed when I changed a friend's circ'd boy's diaper that his penis seemed soo small, I am just so accustomed to changing lil' man's.

Our ped doesn't really check lil' man's diaper area anymore. He asked me last time if there were any issues down there, I said no, and that was that. He seems to be anti-circ. I think direct is best. I also suggest hovering, or holding your baby. My ped had always asked me in the past to take off his diaper to check him, so one remedy would be to tell him that he is all fine and no problems, no need to check!
post #18 of 23
FWIW my Dd's diaper area was checked I want to say for the first year. They always did something with her hips during the exam (like moving her legs in a circular way with the hands on the hip sockets to be sure they were moving properly I think) and they had her diaper off for that. So I think there are legitimate reasons to have the diaper off but not touching the genitals. I don't think my DD's genitals have ever been touched during an exam.
post #19 of 23
hi, havnt read all the post yet so if this redundent sorry but i have a baby crying and grabbing and trying to kill me but i really wanted to share this. we gave it to our dr and 3th0at was the end of that

http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/care.htm
post #20 of 23
After reading the story about hte little boy who died of diaper rash, I wonder if peds are going to be more insistant to see the diaper (rash) area?
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