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post #1 of 51
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We are white foster parents, and have recently had two black children placed with us. The first time we had a black child, there were no issues, but this time there are.

The (white) workers and the (black) mother were complaining about our care of the children's hair and personal hygiene (the kids are boys, and old enough to do their own). Anyway, one especially has really dry skin, so we were limiting showers to every other day.

This wasn't good enough for the workers, and I got a number of phone calls that they needed to shower twice a day. I was given a list of stuff needed for their hair (shampoo with conditioner, more conditioner, hairspray), and body (shower gel, baby soap, lotion etc.). Our agency also runs a seminar on black skin and hair care, and here is where I have the issue.

I was given the seminar handout by the (black) worker who does it. I'll skip the medical and psychosocial parts (their words), but the routine is like this:

Hygiene:

birth-3 yrs. bath or shower, twice a day, bath foam, baby soap sponge/loofah, lotion.

3-10yrs. 2 shower/bath per day, moisturizing soap/loofah/lotion/lip balm/hand cream

10+ as above, but intensive lotion.


Hair care:

0-4 months, washed twice a day, baby shampoo/baby oil.

4 months - 5 years, boys - as part of shower (ie. twice a day); girls once a week. When boys' hair is difficult to comb, then it needs cut, a girl's needs corn rows.

5+ years, no change for boys, girls washed every two weeks. They also talk here about extensions/chemical relaxing for girls.

Isn't this excessive? And how come boys are twice a day, girls are twice a month? I'm having a hard time feeling like I can argue this with them, not being black. But when I was told to buy all the stuff, I was also told that the boys know what's needed and to check with them. Guess what??? At home, they shower every other day, and all they use on their hair is baby shampoo. WTF???? They've even asked us how come they have to do so much here, when they don't at home.

And no, we never let them go out dirty.
post #2 of 51
You're right - it does sound excessive... Why bathe a child twice a day? My kids would have horribly dry skin if I did that.

Not being African American myself (I am Brazilian and have a bit of every race in me) I do not know what to say about their kind of hair, but mine is very curly and dry. I need to put some conditioner in my hair and make it wet if I am to be able to comb it everyday, but my hair would become awful if I did the shampoo thing twice a day.

Why do they have these "special instructions" for personal higyene of African American children only... I am really puzzled about this
post #3 of 51
I'm not a person of color, but why would showering 2x per day be good for dry skin? Every dr I've seen for my dry skin says to limit showers to at least every other day.
post #4 of 51
I have three biracial children, and while I've often struggled with their hair (for separate reasons, as their hair is all different) I have NEVER encountered any advice, from any black people I've asked for advice, that came anywhere CLOSE to matching what you just described. I am really almost speechless. Did someone forget to tell them that black people are human too and not some alien being requiring special care?

1) When young (before 8 or 9) I had them bathe 2ce a week. Otherwise they got really dry skin, ashy, itchy. White kids get dry skin too. Its just not as noticeable. I personally think everyone bathes their kids way too much.

2) Provided lotion.

3) Two of my children wash their hair everytime they shower. The other one, who has more "black" hair, washes it once every few weeks. I provide a hefty conditioner, something that really helps "slicken" their hair. I like Pantene. I've tried "ethnic" products, but here in rural nebraska they are hard to come by, i have to order them, and I didn't notice ANY improvement.

I just want to say I don't really have an advice, but did want to share my experiences. And give you hugs. That sounds hard all around.
post #5 of 51
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Originally Posted by gethane
I am really almost speechless. Did someone forget to tell them that black people are human too and not some alien being requiring special care?
I was thinking the same thing!!
post #6 of 51
shower and wash hair twice a day? I'm not black, but really, I don't see how anyone would have time for this.
post #7 of 51
maybe call a salon that specializes in black hair and ask their opinion on correct hair maintenance for young boys. They may know and give you a bit more insight into other hygiene (sp?) matters.

Good Luck
post #8 of 51
I'm not Black, but my kids are bi-racial, and I raised 4 Black step-children, my step-father was Black, and all my cousins, friends from school.

Bathing twice a day and washing hair twice a day? Gimme a break! It's too drying for the skin and hair. My girls wash their hair once evry 2 weeks, and get it oiled and braided, or else it gets too dry and impossible to comb. My boys have shorter hair and wash with their ONCE daily bath, combing immediately after their bath while it's still wet and easier to comb.

I think somebody is jerking your chain. :

I use Luster's Pink Lotion on their hair. A very gentle glycerine based soap for the body, and only a little bit. I never heard of using hairspray for a boy (or a little girl for that matter!) I used jojoba oil with essential oil of roses for their skin if it got ashy. Shae butter lotions work well too. You can get a prescription "soap" if their skin is really problematic, I used to get it for my son with excema.

Dry skin should be treated from the inside out. My step-daughter is very dark and had very dry skin as a little girl, it used to actually crack, it was so dry,Princess and I gave her cod liver oil daily. See how pretty she is?

This site looks pretty good
http://www.adoptn.org/hair.html
post #9 of 51
That is wild! I've never heard of anything like that.

I'm not Black EITHER but I just wanted to pop on this thread to say that "Of color" is not a synonym for "Black/African-American." It's just a little pet peeve of mine. The whole point of the phrase "of color" is to encompass Asians, Latinos, Native Americans, anyone who is not white. But I do frequently see people using it as a euphemism for "Black/African-American" (as I think it is here). It only bugs me because so often in the US people only see race as black/white which is sometimes really annoying, not to mention inaccurate.

Hope no one takes this the wrong way! I just have a tendency to get hung up on language...
post #10 of 51
IM,

My parents are foster parents, and had 2 black children live with them for almost 2 years. The boys showered once a day, sometimes skipping a day. And they washed their hair once a week or so, unless otherwise needed. Other children were there for shorter time periods, and I remember similar routines.

They did use a lot of lotion and sometimes oil on their body to keep it moisturized.

This was in accordance with their parents wishes and also the social workers. I will have to ask my mom and dad if there was more to it.

That does sound excessive. I hope you find a middle ground.
post #11 of 51
Speaking as a black woman who has a black child. I wash my hair once a week, her hair once every 1-2 weeks depending on if it's braided. I sometimes cornrow her hair and it lasts a little over a week. I personally cannot imagine washing my dd's hair every day (mine either for that matter). She definately only takes a bath every other day or so b/c she has very dry skin and a touch of eczema. I also use the pink lotion on our hair. It does seem to make it more manageable. Basically personal hygiene for a black child is basically the same as any other child except hair products may differ but that's about it.
post #12 of 51
I'm not sure if you are speaking to anything in this thread particularly, or just pointing it out, but the OP asked for moms of color but then in the content of her post mentioned "black" several times. So I don't think any of us were assuming that of color meant black in anything but THIS particular instance .

Of color CAN certainly mean black.. or mixture.. or whatever. I think its best to just say flat out what people mean, personally. Is "of color" supposed to be less offensive? Or just a way to say "I don't really know what you are a mix of so I'll say of color?" Who knows.. but I think people are WAY too sensitive sometimes. No one on this thread is trying to offend anyone. Sometimes I'm afraid to even ask questions about my children's issues because someone will criticize how I asked it.

If you were just offering info, then don't take anything I've said as an offense. I just wasn't sure if you were saying people on THIS thread were assuming (when we weren't, the OP mentioned black) or if you were using this thread to post the info about "of color."

Quote:
Originally Posted by guerrillamama
That is wild! I've never heard of anything like that.

I'm not Black EITHER but I just wanted to pop on this thread to say that "Of color" is not a synonym for "Black/African-American." It's just a little pet peeve of mine. The whole point of the phrase "of color" is to encompass Asians, Latinos, Native Americans, anyone who is not white. But I do frequently see people using it as a euphemism for "Black/African-American" (as I think it is here). It only bugs me because so often in the US people only see race as black/white which is sometimes really annoying, not to mention inaccurate.

Hope no one takes this the wrong way! I just have a tendency to get hung up on language...
post #13 of 51
what 1xmom said. I am black and my kids are black and hispanic.
I am very surprised at their list of demands.
I wash my own hair only once every 10 days and wash my girls hair only once a week to 10 days. DS may wash his hair when he showers he may not. It' snever been as issue. I would still give them a shower everyday though.
My kids get a bath or a shower everynight and I wash them up in the morning(face, hands, private parts). Lotion is very inportent maybe you can mix some baby oil or vaseline with their lotion to help their dry skin. I think they are being excessive and are using the fact that you are white to try to bully you.
Any salon will tell you that the more you wash AA hair the dryer it will be. Pelase don't let them talk you into using creamy crack on tehir hair. It will mess their hair up permantly. When they get older fi they decide not to relax their hair thei will have to cut it all off and tsart over again just to get the relaxer out.
Do you have to listen to them?
post #14 of 51
I definitely wasn't offended.

I just noticed that the OP used the term "of color" interchangeably with "Black." So the problem wasn't that people understood that she meant Black, the problem was in the way OP used the term. So I just wanted to point that out b/c, like I said, it's a pet peeve of mine. But Irish, I'm not picking on you! Again, it's not offensive, just inaccurate, and it's not a big deal, it just bugs me.
post #15 of 51
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Originally Posted by Irishmommy
Hygiene:

birth-3 yrs. bath or shower, twice a day, bath foam, baby soap sponge/loofah, lotion.

3-10yrs. 2 shower/bath per day, moisturizing soap/loofah/lotion/lip balm/hand cream

10+ as above, but intensive lotion.


Hair care:

0-4 months, washed twice a day, baby shampoo/baby oil.

4 months - 5 years, boys - as part of shower (ie. twice a day); girls once a week. When boys' hair is difficult to comb, then it needs cut, a girl's needs corn rows.

5+ years, no change for boys, girls washed every two weeks. They also talk here about extensions/chemical relaxing for girls.

Isn't this excessive? And how come boys are twice a day, girls are twice a month? I'm having a hard time feeling like I can argue this with them, not being black. But when I was told to buy all the stuff, I was also told that the boys know what's needed and to check with them. Guess what??? At home, they shower every other day, and all they use on their hair is baby shampoo. WTF???? They've even asked us how come they have to do so much here, when they don't at home.

And no, we never let them go out dirty.
Alrighty now. I am Black and as a Black person that list is the dumbest thing I have seen in quite a while. : I have dry skin and have always bathed 1x a day, maybe more in the summer when its hot and I'm feeling sticky. However once a day is fine.

As for washing my hair, I have locs and have been natiral (no chemical relaxers for 5 years) and and pretty much wash my hair as often as I want to. When it was shorter and not loced, I did it daily now its every 1-2 weeks, I use no special ethnic hair products. I use Dr. Bronner's shampoo (diluted) and jojoba oil on my hair. Both of which can be found at health food stores.

Frankly the only reason for the differences for boys/girls on that list is because there is a perception that black girl's hair is harder to maintain and therfore needs straightning. : Though getting into the politics of black hair would be a thread unto itself.

Like 1xMom said hygiene for Black kids is the same as anyone else.
post #16 of 51
Well not to drag it off topic too far, but I bet it was hard for Irish to even ask. It's always been hard for me to ask, because I'm always afraid someone will be offended. Then I have to wonder, am I afraid that someone will be offended because I'm racist? Surely not, I was married to a black man for 10 years and have 3 biracial children. But, you know, I was raised in Nebraska, and cultural conditioning is silent and pervasive. So maybe I'm oversensitive because I DO have more issues to work on. Or maybe I've just seen people take offense when none was intended too often. I wish I had lived closer to my exhusband's family. Then I could've asked them all these things. Sigh.. Oh well, that's enough mental vomiting from me.

LOL, it goes on and on. Race is something that is such a huge problem in America, sometimes its hard to even find the words to discuss the problems.
post #17 of 51
And now I feel compelled to edit my post from "America" to the U.S. before someone points out that the U.S. is not the only "america"

LOL.. see? it just never stops. When do we stop getting so worked up about some of this stuff?
post #18 of 51
I can see the possible need for Black hair care tips, but the skin care? And the recommendations for two showers a day? How funky you are has nothing to do with ethnicity.

Ok, seriously...I'm a Black woman with your typical coarse-textured hair (aka "Black hair") and the washing twice a day is overkill. I shampoo my hair once a week and only more often if I've put too much product in it and it's visually very dirty. My girls are biracial and their hair texture is more like my husband's hair (he is white), but I still don't wash theirs every day. In fact, they don't get baths everyday, either. : They do get washed up daily, though.
post #19 of 51
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Originally Posted by gethane
LOL, it goes on and on. Race is something that is such a huge problem in America, sometimes its hard to even find the words to discuss the problems.
I agree. And that sucks. But I think we all -- the "overly" sensitive and "underly" sensitive -- need to just suck it up and talk about it. So if someone is offended by or corrects your lanaguage, you (general you) should be able to take that as constructive criticism and continue with the discussion, instead of not engaging in the discussion because you're afraid of the reactions. And if someone says something you think needs correcting, you (general you) should be able to put it in context and give that person the benefit of the doubt, instead of not engaging in the discussion because you think you're above it all. Does that make sense?

And yes, this is OT and I apologize for going there...

But on the other hand it's not really completely OT, because the sad fact is that we can't talk about anything race-related in this society, even something as supposedly innocuous as hair hygiene, without brushing up against the legacy of racism. And as Shayinme pointed out, hair is pretty political after all.
post #20 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by guerrillamama
But on the other hand it's not really completely OT, because the sad fact is that we can't talk about anything race-related in this society, even something as supposedly innocuous as hair hygiene, without brushing up against the legacy of racism. And as Shayinme pointed out, hair is pretty political after all.
That is so entirely true. I wish I knew how to start the process of fixing it.

Sigh. Anyway.

Hair: My son is 13, and its hard enough to get him to shower. He doesn't want to get his hair cut right now because its cold. So it just kinda sticks up in a scary not quite afro in a halo around his head. He's 13, what can I do? Can't hold him down.

Daughter 1: (12) She just recently had to cut off almost all her hair because he hair tends to dreds and she ended up with this giant ball of dred/hair that she kept hidden from me for months because I always tell them to come to me right away with tangles so we can get it out. However, she loves her short hair, and it looks great on her. Such a traumatic time though, at 12.

Daughter 2: (10) Has more what you'd call "black" hair. But then she decided to get it cut and now (about a chin length type bob) its WAY more manageable than it was.

Son 2: (15 months). LOL. Different father. White, so his hair is baby fine blondish/red. I have dark brown hair. Don't I get ANY children that has hair like mine! WAAAHHH.

More on skin care: My first son had terribly dry and itchy skin and had to even see a dermatologist for awhile. Who then informed me of the horrors of laundry softener. Boy, who knew? For many years I used "free" detergents so that he didn't get all bumply and itchy again.
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