Help Adina get Pregnant ad - Page 8

[IdentityCrisisMama]

Originally Posted by DaryLLL

The wording, however, is an obvious sexual double entendre, or "innuendo", which is aganst mdc policy. That I do have a problem with.

Well, not that obvious...although I don't really *do* innuendo. From what I read about the origins of the idea “help get Adina pregnant” seems like the most basic choice for a title.

For the record, I’m all for examining values in regards to advertising. I don’t, however, feel like everything needs to be absolutely fair if that means prohibiting any of this sort of thing though. It just seems like we lose too much that way ~ if the alternative is that no one gets helped in this way.

[AdinaL]

Wow...overthinking a little bit....

There was no innunedo put into it. It was literally the first thought I had and made buttons for my blog and a coupl eother people's as well. Chiromama took that text - WHICH I CAME UP WITH - to the person who designed the banner ad.

I wasn't trying to be cute, or clever, or make any sexual reference at all. I was being straightforward - literal. By donating you are helping to get me pregnant. Bottom line. There was no intent to put sexual innunedo out there, or to sneak it past the admin..or anything. Y'all are giving me WAY too much credit. Sorry that such a simple statement got turned upside down.

Now here is the funny part...I have never seen the ad. I have the ad-free version - so I have never seen it.

[chiromama]

Yeah, cause you getting pregnant won't involve sex at all actually. Unless they've changed how an IVF works.

[annettemarie]

Originally Posted by AdinaL

Now here is the funny part...I have never seen the ad. I have the ad-free version - so I have never seen it.

:LOL

[AngelBee]

This WHOLE thread is full of over thinking!!! :

[Arwyn]

Originally Posted by thismama

AND, if I may continue on my soapbox for a moment, my understanding is that discussion of sexuality is acceptable if it is in relation to conception, pregnancy, or childbirth.

Wow, I hope so. Otherwise, buhbye fertility forum!

Eeep.

I'm really sad to see my explanation of the humor of the line being used to justify support for its removal. I like it. I think it's funny. I think any kid old enough to "get it" is old enough to see it - otherwise, we better not mention "doing the deed" anymore (although that's far more explicit than the wording of the ad).

But mostly, I wish if anyone wanted to discuss the right of an ad to be here, they'd talk about it within the rules set by MDC - that is, if the complaint is that an ad violates the rule regarding sexual innuendo, then that's what should be discussed (and preferably, with a moderator). If someone thinks an ad violates a rule, but they can't find that rule written down, then they should ask for clarification. If they think there should be a rule against x, which the ad would then violate, they should suggest that x be made a rule - using that ad only as impetus for the discussion, not as fodder for it, and also understanding that MDC has a contractual obligation to finish the run of the ad, which didn't violate any rules when the contract was made.

Which, of course, is not to say that one can't express one's opinion about ads - but if all one wants to do is talk about it, and not try to change it, shouldn't it be in TAO, rather than Q&S?

Anyway. That's what I wish for this community.

Oh, and for the ad to stay, not that it's up to me (I completely understand your wanting/having it pulled, Adina - but I'm still allowed to be sad, right?). But that probably belongs in TAO.

[Arwyn]

Originally Posted by AdinaL

Wow...overthinking a little bit....

Eeep! Guilty! Sorry Adina - but can I still think it's funny? :LOL

[splendid]

Originally Posted by AdinaL

Now here is the funny part...I have never seen the ad. I have the ad-free version - so I have never seen it.

Is this what they call irony?

I actually saw the banner for the first time today, it looks very nice, and discreet, they did a good job. I found the actual site when the original thread came into being (I liked the read and forwarded to others who I hope can contribute one day too).

Who knew this thread would get this long. Q & A is usually a ghost town.

[djs_girl517]

Adina - I am so sorry you have been hurt by this! I hate to see the ad pulled, but I understand your feelings. You are still going to leave the website up, right?

[our veggie baby]

As for people saying they wouldn't contribute because they don't know what kind of mother she will be? Well, she's been a mod for MDC for 3 years, she knows everything there is to know about AP/NFP and she's going to be a kick butt mother. I can't believe anyone would question that. As someone who is also struggling with infertility, we question why we haven't been granted children often and to have someone say something so rude and hurtful just twists the knife in our backs. I assume that if you can't support another MDC member who desperately wants to become a mama, because you're 'not sure of her philosophies' that you never ever ever shop anywhere, or buy anything that you're not sure of their philosphies? If you cant have faith here, then where can you?
I'm glad you're not the one determining my fertility, that's for sure.

You know , that comment really pisses me off to put it bluntly....are you seriously saying that I am wrong in not wanting to send a stranger money to bring another human being into this world when I have NO IDEA who this person is or how they would raise their child?????????

I am not saying she is "unfit"...there is every indication that she would be a great Mom and all that and like some other posters said, it is NOTHING PERSONAL against her in ANY WAY...it simply has to do with the fact that I can't support ANYTHING--- yeah, not even shops etc if I am unsure of their philosophies---I am not saying I know every single thing about every single item and its origin that I have ever bought, that would be foolish, but at the same time, on the opposite end of the scale, I am not comfortable giving money to strangers to bring human beings into the world when I don't know these people at all? Seriously, would you be putting me down if I worked at an adoption agency and just handed children over to people based on a few people's word of mouth??

The point of my whole post anyway, was to illustrate that I believed that she might not have been getting as many donations NOT because people were so offended at the at (which I wasn't at all) but more for reasons I mentioned...

I am glad I am not determining your fertility either...but it works both ways....don't get down on me for not determining her fertility either because you think she is a "nice person"...I am sure she is, I am NOT attacking her, I know people who are desperate for children and I don't fault her in any way for doing what she can/accepting help, etc in making that happen....
but it is ridiculous to come down on me for my opinion because YOU think I should just blindly throw money at someone I don't even know based on a few opinions that she is real nice....

[AdinaL]

whew...gently ladies.
please.


my page will stay up. you cannot link to it here tho!

[chiromama]

I was going to reply. but I think Adina is ready for this thread to die. I know she's been greatly hurt today, and I don't want to further the tears she has cried today.

[Johanna]

no one told you to "throw money at" anyone or anything. I know the only thing I had hoped, was maybe you would have used a little more tact and thought for others. This was not a thread about whether or not you think she'd be a fit mother, but a thread about whether or not the ad was appropriate for this board. Your comments were unnecessary.

[wasabi]

But she never discussed whether or not Adina would be a good mother. She said it was impossible for her to know whether or not Adina or anyone else here would be a good mother since she does not know them. Those are totally totally different statements. There was no discussion about the fitness of Adina as a parent at all. I think her point was actually the opposite of that because discussing whether or not she would be a fit parent would be pointless because at the end of the discussion she still doesn't know Adina how could she possibly judge her fitness? That's the whole point she doesn't judge her because she doesn't know her and giving money is judging her it's judging her as worthy of donation. And I'm not saying she isn't but that poster is just saying she doesn't know her so doesn't know. I think it's a gross twisting of her words to say she was judging anyone's fitness as a parent when in actuality she was expressing an inabilty to do that.

[our veggie baby]

*rolls eyes and sighs*

Didn't say anything about being a fit or unfit Mother...at all....ever....in any way, shape or form...

There are many people in this world that I think are perfectly good parents that I don't agree with their "philosophies"....let me simplify considering some people don't seem to grasp what I was saying or trying to say.

My best friend is not a fan of co-sleeping. Do I think she is a good Mother? Yes, in almost every way...would I buy her a crib? No way, because I don't support that...

Same with Adina, well, especially worse because she is a stranger...(not about co-sleeping but general knowlege of her, her life, her philosophies etc)
I am sorry if that offends you SO darn much....

Similarly, I couldn't care less really whether you think my comments are necessary or not...this is an OPINION board and I am entitled to mine. People seemed to be so bewildered as to why everyone wasn't donating because Adina is so deserving and so wonderful and nice and helpfull, which I have no doubt is true. I simply offered a reason why I wasn't donating and maybe why others may not.

[wasabi]

And just for the record I don't know any of the parties involved in this discussion. It seems that people are taking comments that were extremely general and imputing a lot of malicious intent to them.

[our veggie baby]

we posted at the same time wasabi, my post wasn't directed at you...I think you explained it very well...

[Johanna]

I just think why or why you wouldn't donate has no place in a thread about why an ad should be placed or not placed. Especially because you, yourself said that you thought it was okay the ad was there. I just think it was a touch insensitive to bring up parental fitness. Whether or not you feel she would or would not be fit has nothing to do with the whole thread. I just was stating it had no place here. If you want to start a thread that is talking about why you choose not to donate to something, then do it. Leave it out of here.

[AdinaL]

I think that this thread is over and done now. The only thing that is still being discussed is who said what when.

"Adina" is not an abstract concept - it is a person - so regardless of how well intentioned your defense/criticism of me is, it makes me very tired to be discussed like this.

Thank you for all your thoughtful discussion today.

This thread is now closed. If you have lingering issues regarding MDC's ad policy, please begin a new thread to discuss that issue. Do not begin a new thread to discuss my ad, as it will be taken down soon.

Thanks

[Johanna]

I'm just done with this. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse. I have dinner to finish...