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post #21 of 27
I don't think this is an issue with being 13 at all. I think this is very common due to group hierarchy and dynamics of having a large amount of kids the same age in school together. They are all fighting over who is more cool, smarter ect. And it seems to carry over into homelife.

The only kids I've seen that don't express this phenomenon are homeschooled ones. But maybe I'm just lucky?
post #22 of 27
I had homeschooled friends through church and they did it too.
post #23 of 27
Excellent post Victorian. I feel that my words are inadequate, but you've really made me think.

Thank you.
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by Victorian
I had homeschooled friends through church and they did it too.

My homeschooling wasn't religously motivated, and neither was the homeschooling of my friends. Not at ALL. I have no idea if this played into our luck with our kids or not.
post #25 of 27
Your post has given me pause Victorian, and I have a couple of thoughts about it. First, please accept my sincere condolences regarding your loss of your mother and the lack of closure that you have suffered. I can't even imagine how you must feel.

I mentioned having helped with some of my nieces and nephews. In those cases, the children were definitely being harmed by their mother (emotionally), and it was their choice to take refuge in my home, so to speak. I was aware that the cooperation that I received from them was due in part to the fact that I was NOT their mother. I just offer the possibility that this may have also been true for your aunt. Under no circumstances would I ever, EVER EVER EVER, send my child to live with someone else in the manner that you've described. I can imagine that this caused you to feel very bad about yourself and I am very sincere when I tell you that I know what it is to feel fundamentally flawed because if your own mother doesn't want you, who does?

The OP of this thread really gives me the impression of a very respectful and loving woman. The hostility that she feels is indeed something that her daughter can feel as well, but you feel what you feel. The OP has these emotional responses for good reason. Feelings can't be wrong, IMO. Only actions and behaviors can be wrong. Feelings, at least for me, are something over which I have far less control than behaviors or words. It seems strange to me that the eradication of the rude behaviors should not be a focus, but the very natural hostility and resentment of the mother should be considered to be the problem. At the same time, I can't stress enough that it is the BEHAVIOR that should be the focus, not the 'goodness' or 'badness' of the child.

I do very much agree that the goal should be to get the child through this time with their feelings of self-worth intact. Self-worth, to a very great degree, stems from being authentically appreciated for yourself. Ignoring or tolerating rude, obnoxious behavior does nothing to build the self-esteem of the child, IMO. Not to mention that many children feel out of control, and although they will NEVER admit it, they want the security of knowing that you are there to draw limits for them when they are unable to do so themselves.

I do very much agree that the transition from childhood to adulthood should be transitional, rather than, "You're sixteen, here are the keys to your new car", or "You're on your own now that you are eighteen." But I think much of that transition should be earned. A proper adult handles his or her responsibilities, owns the effects of his or her communications, cleans up his or her own messes and pays his or her own way. While I think that children should be spoken to in a respectful way devoid of belittling or ridicule, I do not think that the privileges of adulthood should be the result of hitting some arbitrary marker such as age alone, and I don't think that they can truly be valued unless they are earned.

I'm sure this post is scattered and a little jumbled. I apologize for that, and for not being able to focus more while writing this.
post #26 of 27
Johub,
I just read the other thread that you've posted regarding your daughter, and it has caused me to view your situation in a very different light.

Is your daughter from a previous relationship? If so, I wonder what dynamics might be playing into your feelings about her. Do you feel that she doesn't 'really' belong in the family? Please don't take what I am about to say as being harsh or negative, because I don't mean it that way, but I'm going to speak honestly.

At around your daughter's age, my stepfather began touching me inappropriately and in ways that were hard for me to define as wrong. I just knew that he was making me uncomfortable, and I even felt guilt for that discomfort. I'm in no way saying that this is remotely similar to your situation, I'm just sharing from my own life because your threads have triggered these thoughts and memories which may have nothing to do with your own.

When this happened to me, my mother began behaving very negatively towards me. She was very hostile and just bristled with dislike. I believe that she then viewed me as another woman in her house, and that was the role that I played for her in her mind, instead of the role of her daughter. At the time, this wasn't at all clear to me. I didn't feel anything like a 'woman', and I needed and loved my mother very much.

I ended up fleeing the house to avoid the escalating attentions of my stepfather, and it took many, many, MANY years for me to make peace with my mother.

My stepfather left my mother for another woman just a few years after I left home at the age of 16. Today, my peace made with my mother, I am here for her and love and support her, my stepfather is not. He abandoned her a long time ago.

Not that this is similar in any way to your situation, but my point is that the bond between mother and child is a powerful bond and should be sacrificed to no outside forces or situations.

Make peace with your daughter. She still needs you. She needs you now more than ever.
post #27 of 27
Thread Starter 
My daughter is from a "previous" relationship. And that is part of the reason it plays into my anxiety. While she has been like me in almost every way since birth, even looking nearly identical, she has inherited his temperament from day one. This is a concern for me as he is an alcoholic, drug user and wife beater. He has anger management and chemical dependency problems, and in truth this makes me afraid for my daughter.
The issues right now with the hostility etc are actually pretty easy to trace. About 2 months ago she was promoted from 7th grade to 8th grade. She is with kids a full year older and a new peer group. SHe went from wearing pink and green preppy to dying her hair black and dressing in black "goth" style. Everything she now 'wants' comes from these new friends and she is losing who she is and I am desparately trying to hold onto my daughter, and she is desparately trying to change into someone else.
It would be a lie to say we have never had problems before this. She is very high tempered and has always been a bit mouthy. Kinda lazy. And we have had honesty issues off and on through her entire childhood.
But this is entirely different. In the past two months we have experienced her first drinking, first smoking, first direct disobedience, first call home from school due to dress code violation, first attempts at self mutilation (marks on her arm she refuses to let me look closely at or discuss), she constantly asks to have lips and nose pierced, I have agreed to let her get her ear a little guaged. She has died her hair black and wears really dark crazy eyeliner.
All of the "smallies" are adding up really fast.
I do not truly think it is surprising that as her mother I am having a wee bit of difficulty dealing with all of this. Now instead of gushign about all her friends she gets really defensive if I ask her about them.
She is not a bad kid but would I be the first mom in the world to worry that her "good kid" might just slip out of her grasp in the middleschool years?
I do not truly want to "get rid" of her in the way I mentoned. As I said this is not an option so much as a fantasy. And not because I don't love her either. But because I feel so ill equipped to see her through this.
I mentioned in the other thread that I hope to get some counciling this summer to help us both deal with adolescence.
Anyhow I was just catchign up on this thread and I am so grateful for all of you ladies who have shared your thoughts and experiences here.
I started another thread asking for similar help but apparently that thread has gone largely off course .
Joline
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