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post #1 of 13
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I'm reading Alfie Kohn's new book "Unconditional Parenting." He's talking about unconditional self-esteem in the section I'm reading, and I thought somethings he says are helpful for parents, especially mothers, to think about with regard to themselves. He says:

"People who, as a rule, don't think their value hinges on their performance are more likely to see failure as just a temporary setback, a problem to be solved."

Two researchers he quotes, Deci and Ryan, say that people with unconditional self-esteem "would probably feel pleased or excited when they succeed and disappointed when they fail. But their feelings of worth as people would not fluctuate as a function of those accomplishments, so they would not feel aggrandized and superior when they succed or depressed and worthless when they fail." (emphasis mine)

Kohn describes the wild fluctuations of one's feelings of worth (superior with success and worthless with failure) as being part of "the consequences of basing one's sense of worth on living up to a set of expectations, either other people's or one's own." (emphasis mine)

So this made me think of all the times I have made a mistake (or a grand series of mistakes) and concluded that I'm therefore a bad mother, rather than that I've made a mistake and will do it differently next time. It made me think of all the times mothers come here saying they feel like such bad mothers because they have made mistakes or aren't living up to their own expectations of what kind of mother they should be.

I'm thinking maybe mothers need to work on accepting ourselves as we are, flaws and all, so that our mistakes are setbacks rather than tragedies.

Just something to think about. That kind of self-acceptance is what we all want for our kids, yet so many of us don't have it for ourselves.
post #2 of 13
Nice to read, thanks.
post #3 of 13
Pretty interesting. I guess I need to ask myself if my self-esteem is affected by my failures. I'm having a bad mommy day today, but I don't feel worthless. Just that I've failed my own expectations. I also try to remember that tomorrow is another day to try. And that parenting happens moment to moment. Still, some days it's hard....thanks for posting this.
post #4 of 13
Thanks, sledg, for posting that. I'm looking forward to reading that book - it's on my list.

I think it's so important for us to think about, and and reallly believe it if we want our kids to do the same. It's so easy to forget that they see the discrepencies bewteen our actions and words. I know, for myself, that probably one of the things I want most for my son is for him to have unconditional self esteem. I think we'd all like that fr our kids. But I know that I don't have that for myself and am therefore not modelling that, so it doesn't really matter how much I tell my son that his failures and successes do not make up his worth, if he sees me internalizing that they do.

Good stuff to think and talk about.
post #5 of 13
Thanks for posting that. Very valuable information. I'm trying to repeat this mantra to myself (I got it from the Positive Discipline series of books):

"mistakes are wonderful opportunities to learn."

Cheers,
post #6 of 13
Self esteem is highly over rated. Just because you think you are good at something, doesn't mean you are. Think about drunks singing karoke. What we all need is a pretty good sense of what we are good at, and what we are working towards.
post #7 of 13
This is good for me to remember. I tend to hang my self-worth on one event. Some days are very high, I feel great, then I will have a screw up and feel like I have failed at everything.
post #8 of 13
Yeah, Deci & Ryan have done some interesting stuff. Many pyschologists are more interested in the concepts of self-efficacy (how capable am I?) and a sense of control (internal vs external locus of control). Self-esteem isn't always based in "reality", but self-efficacy and a sense of control are better indicators of how people are handling things in their life.
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Originally Posted by MsMoMpls
Self esteem is highly over rated. Just because you think you are good at something, doesn't mean you are. Think about drunks singing karoke. What we all need is a pretty good sense of what we are good at, and what we are working towards.
You know, I agree. I think maybe "self-esteem" is a bad choice of words to describe what this author is getting at and the point I was trying to make. "Self-esteem" is one of those buzzwords that is really vague.

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Originally Posted by BetsyPage
Many pyschologists are more interested in the concepts of self-efficacy (how capable am I?) and a sense of control (internal vs external locus of control). Self-esteem isn't always based in "reality", but self-efficacy and a sense of control are better indicators of how people are handling things in their life.


So here is the point I was trying to make:

I think that with regard to mothering, it's very important to have a realistic sense of where we are, what we're doing that's effective and in line with our beliefs or goals, and what our goals are as parents. Sure, it's not okay to just say "I'm a great mother" without examining yourself and your actions (because saying it doesn't make it so), but likewise it's not healthy to just label yourself as a "bad mom" because you've made some mistakes.

There's a big difference between "Okay, I'm having a hard time figuring out how to handle this, and I'm yelling, which I don't want to do because it is hurtful. I need to figure out a better way, so that next time is better." and "I can't believe I'm such a horrible mom, maybe my kids will be better off without me. If I keep this up they'll hate me as adults." KWIM?

I guess I think it's important for moms to really take a good look at what it is that they're good at, not just at they're mistakes. Because when we can take a look at what we are good at, it gives us hope and it shows us that we have skills to build on. It gives us a place to start. When all we focus on is our failures, we feel overwhelmed. A mistake, even a series of mistakes, doesn't necessarily make one a bad mother. What makes a good mother, IMHO, is the willingness to really examine your intentions, assumptions, expectations, and actions, to really strive to know what your kids need, to be willing to make changes in order to meet their needs, to be open to alternatives and to changing your goals and perspectives, and to put in the effort it takes to teach your children in a humane manner. Good mothers do make mistakes along the way, so having made mistakes is not a good measure of whether or not you're a good mother.

I guess my whole point was that when we can stop declaring ourselves bad, as I see moms do so much, and look at both our strengths and our weaknesses then we have a healthy view of ourselves and something to build on as we strive to meet our goals as parents.
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by sledg
There's a big difference between "Okay, I'm having a hard time figuring out how to handle this, and I'm yelling, which I don't want to do because it is hurtful. I need to figure out a better way, so that next time is better." and "I can't believe I'm such a horrible mom, maybe my kids will be better off without me. If I keep this up they'll hate me as adults." KWIM?
This to me is more about playing victim, which I guess is linked to self-esteem. In the latter example, the "mom" is being a victim to her circumstance and herself- it's a very disempowering place to be in, but in many ways safe and comforting because in your mind, you can't do anything about it, you can complain about it and invite pity/compassion from others. In the former example, the mom is taking responsiblity and being active in analyzing what she's done. Like i said, I guess the root of it could be self-esteem, but its easier for me to identify when I or someone I know/am talking to is playing into victim status vs. whether or not they have real self-esteem issues. We all play victim sometimes... it's an easy place to go. And not super harmful, I think, unless you stay there. Sometimes that's my instant emotional reaction, and then I'm like, 'ok, but what can I *do* about it?'

just another pov
post #11 of 13
Self acceptance allows for mistakes and imperfections. It allows one to ask for help, to accept feedback and to learn from our mistakes. If you were raised with a great deal of shame, you feel like dirt when you make a mistake, you hide your imperfections and you have unrealistic expectations for yourself and for your children. Self acceptance requires taking an honest look at yourself, seeing the strengths and the weaknesses. It also requires you to face your past and then accept that the past is in the past. You need to do one day at a time. If you yell at your kids, it doesn't really matter what your whole life has been like any more than it is very helpful to look at the sum total of your child's whole life. Just look at today and try to learn from today so that tomorrow is better. All anyone can do and all that anyone needs to do is have better todays, right?
post #12 of 13
Ahhhh, sledg I just bookmarked this so I can remember the title of the book. Your words are exactly what I need right now in my life. I have more to say, as usual, but for now, I'll say thanks.
post #13 of 13
Oh, Maureen made me think of something. I read somewhere that the two components of self-esteem are feeling LOVABLE and feeling CAPABLE. I have to remember where I read this????
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