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post #201 of 624

enamel tubs

Thanks Provocativa for acknowledging my post. I have been away with no access to a computer. I have been vigilantly feeding him nutritious foods though he is very picky. He loves black strap molasses and whole yogurt. He is finicky with all fruits and vegetables but we are finding creative ways to get him to eat. Thanks for leading me to the healthy eating section on this site.

I went away with my baby while they worked on our apartment. My husband hired someone to test our apartment while we were away and he found a lot of lead in places including where the work was done. The bathtub read off the chart levels of lead but we haven't found any evidence of enamel posing a threat. Apparently HPD doesn't test tubs because they say that the tough surface can not be ingested and that the lead from the enamel does not leach out into the water. HPD is coming again on Saturday and we will have them test in the places where the other company found lead. The landlord does not have to fix anywhere other than where HPD orders him to.

We are here only for one night and are going to stay with my parents tomorrow. We will most likely end up moving. I am just worried that we will encounter this problem everywhere we go with a baby as active as ours. Anyway, he is having his third lead test tomorrow and I am praying that the numbers will go down.
post #202 of 624
Well I haven't heard from the lead inspectors yet but it hasn't been a month yet so I am just being impatient, it feels like it has been more then a month.
I have been telling my grandmother about all the horrible effects of high lead and she was advised by her boyfriend who happens to own a health food store, to take Hypatia to a holistic doctor to get a hair analysis and sooo she did, she paid for it b/c god knows I wouldn't be able to as much as I did want one, I have to wait until Monday for the reslults but I am hoping that maybe the Dr from there will have something that will help to get rid of the lead safely, and some new advice, although I have gotten a ton from here I am always open to hear more!
Will post the results and any advice I was given
post #203 of 624
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Originally Posted by heatherik
Apparently HPD doesn't test tubs because they say that the tough surface can not be ingested and that the lead from the enamel does not leach out into the water. HPD is coming again on Saturday and we will have them test in the places where the other company found lead. The landlord does not have to fix anywhere other than where HPD orders him to.
Every state is different regarding lead law, but in my state, they also say that tubs are not dangerous. Our tub read very high and the inspector said that is only matters if you have the tub refinished. I am glad, because I love my tub : )

I wouldn't worry too much about the areas that the HPD does not order fixed. The laws are very conservative in most states. What state do you live in?

Good luck : )
post #204 of 624

re: pumpkingirl71

We live in New york City. They have pretty tough laws on negligence regarding lead but it is hard to get anyone to do anything about it.
post #205 of 624
Thread Starter 
I am mostly posting to bump this back up on the list for any new lead concerned moms.
Has anyone had any recent testing done or other good news to share?

jryan, what did that holistic doctor tell you?
post #206 of 624
I'm hoping I don't have to join this tribe. I just learned that the reservoir that supplies my town with water has lead levels *7* times the allowed limit. The Water Authority claims that they treat the water and that the lead levels in the water that comes out of our taps is within allowed limits. I don't trust them, period. I'm calling my pediatricians and having my kids lead levels tested. I've stopped letting them drink the water - actually I stopped a month ago due to questions about cancer causing chemicals leaching into the reservoir (a fish was found with a certain kind of cancerous tumors), but my little one still drinks his bath water (which is gross on soooo many levels, but he's 3...) and we brush our teeth with this water and bathe in it.... *sigh*
post #207 of 624
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Originally Posted by AnoriensMom
I am mostly posting to bump this back up on the list for any new lead concerned moms.
Has anyone had any recent testing done or other good news to share?
Yes--checking in--dd had a blood work up about a month ago and was at 1.4 The lowest result yet (though she was never above what they call 'safe' levels--7.1 was the highest). I suppose that meand that my Nilfisk Vac and vigilant cleaning practices are really working, despite the fact that we have not de-leaded anything in the house. Also, dd's iron level was higher than it's been previously, so I imagine that plays quite a role as well.

Still being cautious...
post #208 of 624
I just found this thread as I am debating having my 12mo tested. I have the paperwork for a routine test from my ped. We live in California in a house built in the 50's. All of the baseboards and trim was replaced before we moved in. We don't have carpeting either that would hold anything. The windows have all been replaced also. My main concern would be lead coming from outside the house. WE spend a lot of time outside and the kids play in the dirt. I guess I will go ahead and have the test done. I really dread having to put him through that. I am sort of thinking as I type so excuse my rambling. We have a stucco house w/ some wood trim. I guess my best bet is to have my kids tested and if it is a problem start w/ the house and soil. Thanks for all of the wonderful info. I hope I won't need it . My heart goes out to everyone dealing with this.
post #209 of 624
Our house is about that period, and the inspection before we purchased turned up no interior lead, but then dd got it. fortunately our MD does routine lead testing at 12 mos. So I would recommend having the test done. It sucks, but it's less traumatic than some of the alternatives. (Like full-blown lead poisoning.)
post #210 of 624
Today I finally got the products from my dd's holistic doctor one is waiora made of zeolite, he said to give 1 drop 3x a day, I will give the link, and b/c of the extra wear on the liver he gave us a liver protect supplement called xymogen it has alpha-lipoic acid, silymarin, selenium and n-acetyl-l-cysteine in it, he said to give half of the capsule's contents a day.
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it was friday last week when we got the results it took forever, but the results make me feel even more paranoid then ever b/c it shows other heavy metals too and it doesn't look good....
she is high in aluminum, antimony, arsenic..., lead of course, nickel and her tin level is through the roof!
I am baffled and don't know what to do as far as sources, I am not going to use canned goods anymore.. no more tinfoil that touches food, she used to play with cans (carry them around) but I have put them all out of reach, I don't know what else I can do, she plays by our large window and I imagine the silver part of the window is either aluminum or tin but I am not going to block the entire window from her. I haven't got a clue about the arsenic or how to test for the sources of arsenic if it is in my house... antimony... I don't know about that one either, I feel even more helpless.
but hopefully these potions will work and the waiora says it is safe for long term use
http://www.waiora.com/products/item26000-NCD.php

http://www.xymogen.com/xy_products.asp?code=000032
post #211 of 624
Checking in. Things have been hectic here just with normal things. DS was retested in Jan and his level had gone from a 14 to 11. So it has gone down. His iron levels were fine when his lead was at 14 but in Jan his iron was low so we are on an iron supplement now. They are also concerned about his weight since he is said to be in the 3rd percentile. But I don't put much stock in that considering he is breastfed and also because we are all small ourselves.
He is supposed to have another lead test soon to make sure the lead level is still going down. No clue what caused it, or what changed to have it go down instead of up. We didn't have anything tested because it is only paid for by the state if the level is higher than his ever was and we cannot afford to do it ourselves. My only thought is that it came from when we moved into this house Oct 04 and did a lot of work to get it ready to move into that there was lead dust and it came through me while I was still pregnant with him and his level was much higher but it had gone down by the time they tested. I do not know. That is a scary thought though.
I hope all you other mama's dealing with this are doing alright. I will be keeping you all in my thoughts.
post #212 of 624
It's been a while since I checked in. We had our house fully inspected in October before we began work on it (we were living in an apartment and had just purchased this house). Thankfully, most walls and trim were negative! It's a 1929 bungalow, so that suprised me. We elected to replace every single interior and most exterior doors (including jambs and trim) anyway, as being negative for lead doesn't mean there isn't any lead there--it's just below "acceptable" limits.

Odd things tested positive: one wall and the door in the master bedroom, a teeny entrance on the side of the house, one basement floor. Did people just randomly paint small areas of their house with lead paint? So weird.

We've had the girls' lead levels tested three times since we moved in. The first two, blood draws, were below three (they never would give me an actual number, which is totally bothersome). The third was yesterday, and it was the finger poke. I know it's not as accurate, but it's free through the health department, so I thought it was worth it. If there's anything even close to an elevated level indicated, I'll be getting another blood draw.

90% of the houses in my county were built before 1978. And yet a majority of the family practitioners and pediatricians around here treat lead poisoning like its no big deal. Most moms I talk to either don't care are or completely misinformed.

A new friend of mine just had her baby tested--she was a 17. I'm so sad for her. But it gave me an outlet for all this frustration--I told her everything I know about lead!
post #213 of 624
In my research, lead is stored in bones, and other tissues. It's not just in the blood. So, a blood level could go up in theory, or not down very quickly, because the body is removing lead from a storage spot, so to speak.
Anoriensmom, didn't you mention febrile seizures upon waking a little while ago? DD had them too, and outgrew them around age two. Common in infants, but not toddlers. Scary. I'll blame the lead if you will!
post #214 of 624
Thread Starter 
no, I never mentioned seizures, but dd would wake up screaming, thrashing about and gnawing her teeth. And I would have to restrain her, but I just looked up febrile seizures and that sounds a bit different. she is gradually becoming a better sleeper. The worst of those symptoms were occuring between 12 and eighteen months, when her lead level was the highest. I will never know if that was the cause of it, but head and muscle aches from the toxicity would make sense. It's not like she could tell me what she was feeling.
welldone, the closet door in dd's room was covered in lead paint, so I think that yes, people did radomly paint with lead paint.
jryan, the zeolite drops look interesting. thanks for posting link.
post #215 of 624
So good to hear from you ladies. It is such a struggle, no? I am constantly cleaning and wiping hands. I feel like I'm going crazy.

My babe had a blood level of 5 three weeks ago at 10 months of age. After visiting my parents for 10 days, I hated coming home to this contamination zone. All I think about is ways to mitigate his exposure.

I'm wondering about my tea kettle- the solder. I'm wondering about his air particulate exposure (we live in a county that has high air-borne lead levels according to the EPA). I'm wondering about how much the cats bring in on their fur. I'm wondering how I can get the landlord to do the work on the chipping lead paint outside and replace the doors inside and out...

Keep up the fight, ladies! Power to ya.
post #216 of 624
Gardenmom,

what supplements/foods did you give to get iron levels up? My babe is 11 mos old and he still isn't eating... Any suggestions from my MDC sisters?

Glad to hear about your success. It makes me feel hopeful. I'll try to talk DH into a nilfisk. How many times per week do you wipe down the house?

TIA,
Deb
post #217 of 624
Djwratha how do you find out about the air particulate exposure - this has been my most feared paranoia, I would love to find out about it and either confirm it or let it go.
post #218 of 624
Djwratha how do you find out about the air particulate exposure - this has been my most feared paranoia, I would love to find out about it and either confirm it or let it go.

If anyone decides to get the 2 products that my daughter's doc got her, the liver protect supplement I have been giving my daughter is very SPICY, because she can't take the whole pill much less swallow one, I have to take the powder out, the first time I just mixed it w/ some plain yogurt and honey and she was very mad and she coughed and spat, I tasted just the smallest amount and it made me cough too. Then I mixed it w/ fruit preserves.
Today I mixed it with a lot of yogurt and fruit preserves and she enjoyed it and only coughed once, I didn't have to chase her once.
post #219 of 624
My midwife recommended dandelion as liver support. Just add dandelion root (nearly tasteless) to some chamomile tea, etc. Very easy, if your child likes tea. And a good idea in general for anyone who takes Tylenol or other stuff that is bad for the liver.
Anoriensmom, that sounds like a seizure to me- grand mal, nearly. Maybe there's a different medical term if they aren't shaking. I know our ped didn't care. Perhaps it's an undocumented effect of exposure? That's what I think, anyway.
post #220 of 624
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Originally Posted by jrayn
Djwratha how do you find out about the air particulate exposure - this has been my most feared paranoia, I would love to find out about it and either confirm it or let it go.
Hi Jrayn,
I called a California EPA number and spoke with someone about lead and she said that if you live near a roadway you get some exposure from leaded gasoline (I'm guessing this is from diesel; I should have asked for clarification). Does anyone else know? We live in a canyon with a tight small road and a construction and delivery trucks send their fumes right into our house which is above the road. Maybe it IS time for an air purifier? But it is a trade-off with the ozone-increasing effect. Why airborne lead a fear for you?

All,
I was so heartened to hear about Gardenmom's success with cleaning only. I am wanting the Nilfisk vacuum now...

Keep strong for our babies' sakes!
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