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post #221 of 624
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Originally Posted by Djwratha
Hi Jrayn,
I called a California EPA number and spoke with someone about lead and she said that if you live near a roadway you get some exposure from leaded gasoline (I'm guessing this is from diesel; I should have asked for clarification). Does anyone else know? We live in a canyon with a tight small road and a construction and delivery trucks send their fumes right into our house which is above the road. Maybe it IS time for an air purifier? But it is a trade-off with the ozone-increasing effect. Why airborne lead a fear for you?

Keep strong for our babies' sakes!
I read and was told that some airplanes are fueled with leaded gas and an airport is close to our house, so airplanes are flying over us constantly which means if they are actually fueled with leaded gas we pretty much are having lead emissions rain on us daily.
post #222 of 624
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Originally Posted by jrayn
I read and was told that some airplanes are fueled with leaded gas and an airport is close to our house, so airplanes are flying over us constantly which means if they are actually fueled with leaded gas we pretty much are having lead emissions rain on us daily.
We got to rise up! We can't take this anymore! The way we live is literally killing our kids. Let's see what we can do in the activist threads. Sometimes I feel like I can SEE the toxins all around us -we live in a soup of toxins.

The women I spoke with at the EPA said that a lead blood level below 10 is "normal for a child living in an urban setting". Sucks to be us, huh? So now it is "normal" to be toxic.

We as mothers are the only people who are going to change the world. I'm convinced of this. We have a lot to do to clean house... I'm pumped to ROCK the HOUSE down!

Jrayn, I just got a huge pamphlet in the mail from the EPA; I'll see what I can find. What I did read already said that emissions from traffic accumulates in dust. in our homes. in the topsoils. There is an article in The Nation magazine about the fight to get unneccessary lead out of gasoline in the '80s.
post #223 of 624

HELP with no-shoes policy

I want to implement a shoes-off policy in the house but we have NO ENTRYWAY and a very cramped doorway. And DH doesn't want to rearrange furniture. (DH is so resistant to the idea so it has to be something easy, too). ANY IDEAS? I'm thinking an attractive bin next to a chair near the door for our often-worn shoes and then do extra wet wipes in that area...???? He still isn't taking his shoes off right when he comes in or if he's doing little chores like emptying trash cans and doing recycling.... I need help with this. How can I make it stick?

TIA,
Deb
post #224 of 624
Oh yeah, Does anyone know how to check vessels for lead (i.e. kettles, pottery)? The EPA has a number listed for questions about this but I haven't called...
post #225 of 624
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Originally Posted by Djwratha
I want to implement a shoes-off policy in the house but we have NO ENTRYWAY and a very cramped doorway. And DH doesn't want to rearrange furniture. (DH is so resistant to the idea so it has to be something easy, too). ANY IDEAS? I'm thinking an attractive bin next to a chair near the door for our often-worn shoes and then do extra wet wipes in that area...???? He still isn't taking his shoes off right when he comes in or if he's doing little chores like emptying trash cans and doing recycling.... I need help with this. How can I make it stick?

TIA,
Deb
My dp forgets constantly and it makes me sooo angry, but he is getting better, we have a box although not attractive, just a cardboard box next to our door, I have no problem kicking my shoes off into it, I dont' wear tennisshoes so it isn't something I have to put effort into but my dp wears tennishoes tightly tied and he has to sit down and take them off so it is harder I guess he gets lazy, I tried to use a sign but it was ignored by many people and then it fell but a obvious sign would help for reminding, that is how I got into the habbit was this big green sign in my face.
Just keep at your dh, I give mine a guilt trip about how their could be lead in our soil or other ppls soil and all the problems she will have b/c he keeps wearing his shoes in the house.
post #226 of 624
Got our second test yesterday. It is so awful to stand there and watch someone stick a needle in your baby's arm. I was so ready to tell them to forget it and walk out! But of course we need to know the lead level. Dd cried through the blood draw, and really screamed after.

Sigh.
post #227 of 624
For the pain, we have been using the EMLA cream and it has been a miracle! We did not use it for our baby's first 2 blood draws and she screamed the entire time. It took hours to get her calm afterward Then we discovered the EMLA cream and got a prescription for our older child when he got his last blood draw. He said he didn't feel a thing. We used it last week when our baby had her lead check and she didn't even flinch! I can't tell you how happy I was not to see her in so much pain this time. It is expensive but insurance may cover it and I have heard that it might be available over the counter now.

Our update - after being out of our house for 5 months we had our 1.5yo tested for the first time since leaving. She came down from 13 to 4 !! We are so happy and especially feeling great about our choice to leave/sell our house. I know it isn't feasible for most but we had to leave immediately when we found out our baby's lead level more than doubled in a matter of a few months. We have sold and moved on - we could not be happier!

Keeping my fingers crossed for all of you strong mamas and your babies.
post #228 of 624
I always sat in the chair, and held my daughter in my lap. She was calm that way. That is the way the phlebotamist suggested it. Also, a more experience phlebotamist is really much better than a newbie. Demand the most experienced person- we switched labs after the good gal left. Someone who knows how to smile, gives a toy or sticker, and encourages you to massage or otherwise relax you baby is a must. A tense atmosphere, including the parents standing away from the child and being tense themselves, is sure to scare baby and increase perception of pain. And a little Rescue Remedy right before or after would be a cheaper solution, we never needed it. I guess I'm lucky dd doesn't have a great neuron densitiy where they stick her, or something like that.
post #229 of 624
The last time the tech couldn't get a good stick, and had to do it over. When he did get it, the blood came really slow and then dried up altogether before he had enough. That's probably part of why she cried so hard this time. It was the same guy, but when he had trouble palpating the vein he went and got a nurse. She was really good and fast. Right about the time the needle went in I thought, I should have given her some Rescue Remedy. But we were 20 mi from home and had some errands to do before we went there, so it just wasn't an option. Thanks for reminding me, I forgot I had that thought!
post #230 of 624
At this point, I am very picky about who sticks a needle in my child. Don't let that guy near your kid again. I'm actually looking for a new ped, one of the reasons is I don't like the university hospital lab. It's big and impersonal, and sometimes dirty.
post #231 of 624
We got test results today. Dd is down to 6 from over 7. I am so relieved! We didn't have to do a lot, just washed hands more, esp. before eating and after playing outside, and we kept the floors cleaner. Changes I can live with. It's not as low as I'd like it to be, but after reading some of the experiences some of you other mamas have had to go through, I feel we are very lucky now.
post #232 of 624
Yea Richella! It's moving in the right direction! How long did you wait before having your second test? I've gotta do it...
post #233 of 624
The first test was at 12 mos. We were supposed to have the second test at a standard wbv at 15 mos, but for some reason we got the timing wrong and didn't do it until past 16 mos.
There's a funny balance between being anxious to do it again, waiting until it's been long enough for change to happen, and not wanting to go in and go through the needle and everything. . . .
post #234 of 624
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Originally Posted by Maman*Musique
Our update - after being out of our house for 5 months we had our 1.5yo tested for the first time since leaving. She came down from 13 to 4 !!
Maman*Musique that is excellent news! You went through a lot to get that nice low number. Congratulations.




Our update is that I finally dragged my 3 kids down to county health, and after an excrutiating ordeal they finally got blood from my baby for a re-test (he had been an 8, and we have taken lots of measures and have been hoping that he's lower)... and weeks passed... I call, they say be patient... i wait...no results... and after another phone call today I am told they are very very sorry, but they never heard from the lab, have no record of what lab they sent it to, and in sum:

It's as if it never happened.

And they can't even give us a refund without a receipt.

And they suggest we go to Quest and start fresh. And they are very sorry.

AARGH! I am just crushed.
post #235 of 624
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Originally Posted by NoraJadesMama

Our update is that I finally dragged my 3 kids down to county health, and after an excrutiating ordeal they finally got blood from my baby for a re-test (he had been an 8, and we have taken lots of measures and have been hoping that he's lower)... and weeks passed... I call, they say be patient... i wait...no results... and after another phone call today I am told they are very very sorry, but they never heard from the lab, have no record of what lab they sent it to, and in sum:

It's as if it never happened.

And they can't even give us a refund without a receipt.

And they suggest we go to Quest and start fresh. And they are very sorry.

AARGH! I am just crushed.
Oh no. I am so sorry. We have had our own nightmares with our facility mixing up results, horrendous blood draws, etc. I am so very sorry. Keeping the hope that your babe is ok. Hang tight mama. You have done so much to make your environment safe I am sure his levels have come down. Keep us updated.

On a positive note, every time I read one of your posts I think about how "Adventures in Tandem Nursing" was such an inspiration to me when I was nursing my two. Thank you so much for that
post #236 of 624
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Originally Posted by Maman*Musique
Oh no. I am so sorry. We have had our own nightmares with our facility mixing up results, horrendous blood draws, etc. I am so very sorry. Keeping the hope that your babe is ok. Hang tight mama. You have done so much to make your environment safe I am sure his levels have come down. Keep us updated.

On a positive note, every time I read one of your posts I think about how "Adventures in Tandem Nursing" was such an inspiration to me when I was nursing my two. Thank you so much for that

Aw, thanks for the sympathy -- I knew the moms on this board would understand this particular horror. Thanks also for the kind words about my book--I'm so glad it helped you! That means a lot.
post #237 of 624
I just wanted to let everyone know, I had my daughter tested again for lead, (blood test) and it has went down from 13 to a 6 in 3 months!
I haven't did much different around the house, I did 1 lead cleaning but I really thing the reason it went down is because of the homeopathic dr's supplement. Waioria.
It is a mixed blessing b/c now she will not qualify for assistance in finding the source in the house, they never came it has been 2 months. I guess I will just have to save up for some test strips from Lowes.
post #238 of 624
we lived in a house with 100-500 times the legal limits for lead EVERYWHERE without knowing for 4 years.

I am convinced they are not testing my child properly. Yet, I can't find a doc who knows what they are doing who wants to take it on.

She was diagnosed with autism two and a half years after we moved in

Still not convinced it's not related. amputated dog, dead dog and a dog wit hbone cancer - autistic child and mom with chronic sudden onset migraines

Coincidence??? You tell me! (not!)
post #239 of 624
Ernestholmes, I am so sorry. You need a DAN doctor! Also, try to contact PEHSU of your region- I've lost my links to a crash, but it is the Pediatric environmental health specialty unit, with regional offices around the country. They are very busy, and should only be bothered with serious cases, not slightly elevated levels. The lady that runs communications in my region raises a special needs child. It takes persistence to get through, and I would recommend following up phone calls with a letter- emails get lost often. But the doctors are the TOP in their fields, and would probably consult with or educate your doctor, as would a DAN doctor if you made a trip to see one once.
post #240 of 624
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Originally Posted by ernestholmes
we lived in a house with 100-500 times the legal limits for lead EVERYWHERE without knowing for 4 years.

I am convinced they are not testing my child properly. Yet, I can't find a doc who knows what they are doing who wants to take it on.

She was diagnosed with autism two and a half years after we moved in

Still not convinced it's not related. amputated dog, dead dog and a dog wit hbone cancer - autistic child and mom with chronic sudden onset migraines

Coincidence??? You tell me! (not!)
I am so sorry to hear of these troubles. Whether they are related to the other problems or not, those lead levels have scary implications. I wish you the best in pursuing this matter. It's not easy getting good answers (or good lead abatement, or good lead tests, or....) Hugs.
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