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post #21 of 44
1/19/06 at 1:25pm
mrsfatty - thank you, and for the sake of accuracy:

The Hep A vax is Havrix, not Hivrax; and the CP is Varivax.

My list says Acambis 1000, not Acambix; but if you have the pkg insert I'll defer to you.

And don't forget the ProQuad (MMR + chickenpox), Zostavax (shingles), and the new vaxes for Ebola, HIV, and Flu that contain AFCL.


I've also posted a list & a link in the "Can we have a sticky?" thread.

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post #22 of 44
1/19/06 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by mrsfatty
Rubella only
MR-VAX--Merck & Co.--RA 273 and WI-38
The Rubella-only vax is Meruvax II. MR VAX is Measles-Rubella.
post #23 of 44
1/19/06 at 1:38pm
according to focus on the family (an organization that is fairly prolife and fairly pro-vax) it was one fetus. and while they all thecnically contain fetal tissue they are not constantly rounding up the bodies of babies to make more vaccine.
post #24 of 44
1/19/06 at 1:39pm
great thread - well as far as being informed. the information itself is sick IMO. But thank you - I just forwarded it on to some friends.
post #25 of 44
1/19/06 at 1:48pm
Focus on the Family is wrong. It is not just one single fetus. Twenty four were tried and eliminated before they found the ones they could use. Women were told to abort their babies IN CASE of rubella. It wasn't necessary since the Japenese proved you could get a perfect sample of the rubella virus from swabbing the throat of an infected person.
post #26 of 44
1/19/06 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by lilyka
according to focus on the family (an organization that is fairly prolife and fairly pro-vax) it was one fetus. and while they all thecnically contain fetal tissue they are not constantly rounding up the bodies of babies to make more vaccine.
Perhaps not, but that mother was supposedly coerced into the abortion so that the fetal cell lines could be specifically used to produce the MMR vax.

It's all bad, IMO.
post #27 of 44
1/19/06 at 1:56pm
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During the Rubella Epidemic of 1964, some doctors advised exposed pregnant women to abort their children. The resulting virus strain developed was known in the science world as RA/27/3. Where R=Rubella A=Abortus 27=27th fetus tested 3=3rd Tissue explant. There were 26 abortions prior to finding the "right" species with the active virus. (This was absolutely unnecessary as the Japanese proved by swabbing the throat of an infected child in order to obtain the virus.) The vaccine was then cultivated on the lung tissue of yet another aborted infant WI-38. WI-38 (Wistar Institute 38) was taken from the lung tissue of an aborted female infant at 3 months gestation in the 1960's. a second human cell line, MRC-5 was derived from a male at 14 weeks gestation in the 1970's. They were used to cultivate the weakened virus strains of several diseases to produce immunizations. These two human cell lines cultivated in the lab continue to provide an ongoing source for many widely used childhood vaccines.
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More disturbing is the pharmaceutical industry's latest trend to begin using a new fetal cell line named PER C6, created by Dutch pharmaceutical, Crucell, NV. This cell line was taken from the retinal tissue of an 18 week gestation baby, aborted because, according to Dr. Van Der Eb at recent FDA hearings, "the father was unknown and the woman wanted to get rid of the fetus". Dr. Van Der Eb went on to say, "PER C6 was made just for the pharmaceutical manufacturing of adenovirus vectors." He added, "I realize that this sounds a bit commercial, but PER C6 were made for that particular purpose."
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There are six commonly used vaccines: Polio, Rabies, Mumps, Rubella (MMR), Chickenpox and Hepatitis-A all of which were propagated from the lung tissue of two aborted babies, one male, one female. Of these, three have NO ALTERNATIVE SOURCE: Rubella (MMR-Measles, Mumps, Rubella), Chickenpox and Hepatitis-A. It is not that the pharmaceutical companies had to use aborted children as their source; they simply opted to do so. The United Kingdom was successful in obtaining alternatives for both Rubella and Hepatitis-A, but these products are not available in the United States



From
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/fetal_tissue.htm
post #28 of 44
1/19/06 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by skellbelle
It's all bad, IMO.
Oh totally.
post #29 of 44
1/19/06 at 4:04pm
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There are six commonly used vaccines: Polio, Rabies, Mumps, Rubella (MMR), Chickenpox and Hepatitis-A all of which were propagated from the lung tissue of two aborted babies, one male, one female.
So my next question is, Where did the fetal cell lines for the Hep A & B vax, the shingles vax, the Ebola vax, the two new flu vaxes, the HIV vax, and the smallpox vax come from?

Maybe I don't really want to know.
post #30 of 44
1/19/06 at 4:24pm
A little off topic, but if you didn't know about that then you also might not have heard about what they use the foreskin from circumcised boys for (although you have a huge post count so you've probably already seen this article):

http://www.mothering.com/articles/ne...cumcision.html

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Parents should be wary of anyone who tries to retract their child's foreskin, and especially wary of anyone who wants to cut it off. Human foreskins are in great demand for any number of commercial enterprises, and the marketing of purloined baby foreskins is a multimillion-dollar-a-year industry. Pharmaceutical and cosmetic companies use human foreskins as research material. Corporations such as Advanced Tissue Sciences, Organogenesis, and BioSurface Technology use human foreskins as the raw materials for a type of breathable bandage.10
I was shocked when I heard about this, and shocked again when I heard about the vacc's. : :Puke
post #31 of 44
1/19/06 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by skellbelle
So my next question is, Where did the fetal cell lines for the Hep A & B vax, the shingles vax, the Ebola vax, the two new flu vaxes, the HIV vax, and the smallpox vax come from?

Maybe I don't really want to know.
Google it...I'm sure you'll find LOTS of fun info!
post #32 of 44
1/19/06 at 4:27pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by skellbelle
mrsfatty - thank you, and for the sake of accuracy:

The Hep A vax is Havrix, not Hivrax; and the CP is Varivax.

My list says Acambis 1000, not Acambix; but if you have the pkg insert I'll defer to you.

And don't forget the ProQuad (MMR + chickenpox), Zostavax (shingles), and the new vaxes for Ebola, HIV, and Flu that contain AFCL.


I've also posted a list & a link in the "Can we have a sticky?" thread.
Sorry for the typo--I was going quickly cause my son is being fussy today!
post #33 of 44
1/19/06 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by skellbelle
The Rubella-only vax is Meruvax II. MR VAX is Measles-Rubella.
Thanks--I was going quickly cause my son is CRABBY today!
post #34 of 44
1/19/06 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by applejuice
Seems to me if you are "pro-life,anti-abortion,anti-choice", this is a clear way to claim a religious/philosophical/personal belief exemption.

Do not know why I had so many problems in Catholic School with my peers in the 1960's.
From what I understand the fetus was obtained through a legal medical abortion. Even before Roe V Wade there were reasons for medical abortions.
post #35 of 44
1/19/06 at 4:38pm
S'OK ... just wanted the most accurate info up in this forum.
post #36 of 44
1/19/06 at 4:46pm
:Puke Thank you for posting this info mamas.
post #37 of 44
1/19/06 at 9:02pm
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Originally Posted by OnTheFence
From what I understand the fetus was obtained through a legal medical abortion. Even before Roe V Wade there were reasons for medical abortions.
During the Rubella Epidemic of 1964, some doctors advised exposed pregnant women to abort their children. They recorded 26 before they found one that had the virus. That was the 27th...and that's how it got it's name... No telling how many they went thru that isn't recorded.... and frightening women into giving birth to a child with rubella is not , imo ,a valid medical reason. That's scare tactics used to their own purposes so they could make a vaccine.
post #38 of 44
1/19/06 at 10:26pm
SOF:

How or why a fetus was obtained is irrelevant.

The fact that it was obtained, and is used to make vaccines, is the only relevant issue here.

We were asked to post factual links only. I don't see you usefully contributing to the thread, and hope that useless posts like this one (mine), will be removed before the information is archived.

Any other discussion is academic to the purpose of the thread. IMO.
post #39 of 44
1/20/06 at 10:15am
This should be archived...IMO
post #40 of 44
1/20/06 at 1:07pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara
SOF:

How or why a fetus was obtained is irrelevant.

The fact that it was obtained, and is used to make vaccines, is the only relevant issue here.

We were asked to post factual links only. I don't see you usefully contributing to the thread, and hope that useless posts like this one (mine), will be removed before the information is archived.

Any other discussion is academic to the purpose of the thread. IMO.
I believe how the fetus is obtained is relevant. If the mother had an abortion for medical purposes and not for birthcontrol, I think it matters. I do not think that is useless information.

Last I checked you weren't a mod, and so far I don't see any factual name or credentials listed by you anywhere when you often post about your personal experience, or inside personal information anywhere.

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