Originally Posted by sugarbeth
Birth comes easy to you. I get it. For you to assume that it comes easy for everybody and that I'm somehow to blame for the pain that I felt is so very condescending.
And I would contend that human childbirth IS an inherently flawed process. If it was perfect, mommas and babies would never die or be harmed during it. And it sure wouldn't hurt like a son-of-a-b****.
Huh?? you dont know a thing about my birth history! I have been through alot aside from c-section.. now THATS condescending to say "birth comes easy" to me..
: I have spent years on my journey.. making mistakes, bad choices..being victimized by the medical establishment.. and yes my hospital births hurt.. the ones that were not drugged.. I have had ones where the drugs never worked.. where the drugs went into my blood stream and almost killed me and my baby.. I have had good ones that did work.. I have had unmedicated hospital birth..I have had forceps birth I had had lithotomy birth I have had squatting birth I have had 7 posterior births and one anterior, I have had induction birth I have had spontanious birth... geez anything else you want to know??? crap the list could go on.. ( I wont call it natural because there is nothing natural about a hospital to me anymore) and I have had an beautiful.. basically painfree home freebirth resulting in a 9 pound 8 ounce darling girl. Why was it NOT painful?? because I had no one shoving their hands up me every hour.. no performance anxiety.. no person between my legs who does NOT belong there.. I was safe.. in control.. on my own terms.. and I did not even beleive I was IN labour until my daughters head was literally falling out of me... yes its true.. and I am NOT the only one who will tell you this..There were no machines to go ping.. no ridiculous curves to adhere too, no midwife with her own biases and fears to bring that into my space to make my sacred birth space toxic... please do not compare attended birth to unattended birth, the semantics around it fine.. but there is a WHOLE world of difference in terms of pain and its not just been my experience.
Please do not insinuate I am off the ball with my remarks, I never slammed your opinion I just stated mine and you did not agree with it..I have had more babies than most people I know, and while that does not make me an expert it does however give me a very distinct advantage in terms of real life comparison.. life is about continuous learning learning (well hey it is for me) and if people are too close minded to see that possibly..just *maybe* there is more to birth than whats on the surface and what they are seeing and living .. well then thats sad
5 years ago I was NOT where I am now.. I too thought birth was just this painful ordeal to get through I am eternally greatful to the womyn who opened my mind and allowed me to see that it did not have to be that way.. gosh there is so much that ties into this and I can see now that this forum is not the place for it.. so I will bow out now and stay in forums pertinant to my I guess *whacked out beliefs* about birth