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post #61 of 81
My DH thinks that you should shock your husband with the stun gun so he knows what it feels like and perhaps remembers it next time he considers using it on the dogs.
post #62 of 81
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I don't think that anyone has mentioned that dogs fighting is a natural behavior. They are territorial (hence the peeing a little bit to mark it) and when a second dog, especially a younger dog, enters the older dogs territory, and the older dog is unable to maintain his territory (because you've brought the younger one to live in his area) then he's going to be aggressive to try to maintain dominance.

I agree......but after 2 YEARS? That seems a bit long to still be fighting for dominance. BUt then again, Ive got 2 females. THey did fight for the first week or so....but never after that.
post #63 of 81
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jokerama
My DH thinks that you should shock your husband with the stun gun so he knows what it feels like and perhaps remembers it next time he considers using it on the dogs.
I had a similar thought myself...
post #64 of 81
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Originally Posted by rainsmom
I agree......but after 2 YEARS? That seems a bit long to still be fighting for dominance. BUt then again, Ive got 2 females. THey did fight for the first week or so....but never after that.
It does seem like a long time but then they've never been allowed to just fight it out and see who wins. In the wild animals fight until one conceeds (or dies...) and then the order between them is peaceful.
post #65 of 81
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Originally Posted by kellyb

I don't really expect ya'll to get it necessarily, but when you have 2 huge dogs trying to kill each other with a toddler around, a stun gun seems less abusive than it does under normal circumstances.
I have two big dogs that tried to kill each other with a mobile baby around.
My bigger dog sent my smaller dog to the emergency vet twice in two weeks.

And I think a stun gun is outrageous.

I seriously considered re-homing my male (the bigger). Instead we worked with a private trainer and kept the dogs separate at all times. ALL times. A dog can't hurt another dog if he can't reach it.

It has been a lot of work and tremendously stressful. Really ugly. So I know what it can be like. The up side is that a year later we have a good system going and the dogs can be together when *closely* supervised. I take my role as household protector seriously.

Your dh is out of control and you need to get rid of the dogs. Better euthanasia than a life of abuse.

I still want to throw up over the fact that he used a stun gun on a dog over poop. POOP.

I'm not trying to flame you over this - but my genuine reaction is that it is totally out of control for him to lash out violently like that.

Please, please find a place for the dogs. Your husband is not capable of being a responsible owner.
post #66 of 81
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Originally Posted by PikkuMyy
It does seem like a long time but then they've never been allowed to just fight it out and see who wins. In the wild animals fight until one conceeds (or dies...) and then the order between them is peaceful.
I know in our case one of our dogs is a bit mental - he has anxiety issues that were being taken out on his "sister."

Part of what led to our problem is that we followed the normally good advice not to interfere and let the dogs sort it out. Things got worse over time until POW! Big ugly mess.

The natural order of our house would have been that my female died. Not an option I liked.
post #67 of 81
Dechen......did you post your story a while back...? I vaguely remember reading a similar story..... Glad to hear it worked out and you got to keep both dogs. I do think when an owner is DILIGENT, it CAN work out. But with a baby, Im sure its hard to do that. Most people have a hard time doing simple training with puppies/dogs when theres small dc's to contend with. But there are rewards to that too.....
post #68 of 81
Thread Starter 
The issue now is that I fear they might hurt the baby. I've seen them be violent to one another, and can't shake the thought that they would percieve a curious toddler as a threat.
I keep hoping one of the people who say they're thinking of taking a dog will just do it.
They only get to spend about 4 hours a day with dh and I. During the day they're alternating between the bedroom and outside...and at night they roam the house.
Ugh. I know it sucks for them.
post #69 of 81
I have mentioned my dogs before, here and there.

Kelly, while I don't believe my dogs would harm my child (or they'd be out), I don't take it for granted that they wouldn't. My toddler is very physical and hope to never test the dogs by subjecting them to toddler abuse.

I allow the dogs loose around my toddler, one at a time, when I can be there to make sure nothing happens. If I go to the bathroom, the dog and child are separated. Even my female who loves my daughter to pieces.

Keeping both dogs has been a lot of work, because dogs need to be around the pack. I am constantly letting the dogs in and out of various areas. We have an x-pen upstairs and a kidco playden downstairs for the male. We also have a big yard and various baby gated zones, allowing me to keep baby and both dogs in the same basic area but safe. At night both dogs are crated.

Putting in the extra training time was draining. We did it because we were devoted.

Because the male has issues, I am 85% that finding him a new home would be a death sentence in some way or another. We were still willing to have that happen if the safety of the rest of the family depended upon it.

I am sorry that you are living with dogs you fear. It took me a while to come to terms with the violence I had seen in my dogs. I was alone with the baby when it happened the first time and ... ugh it is hard to describe how scary it was.

For the sake of everyone - commit yourself to getting those dogs out of your home.
post #70 of 81
As a person in rescue if you came to me about your situation I'd first ask are both dogs neutered? Second I'd ask what triggers the fights? Is it food, toys, etc.. I'd ask you about domminance? Specifically I'd ask about when they go out to the bathroom and one pees does the other try to pee over the recently pee'd area if so which one? I'd ask you about how the dogs intereact with you and your family on an individual basis? I'd ask if the dogs know if your in charge. All these questions would help me help you. I would think at worst only one dog would need to be-remhomed.(I'm ignoring the fact that your husband is an animal abuser, I'm responding only the the fighting issue right now). Why only one because if you rehome one their will be no more fights and they are your dogs and they are your responsibility. Rehoming one due to fighting is not uncommon giving up on both is just not cool.

Also have you ever heard of a squaker?? It's like a loud horn that will scare the living daylights out of anything, however there is no physical harm done. It's a great tool to use to break up fights. We use them at Greyhound Playgroups if fights break out and I use one in the house as I always have foster. Anytime we go to the park I carry one just in case. Tottally worth the $10 bucks it cost.
post #71 of 81
What we have always used to break up fights is plain ole pepper. You know how it makes you sneeze? well it does the same thing to a dog when sprinkled on their nose (or dumped if their in a full on fight). When they sneeze they can't be biting, so grab the collar and seperate them.

As everyone has said, the stun gun is unneccesary and abusive.

As for the comments about abusing the dogs and abusing everyone else. My dad was similar to another's in this thread. He has always 'disciplined' the dogs, for getting out of the yard, for fighting, for snapping at a person, etc. He has NEVER (over 40 years) laid one finger on me, my mother, or my son. And trust me, there were times I should have had my butt busted! (I know doesn't agree with AP models.)

But do be vigilant and careful....

And call a dog rescue program for those poor guys...
post #72 of 81
Yay for us. We've driven away yet another mama from this community. Personal attacks, name calling, threats, and accusations will *never* get anyone's point across. Posts like this do absolutely no good in helping this woman or the dogs:

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Originally Posted by edamommy
**OMG! IS there something mentally wrong with you? No, reallY?!?! What does that above quote of yours mean? To me, it means youre a fool and he is a violent animal abuser.
If i knew your name and address I would report you myself.



*ETA: She has closed her account and is no longer a member.
post #73 of 81
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Originally Posted by kellyb
The issue now is that I fear they might hurt the baby. I've seen them be violent to one another, and can't shake the thought that they would percieve a curious toddler as a threat.
I keep hoping one of the people who say they're thinking of taking a dog will just do it.
If you are fearful they will hurt your dc you need to get them out of there! I don't think I would wait until someone would take the dogs.
post #74 of 81
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Originally Posted by MamaAllNatural
Yay for us. We've driven away yet another mama from this community. Personal attacks, name calling, threats, and accusations will *never* get anyone's point across. Posts like this do absolutely no good in helping this woman or the dogs:






*ETA: She has closed her account and is no longer a member.

**I don't care! A woman who truly wanted help would take the advice given (even if she left)... so no worries! I, Myself, don't want to associate with someone who is standing by an animal abuser.
post #75 of 81
what did you honestly expect though with a post of this nature? :
obviously people are going to have strong feelings about abuse.
post #76 of 81
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Originally Posted by rainbowmoon
what did you honestly expect though with a post of this nature? :
obviously people are going to have strong feelings about abuse.

Passionate responses, yes. Name calling, no.

Running ppl away is the best way to help them. I bet right now she is soaking in all of the words of encouragement and learning something.
post #77 of 81
I was talking mostly about the post I quoted. What if she is being abused? Do you think that is going to help her? I have a strong feeling with "GD" we could get through to her and help her to help the dogs.

Edamommy, if you want to help animals *at all* you REALLY need to rethink your communication skills. You will never ever ever save a dog that way. You will just turn people off and they will never respect what you say or take you seriously. If you notice that your message never gets through to people you might want to examine why.
post #78 of 81
I just really hope she gets rid of those dogs & the stun gun soon
post #79 of 81
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Originally Posted by MamaAllNatural
Yay for us. We've driven away yet another mama from this community. Personal attacks, name calling, threats, and accusations will *never* get anyone's point across. Posts like this do absolutely no good in helping this woman or the dogs:




*ETA: She has closed her account and is no longer a member.
Posts like the one you quoted are against the user agreement, I believe. You can report such posts to a moderator by clicking the exclamation point icon in the lower left corner of the post in question. That was what I did when I saw the post you cited.
post #80 of 81
How sad.

I agree with MAN. I can't believe that Kellyb left.
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