Originally Posted by musingmama
Men need to be responsible for themselves, and if they would understand history and learn to listen to women and heal themselves, they would be partners in the struggles for humanity, for feminist struggles. They need to meet us half way, we shouldn't feel like we need to go the extra distance...
So we should say to hell with them? To hell with my son, your son, everybody son? Until men speak up?
When they do speak up they are called misogamist. That is a wrong assumption. When a person speaks up about DV against men they are not saying they hate women and want to take money away from this issue. They just want the same safety against violence as women have and/or are gaining. Take time to stop and listen to people that have something that doesn’t agree with you, don‘t say they are in denial. You might find they have a point. If you read studies that are not solely reliant of who calls the police you will see that women hit, kick, scratch, et men as much also (I am willing to read and listen to arguments against these studies, especially if they are poorly done but I do not see women/feminist discrediting the this way. They just go it ignores women’s issue. Men just do not call the police. We do not rely solely on children’s calls to the police about the abuse they receive at the hand of adults. We do not rely solely on women’s calls to the police about rape or DV. But when a male group or social scientist comes out with a study they are discredited with out even looking at how the study and conclusion is came to.
I am not in denial about the atrocities caused by man. I am also not in denial about how women have benefited by this Patriarchal system. I don’t seem men as evil. They have created things trying to make women’s lives easier. They have gone off to wars to protect the lands that feeds women and children.
I am not in denial that women did not get out and vote against Shrub head. Men vote at higher rates, how is this man‘s fault we do have a right to vote. We (women) fought hard for a right to vote and so we could have responsibility in our government but WOMEN AREN’T taking this responsibility. Women need to take responsibility, they did not vote which is why these men are in power. Women are responsible when they vote for these men. Women need to stop saying men are voting for these guys so it is not our fault. Women need to take responsibility for the idiots they are allowing into office by not taking responsibility and voting. I do not have the statistics for this last election. I do have these statistics for Gore/Bush. (forgive me on this one but if the shrub wouldn’t have won the first election there would not have been a second).Exactly half (50%) of women with children voted for Bush.
Well over half (56%) of women who make over $70,000 a year voted for Bush, as did women of the Protestant faith (53%).
Women under 34 were slightly more likely to vote Bush than Gore (49%-46%).
Women with children are more likely to vote Republican in a Congressional race than Democrat (48%-44%) as are women with household incomes over $70,000 (56%-39%), and women aged 34 and under (47%-43%).
Women are voting this way because they have something to gain or maintain by the system they are voting for. These men are getting into office not just by male votes, but by women’s votes, and women’s lack of voting.
So when we are complaining about the men in power we have to accept how they are getting there is not just because of men.
Also, women need to take responsibility for themselves. Quit expecting men to do the protecting and providing. Face up to the fact that 60% of all convicted child abuser are women. That an infant is more likely to die at their mother's hands (during the first year of life). Call me heartless, I don’t give a rats ass about what a man has done to that womenor what a society has set up she has no right to kill her child. This does not mean I don’t think there are many issues we need to address like depression and PPD but at the same time I acknowledge that men get depressed after birth.
Then they are told they are wrong for feeling that way, for not being strong enough or sensitive enough to their wife. Maybe me men would/could be more sensitive if they are not trapped by depression. We all are better gained if we address this issues and give men a way to deal with them, not be critical of them or say it is not a womens issue because it not a womens body. It does effect her.
Women are not the only people that struggle? Our boys won’t struggle to get out of the system that has been created before then, but not by them? So our boys we are not going to help our boys emotionally deal so they can fight the system that is before them? As women we should not set the example that only women’s issues are worth fighting. We need to teach our children that every person has rights that need to be respected and fought for. If we show irreverence to men’s issues we are making it acceptable to make a person irrelevant. I really don’t want my children to think it is ok to any one is irrelevant for any reason gender, religion, race, or gender orientation. I personally want my kids to be taught to stand up for anyone, even if this person is someone they don't like.