Do you eat organic/natural foods and vaccinate your children? - Page 3

[peacefulmom]

yuo probably 70% organic..and fully vaxed kiddos...but with 8 month old we dalay some....interesting question mamma

[Dolphin]

We feed ds 90% organic, we eat probably 50% organic (because of the expense mostly - we save it for ds), very little sugar and refined foods, and NO vax.

[tayndrewsmama]

I just wanted to add this link here as well in my edited post for those that might be subscribed to this thread: http://poisonevercure.150m.com/ingredients.htm This is a list of vaccine ingredients.

[Aura_Kitten]

(a little rambling.)

yes they have a lot of nasty ingredients, but in such tiny amounts that there is very little risk associated with them... whereas not vaccinating carries the giant risk that your child might contract a nasty incurable disease. and the levels of poisons in food from conventional farming are far higher ~ and completely unnecessary! vaccine manufacturers have not yet found a way to manufacture vaccines without those chemicals ~ but farmers have known for centuries how to farm without pesticides / fertilizers / hormones...

i'm not trying to put down anyone's choices... but as a budding microbiologist it really bakes my noodle to see us heading toward a day when preventable pandemics ravage the human population ~ and now i'm not just referring to vaccination but the overuse of anti-microbials and over-prescribed broad-spectrum antibiotics ~ gah!

you're right tayndrewsmama that these two issues are connected, definitely. people need to have a more unified worldview! look how long it took scientists to understand the Hanta Virus, because they couldn't "think outside the box," whereas the native americans had figured it out centuries before just by listening to the earth and being able to see connections in all things.......

//nak (phew!)

[tayndrewsmama]

Originally Posted by klothos

yes they have a lot of nasty ingredients, but in such tiny amounts that there is very little risk associated with them... whereas not vaccinating carries the giant risk that your child might contract a nasty incurable disease.

Everyone has their opinion and I am not gonna argue it with you. We'll just have to agree to disagee on this one. You are talking to someone who's daughter had a bad vaccine reaction and I have an auto-immune disease related to the Hep B vax, as well as a number of other classmates of mine who got the same vax from the same doc's office. Going nowhere with me on this one.

[tayndrewsmama]

I know I said I wouldn't do this, but I just can't help it. Seriously now, how many of these diseases that have vaccines for them are truly incurable. I am talking about the disease itself, not under the right circumstances with a number of other problems. Don't think that I think that any of these things are things I want my children to get, but I know the life long and life altering damage that vaccines can cause. Ya don't get the chicken pox or the measels for the rest of your life.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by klothos

..but in such tiny amounts that there is very little risk associated with them...

That is interesting. What is the safe amount of aluminium, Phenol, antibiotics, or formaldehyde in a newborn's tiny body?

I have just read that mercury exposure - even in amounts as tiny as one micromolar, or one-thousandth of a microgram- leads to direct degeneration of the brain neurons.

I'm not saying that those kids can't recover, but... do they make a full recovery? How do we know?

whereas not vaccinating carries the giant risk that your child might contract a nasty incurable disease.

Then how come in countries where they don't push vaccines and the people are well off, such as Europeans, kids are not dying in droves?

How come they have a much lower infant mortality rate than the US?
How come they don't have childhood epidemics?
How come their kids are way ahead of our kids in schools?

vaccine manufacturers have not yet found a way to manufacture vaccines without those chemicals

Is anyone looking?

... but as a budding microbiologist it really bakes my noodle to see us heading toward a day when preventable pandemics ravage the human population ~

We are in the midst of an autism epidemic and no one seems it notice except the parents of the vaccine damaged kids.

www.safeminds.org

[tayndrewsmama]

Perhaps this thread will help too: http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...d.php?t=275511

[einalems]

We try to eat healthfully, with as much organic as possible. My 1st DD is almost fully vaxed -- going against what I felt. No vaxs for 16 mo DS -- not now, not ever.

Very interesting post.

[mamatowill]

I feed my ds organically/naturally and also vax. I am considering whether to delay with the next round.

I have always found this topic interesting. With vaccines in the west most of us have had them so there is a kind of herd immunity for the ones that are not vaxed. What happens when the balance of people are not vaxed? Will there be an increase in preventable diseases. I am vaxing partly due to the fact that many of my family members have had to live with the consequences of polio. Also when I was doing my research one of the statistics which I found pointed out that 10% of people who contracted tetanus would still die- even with all of the current medical treatment and early diagnoses. The question I ask myself is which is the smaller risk to me- the vaccine or the disease. If my child had been damaged or myself by vaccines that would definitely change that balance. Both sides carry risks. Plus i know one person mentioned chicken pox. Chicken pox stays in your body forever and can keep flaring up as shingles throughout your life. My mother gets it frequently. Also my doctor mentioned that the cases of chicken pox that go to the hospital can have the added complication of flesh eating disease. I discuss the vaxes with my doctor before giving them.

I am not taking anyone's position lightly. I know I will not change anyone's mind and other statisitcs can be brought forward. I just wanted to put insight into a small part of what information I use when making my decision to vax.

[tayndrewsmama]

Originally Posted by einalems

Very interesting post.

Thanks! I had been dying to know for awile now. I must say, though, that I am pretty surprised by the results though.



Oh yeah, I STILL can't figure out how in the world to add a poll to this thing!!!!!

[justpickles]

Organic and vax

I confess that DH and I do not eat exclusively organic, but baby boy does! And all three of my boys have been vaxed.

[applejuice]

Originally Posted by callmemama

Vegan, whole foods, organic, selectively-vaxed.

ETA: While I am confident in our dietary decisions, I remain conflicted on the vax issue.

Good for you. We are all learning to make the very best decisions for ourselves.

We need more people like you.

Thoughtful and thinking.

[applejuice]

Originally Posted by mamatowill

Chicken pox stays in your body forever and can keep flaring up as shingles throughout your life. My mother gets it frequently.

Yes, and you can get shingles from either having the actual disease or getting the vaccine...take your pick.

Also my doctor mentioned that the cases of chicken pox that go to the hospital can have the added complication of flesh eating disease.

I have never heard of this ever before...Your doctor is using scare tactics and you should ask him for verification...

I discuss the vaxes with my doctor before giving them.

Good. Still, ask for the package inserts and keep them in a safe place.

I am not taking anyone's position lightly. I know I will not change anyone's mind and other statisitcs can be brought forward. I just wanted to put insight into a small part of what information I use when making my decision to vax.

[frolick16]

We try to eat organic 100% of the time $$$ and availability are factors and we do not vax (though my 6 and 11 year old are, unfortunately, vaxxed) Does anyone have the link to the man that was offering $20,000 to any doctor or pharmaceuticals ceo who would drink a dose of vaxxs?

[Mama2Mila]

We try to eat organic/unprocessed most of the time and my DD is fully vaxed (was on a delayed schedule). My DS will be vaxed on a delayed schedule also.

Alex

[*LoveBugMama*]

Originally Posted by Gitti

Then how come in countries where they don't push vaccines and the people are well off, such as Europeans, kids are not dying in droves?

I just wanted to comment this little part of your post, Gitti:

I am a European. A Norwegian. And here in Norway more or less everyone vaccinates their children. I think it`s something like 98%.

If you don`t, you will definately have to defend your view to your doctor, but he/she ofcourse have to respect your choice in the end. So atleast in THIS European country they DO push vaccines.

What IS better here, is that our children never get more than 1 shot at the time, and that the totalt number of shots is 6. And I am pretty sure there is something in American vaccines that is not in ours. I have read this, but don`t remeber exactly what it was. It was something that was used here in Norway before, but that is now taken out of the vaccines. Can it possibly be mercury?

I am not sure.. Sorry.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by CrunchyTamara

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What IS better here, is that our children never get more than 1 shot at the time, and that the totalt number of shots is 6. And I am pretty sure there is something in American vaccines that is not in ours. I have read this, but don`t remeber exactly what it was. It was something that was used here in Norway before, but that is now taken out of the vaccines. Can it possibly be mercury?

I am not sure.. Sorry.

Oh, good to see someone from Norway. I love that country. So clean and friendly.

6 shots! Our kids get anywhere from 32 upwards.

That's what I meant. Most European countries do not have the vaccine mandate that we have here in the US.

The pharma conglomerate pushes vaccines, brainwashes your physicians and uses the general propaganda, but you do not have the mandate that we have here in the US.

I have relatives in Germany/Switzerland and they do not have to show any proof of vaccinating when their kids start Kindergarten. It is left up to the parents.

My relatives in Switzerland say it is not unusual for a doctor to sign a vaccine passport if a parent requests it for some reason, and yet never even vaccinate the child.

The German constitution is very clear on that. It is forbidden that vaccines will ever again become law. I don't remember the details as to why, I believe it had something to do with smallpox vaccine that created an epidemic may years past.

Whe you look at the laws in Austria, Germany, Netherlands, Spain, EU, and some others, there is no vaccine that are required. France requires something like 3 vaccines total, so do some other countries. Italy is the most vaccinated besides the former Eastern Europe. Russia has a very forceful vaccine program and yet they have diphtheria epidemics. They also have the most vaccine damaged kids although they have taken mercury out of vaccines ca 10 yrs ago.

Also in every study that is done in those countries it is always noted that we can not really compare them with our vaccine program since the initial vaccination starts at a later age and results in fewer boosters. Most are given in smaller doses and one at a time. There is NO comparison to what is being injected into our kids in the US.

Also Mercury was taken out of all childhood vaccines in Europe ca 10 yrs ago.

To me, most European countries are way ahead of us. The Scandinavian countries especially. Norway being probably the top of all of them.

[calpurnia]

Gitti, that was really interesting. I'm in the UK, & I think the situation here sounds pretty similar to that in Norway. I didn't realise the situation was so different in the States. You've enlightened me!

[Mirzam]

We are an organic only family and do not vaccinate.