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post #41 of 97
In response to Mel4him's posting, note that in previous generations, there was not an issue of global warming, depleting ozone layer, acid rain, and other yucky stuff. Also, most other sunny places on the planet have darker skinned people, who have more melanin to help them be more protected from the sun. Also, these darker skinned cultures STILL put some sort of barrier protection usually (oils, ointment, dust/mineral layers, etc). There's also more ozone depletion over certain areas of the planet.

This is the same damage that have been causing recent fluxes of hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes. Because of a thinner protective ozone layer, there are certain spots on the earth that have a higher temperature (by a few degrees). This may not sound like much, but it disturbs weather patterns, plant growth, and vegetation. The UK has done a lot of studies on the degree difference and the affect of vegetation growth in the area.

Anyway, I digress.

I think the instances of skin cancer have increased due to the above reasons, plus we have a culture of sun-worshipping and over-doing it in the USA. I do think that skin damage has always been an issue throughout the ages. It was just called "Lesions, boils, and skin abnormalities" before - where now we know Melanoma as cancer.

If you can find a more natural combination of sunscreen available on the market, great, but to go WITHOUT sunscreen of some sort during extended periods of time during peak sun hours is just plain ridiculous and foolish.

You will notice that people who look younger in later years of life attribute to taking care of their skin, using moisturizer, and avoiding getting sunburns. Sunburns and over-exposure to UV light exacerbates premature wrinkling.

Take care this summer, all.
post #42 of 97
Snooter,
What California Baby sunscreen do you have then? Is it in a tube or is it a spray?

Spastica, I think you make some excellent points very clearly.
post #43 of 97
I went ahead and scanned in two pictures of my sunscreen (front and back). I'm not sure if you can read it well, but when I looked it up online, it said that it contained parabens. However, my bottle says nothing of that. I'm not sure why.

Front
Back
post #44 of 97
Yeah, that's the one I used to use. Maybe they changed the formulation very recently? That's sort of what the website implied. Thanks.

ETA now I look at the back of your bottle, where it says "our proprietary preservative..." - that's what's replaced the parabens. That's good news, maybe I'll give them another try (once I use up my huge bottle of UVNaturals)!
post #45 of 97
Thanks for all of the information in this thread! What I have gleaned is that I should look for a sunscreen that does not have any of the bad things (listed by someone above) but does have zinc oxide, preferably micronized. A quick google lists coppertone spectra 3 (already mentioned), sea&ski kids, and solbar zinc (never heard of it, but you can see it here http://www.dermstore.com/product_Sol...PF+38_993.htm).

Of course, the product sites for coppertone and sea&ski don't list all of the ingredients. I'm going to check them both out at the store today and see what I can find out. I'll post with my findings later. One thing, though, sea&ski contains astaxanthin, which I just googled and found this

Astaxanthin, a naturally occurring carotenoid pigment, is a powerful biological antioxidant. Astaxanthin exhibits strong free radical scavenging activity and protects against lipid peroxidation and oxidative damage of LDL-cholesterol, cell membranes, cells, and tissues.

Sounds like a good thing...

Again, thanks for all of the info, especially the Dr Weil link, the info on titanium dioxide, and anything that comes from Spastica's keyboard .
post #46 of 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spastica
In response to Mel4him's posting, note that in previous generations, there was not an issue of global warming, depleting ozone layer, acid rain, and other yucky stuff. Also, most other sunny places on the planet have darker skinned people, who have more melanin to help them be more protected from the sun. Also, these darker skinned cultures STILL put some sort of barrier protection usually (oils, ointment, dust/mineral layers, etc). There's also more ozone depletion over certain areas of the planet.

This is the same damage that have been causing recent fluxes of hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes. Because of a thinner protective ozone layer, there are certain spots on the earth that have a higher temperature (by a few degrees). This may not sound like much, but it disturbs weather patterns, plant growth, and vegetation. The UK has done a lot of studies on the degree difference and the affect of vegetation growth in the area.

Anyway, I digress.

I think the instances of skin cancer have increased due to the above reasons, plus we have a culture of sun-worshipping and over-doing it in the USA. I do think that skin damage has always been an issue throughout the ages. It was just called "Lesions, boils, and skin abnormalities" before - where now we know Melanoma as cancer.

If you can find a more natural combination of sunscreen available on the market, great, but to go WITHOUT sunscreen of some sort during extended periods of time during peak sun hours is just plain ridiculous and foolish.

You will notice that people who look younger in later years of life attribute to taking care of their skin, using moisturizer, and avoiding getting sunburns. Sunburns and over-exposure to UV light exacerbates premature wrinkling.

Take care this summer, all.

post #47 of 97
maybe somebody mentioned this, but you can check out the toxicity of a bunch of different skin care products at:

http://www.ewg.org/reports/skindeep/?key=nosign

check it out...
post #48 of 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by bonberi

Again, thanks for all of the info, especially the Dr Weil link, the info on titanium dioxide, and anything that comes from Spastica's keyboard .
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post #49 of 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by mavery
Yeah, that's the one I used to use. Maybe they changed the formulation very recently? That's sort of what the website implied. Thanks.

ETA now I look at the back of your bottle, where it says "our proprietary preservative..." - that's what's replaced the parabens. That's good news, maybe I'll give them another try (once I use up my huge bottle of UVNaturals)!
FYI: I emailed California Baby about the removal of the parbens and I posted the response here: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=462918
post #50 of 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by eden/averymum
oh my, this thread has stressed me out and confused me.

can we get succinct?

I need to avoid
titanium dioxide
parabens
Benzophenone-3
Octyl Metho-xycinnamate
Octyl-dimethyl-PABA.

and look for
micronised zinc oxide

?????

Arrrrgghhhhh!! Me too! I am so paranoid now- I feel like whatever I do I am harming my children! I wish it were possible to just wear long sleeves and pants but it truly isn't, it gets to 100 degrees a lot here in the summer and is extremely humid and muggy, they'd die of heat exhaustion and suffocation and that wouldn't be good, either!

Spastica- excellent post!

ok- so bottom line- I should look for a brand w/ micronized zinc oxide (will check out those that were posted) and the CA baby type is an ok product- I've seen that but didn't buy it due to price and b/c I read it contained parabens, which apparently now it does not!
post #51 of 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snooter
I went ahead and scanned in two pictures of my sunscreen (front and back). I'm not sure if you can read it well, but when I looked it up online, it said that it contained parabens. However, my bottle says nothing of that. I'm not sure why.
Wow, good to know they stopped using parabens. I stopped using CA Baby stuff precisely because of the parabens so to them! Still, according to that other articleposted, ZO is preferable to TD so I think I"ll try the UV natural stuff instead.
post #52 of 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by bonberi
A quick google lists coppertone spectra 3 (already mentioned), sea&ski kids, and solbar zinc (never heard of it, but you can see it here http://www.dermstore.com/product_Sol...PF+38_993.htm).

Of course, the product sites for coppertone and sea&ski don't list all of the ingredients. I'm going to check them both out at the store today and see what I can find out. I'll post with my findings later. .
FYI - drugstore.com generally has complete pkg details for all products they sell. I checked tge coppertone spectra one and it has parabens, lots of yucky chemicals and all the hormone disruptor sunscreens in it I'd imagine the other 2 are similar...
Quote:
ngredients: Homosalate, Octinoxate, Octocrylene, Oxybenzone, Zinc Oxide

Inactive Ingredients: Water, Isopropyl Laurate, Propylene Glycol, PVP/Eicosene Copolymer, Behenyl Alcohol, Glyceryl Stearate, Magnesium Aluminum Silicate, Sodium Dicocoylethylenediamine PEG-15 Stearate, Glyceryl Stearate Citrate, Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Retinyl Palmitate (Vitamin A Palmitate), Tocopherol (Vitamin E), PEG-30 Dipolyhydroxystearate, Diazolidinyl Urea, Xanthan Gum, Triethoxycaprylylsilane, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Disodium EDTA
post #53 of 97
On a related note, I learned something today. For people who have multiple sclerosis (MS) in their families, 4,000 IUs of vitamin D supplement per day is said to stave off MS. You can get quite a bit of UVB exposure to the sun during summer months, which turns cholesterols in the body into vitamin D. However, sunscreen, smog, clothing, and all that can prevent the Vitamin D synthesis from occurring.

Argh, there's no winning, is there?...

I still think that some sort of sunscreen is necessary for peak hours in the sun. 20 minutes of sunscreenless exposure in a bathing suit is plenty to get some good vitamin D.
post #54 of 97
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post #55 of 97
My kids and I have those swimsuits! But I'm still looking for something for my face and arms. Can't wear a hat in the pool, KWIM? At least not to swim with.
post #56 of 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by cwaddick
Has anyone tried this UV Natural Sunscreen from Australia? It looks like it is a really good product, but I would be hesitant to try it until I can find it retail or wholesale for a lot cheaper than $30 for a 7 oz. bottle! This is the same product that AmyDoula mentions above. Is someone price-comparison savvy? Could you find it cheap for us? -- Caitlin
I just ordered the large bottle for $20.00, although it is 2005 stock and about to "expire." According to UV Naturals, it actually has a shelf life of 3 years, although certain laws require it to have a much shorter expiration date. I ordered mine here: http://www.refreshinglyfree.com

I can't wait to try it. Based upon what I've read, it really is a natural product.

BTW, I have found that if I use Berts Bee's tinted moisturizer, I get no sun on my face, although it has no SPF. Something about the ingredients protect my skin.
post #57 of 97
I ordered the UV NAturals sunscreen last year, based on this thread. It was the most disgustingly oily sun lotion I have ever had. I felt like I had buttered my face. It was awful. I wear glasses so this is a big deal to me. I could not see through the oily film on my lenses!

This year, we have all switched to California Babies with zinc and titanium oxide, wearing hats as often as possible, getting some (limited) sun exposure without protection to get our vit d, and using sun umbrellas and clothes to protect us. My naturopath says, and the skin deep website confirms, that there are no sunscreen products that are completely healthy. But, it is also not healthy to get burned. A happy medium is the best bet.
post #58 of 97
I tried CA Baby last yr and it was ok, but SO thick. And made ds and I look kind of bluish. Is there another more natural sunscreen out there I might like better?
post #59 of 97
I've heard good things about Alba Organics products.
post #60 of 97
I got several bottles of the UV Naturals last year. I'm so-so on it. I continue to use it, since it's the only one I've found that uses only Zinc Oxide.

I concur with boongirl - it's thick and greasy and icky. The thickness is irritating - it's hard to squeeze out of the tube, especially in the spring when it's not hot yet (it's gets a little softer in the summer heat). The greasyness doesn't absorb into your skin. The scent is kinda... health-food-y. Like, it just smells greasy. It contains hydrogenated oil, which makes me wonder if that's a safe ingredient to smear on your skin. It also contains nut oil (almond, I think, I don't have it in front of me), which makes me nervous around other kids at the playground - I always fear that my girls will come in contact with a nut-allergic child.

On the flip side, it is mostly colorless - it doesn't show against our caucasian skin, though it has a slightly chalky look against my dark hair when I put it on my scalp along my part, which makes me wonder if it would do the same on darker skin tones. (I've posted a message to one of my friends about that, she's AA and recently ordered some of this...) And a tube of it lasts *forever*.

I've been wondering if I can buy micronized zinc oxide in some format for making my own lotion. Anybody know anything about that? I Googled around, and found a manufacturer of it, but it looked like they provided it only for industrial scale customers.
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