KILLS me

[Luckyinlife]

It just saddens me to no end.

There are SO many mom's on there taking about putting their 5-8yr olds on antidepressants etc and many of their kids already are on them......they talk as thought it's normal to do this.
Just go and get him/her drugs from the dr. Like, it's as normal as going grocery shopping or something.

What is this world coming to???? Why are so many babies being drugged-up??? It's not even a last resort with most of them, they just say their child is acting up and are considering putting them on drugs

It makes me not want to look at those boards anymore but, Im seeing that it's pretty much everywhere and very much 'the norm'.

Is this ever gonna stop

[weebitty2]

You know .. just a thought here .. but MAYBE *some* those kids wouldn't be so down all the time if they stopped drugging them for "ADHD/ADD" that they don't have?

Not saying it's all people that do it .. but my brother's been investigating anti-d's for my neice (9) .. who I'm sure if they took her off the ritalin would probably "get off her a** and do more than watch tv and mope"

[Mirzam]

Kills me too. But it is a great way to control the masses and turn them into drones.

It will stop when enough people have woken up and say, "No more, your outta here."

[Jen123]

ah....but it's so much easier than parenting and disciplining.

[Rainbow Brite]

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[aira]

ITA with T'annu and Jen.

[Peppamint]

There was a mom on a homebirth group I'm in who was frustrated with the boards on a website... the moms were giving their babies some medication (can't remember the name of it ) that would konk them out.

It just freaks me out...

(My half-uncle grew up on Ritalin and now he likes street drugs... what'd they expect? )

[Jen123]

knocking them out? here's a thought.....it's out there , but it works wonders.... LAY DOWN WITH YOUR CHILD to get them to sleep. ohmyword. I've been known to give benadryl to a child who is restless and needs his sleep , but not to knock them out for my convience. that's sick.

[aniT]

Originally Posted by Jen123

knocking them out? here's a thought.....it's out there , but it works wonders.... LAY DOWN WITH YOUR CHILD to get them to sleep. ohmyword. I've been known to give benadryl to a child who is restless and needs his sleep , but not to knock them out for my convience. that's sick.

I have done that with all three of my girls. It has hard to wean them from it when they are older.. say 3ish, but I could never imagin sticking any of my kids in a crib to cry til they went to sleep!! Even though I know how hard it will be later.. this baby has been in our bed since day one! (DH informed last night she needed to learn to sleep in her own bed, I looked at him like he had two heads and rolled over and went to sleep.)

I once told a doctor I didn't like to give dd#1 binadryl (sp) when she was about 1.5 -2. I told him it made her hyper and wasn't worth it. He told me if it wasn't knocking her out, I wasn't giving her enough and to give her more. This is the same doctor that told us if the tylonal didn't bring down her fever to give her more. He double dosed her and didnt let us leave his office until her fever was down. Of course 2 hours later it jumped back up to 104. I think some doctors get their degrees out of a cracker jack's box.

Also I read an artical the other day (dont know where it is) that said the rise in children on antidepressents is due directly related to ritalin. they are using the antidepressents to combate the side effects of ritalin. The FDA has also issued a warning that some antidepressents are not recommended for children and are blamed for sucides in children that are on them.

when are people going to get a clue?

[LoveChild421]

My half-uncle grew up on Ritalin and now he likes street drugs... what'd they expect?

same thing happened with a friend of mine- it's funny, everyone attributed his bad behavior to "ADD" and no one ever thought that it might be related to his abusive father and doormat mother

[LongIsland]

Between the ages of 3-4, when my son attended a special education preschool, I could not believe the number of mothers who told me their kids were drugged. Yup, three and four year olds on powerful stimulants and/or anti-depressents! Like it was no big deal.

Hmmm, perhaps the fact that most of the children in the school had significant speech/language delays, no doubt a contributing factor to their "inappropriate" behaviors???? Not to mention the fact that more than half the kids in each classroom had a dairy or gluten allergy, which can adversely effect behavior as well.

The school psychologist even tried to talk to me about giving something to my son . . . big mistake. I literally laughed at him when he told me about the CHADD organization. The next day, I gave him all the literature I found about CHADD and their numero uno supporter . . . the makers of Ritalin. I also gave him the DEA classification information on Ritalin (aka cocaine) and told him never to mention it to me again. I was more than pissed off.

My son is now in a regular second grade classroom . . . with no help from dangerous drugs. Dietary intervention, supplements and positive behavior modification can do wonders.

[LoveChild421]

Ritalin (aka cocaine)

actually its Speed (amphetamines)...why don't we just give all these kids with "ADD" some crystal meth!

[LongIsland]

Correct, however it has the same pharmacological effects as cocaine also:

From the DEA:
Methylphenidate, a Schedule II substance, has a high potential for abuse and produces many of the same effects as cocaine or the amphetamines.

[aniT]

Originally Posted by LoveChild421

actually its Speed (amphetamines)...why don't we just give all these kids with "ADD" some crystal meth!

A friend of mine was on this in high school. He pocketed it instead of taking it and sold it.

I think he actually did have some sort of problem. (Yes, admitting I was a very bad girl in high school.) If he smoked a joint he would bounce off the walls, but speed put him to sleep. This is someone who was born in '68 '69 so he didn't have all the vaccines everyone else did.

I would like to point out I ran into this person when the Two Towers was in the theatres. (I ran into him in that movie.) As part of his 12 step program he appologized for any wrongs he may have done me in high school. So this is where these children are going to end up 15-20 years down the road. In a 12 step program.

[LongIsland]

I just read somewhere that a study was done and indicated that the drug causes chromosomal changes. If anyone wants the info., please let me know!

[LongIsland]

Originally Posted by LoveChild421

...why don't we just give all these kids with "ADD" some crystal meth!

I know right! You might as well. Then you've got some parents who put their kids on not just one drug. . . but another one. Oh, Johnny's on Ritalin for focusing, but he's become aggressive, so we have him on Paxil too. :

[Jen123]

but the paxil gives him nausea so he's on something for that too. That med has some mood altering side effects , but that's okay cuz doc said to give him twice the dose of the ritalin. It's worked wonders!!!! And if that should fail we could always fall back on the spanking.

Jen
off to puke now

[blessedwithboys]

hi all. i'm not quite sure what the op has to do with the vax issue, but i'll bite anyway.

my 10yo was vaxed up til about 18 mos. by age 3 i KNEW he had ADHD or at least extremely impulsive tendancies. this has been confirmed over and over again by professionals. he nursed til about age 2, clw, and coslept until he decided he wnated his own room (still comes to my bed on occasion). we discovered healthy eating when he was about 4, natural cleaning methods by the time he was 5. i have used AP and natural healing since birth. i have done everything in the scope of NFL i can think of to help him. but through it all, and through all the elimination diet trials, his outrageously impulsive behavior has only gotten worse. in fact, its so bad that it has all but killed his self esteem. he is now expressing suicidal ideation. herbs are not working. in 2 days he sees the shrink to discuss the possibility of meds. i have consistantly refused ritalin and other such drugs since he was 3 yo. and now i have a kid who wants to die, b/c, in his words, he is "messed up and there is something wrong with him. he might as well not live, and is not good enough to be on the earth".

my 3yo ds has the exact same temperment as his bro. he has not been vaxed at all and i set my feet on the NFL path long b4 the conception of this child. he has had all the benefits of a mother with more experience. and now he is starting OT for SID/SPD. (which actually may have been the issue with ds1, not ADHD).

at least i figured out his "problem" while he is still young enough to maybe not suffer the complete loss of self-worth that my other baby has gone through.

as for my 10yo...my thought is to maybe put him on a very low dose of anti-depressant. i still have to do my research as to which is considered "safest" for kids. in 6 mos i will evalute continuing further. maybe this will give all the herbs a chance to work properly. maybe not. but at this point i have stopped caring about chromosomal defects or liver damage. all i care about is seeing that my son lives through the impending teen years w/out a single attempt on his own precious life.

i understand the need of the OP'er to vent. i do it too. way too many kids are on meds for the ease of their parents and teachers. a friend of a friend just began HS'ing after a teacher told her she "had to" put her ds on ritalin, or she would refuse him entry to her classroom. another mama may have just caved and gotten meds. but there ARE kids who may just have some sort of genetic predisposition toward mental illness. it runs in my family. my poor babies were doomed.

sorry for the rambling tone of my post. it is an emotionally charged topic for me. carry on...

[HelloKitty]

blessedwithboys

It's so sad to think of all the children on these powerful meds - both those that need them and those that don't.

[weebitty2]

Originally Posted by aniT

I think he actually did have some sort of problem. (Yes, admitting I was a very bad girl in high school.) If he smoked a joint he would bounce off the walls, but speed put him to sleep.

I'm actually the same way, with illicit and prescription/non-p drugs. Benadryl wires me, nyquil wires me, i bounced off the walls on weed. Speed, decongestants, ephedrine (prescription - asthma) et c? I'm out like a light.