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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I have never really understood what makes one song "pop" another "rock" another "metal". Now I'm getting REALLY confused :LOL

I found an album of great 80's songs and the title was "80's New Wave". What the heck is new wave? And is it still new? :LOL I didn't realize I was listening to New Wave back then, I thought it was just "pop"

And today I found a song I like being referred to as "techno-disco". Ok, I know what disco is (Saturday Night Fever, right?!) and I *thought* I knew what techno was (and I do often like it when I hear it). I thought this song was "dance" though. Guess I'm clueless yet again

Is there a site that defines all this stuff? Are there actual rules or is it just made up by whoever happens to be listening at the moment? Can someone give me examples of different styles?

Or am I just doomed to be un-hip forever? :LOL
post #2 of 12
To be honest I dont really get it either (unless its very very clear what category it goes in....like George Jones or Patsy Cline are classic country now etc) The lines have gotten blurry, and IMO they are getting even more so lately. It doesn't bother me really because I just listen to whatever I stumble on that I like, but it does make it somewhat difficult to explain what you like to someone else lol.
post #3 of 12
I have no idea, but forwarded it to my musical guru friend, who hopefully will enlighten us when she takes a break from her database manipulation job.
post #4 of 12
I don't know anything about popular music, but when I was reading this thread title, composers like Paul Hindemith or Schoenberg immediately came to mine. :LOL I can't make heads or tails out of it either.
post #5 of 12
if you want a totally in-depth and umm academic answer to your query..

check out this link.
happy learning!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_genre
post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 
Wow! What a link! I haven't heard of half (ok, probably 3/4 :LOL ) of those genres Thanks! I'm probably more confused now :LOL but it was interesting reading I think I agree with the quote near that top that most of these genres are created for marketing and don't really mean a lot. I mean, I would never have thought that the Sex Pistols and Blondie were both punk. I guess I have no idea what punk is :LOL But thanks. I am now in awe of how much I *don't* know
post #7 of 12
Well, my music guru friend wrote back, and here's her response (she's a little snarky - wonder where she gets that from? )

Anyway, technically pop is not so much a musical style as a statement about it's popularity. Hence, pop being short for popular music. Really, anything that is popular is pop music but that's not really the way the word is used now so I digress. I suppose currently pop music is anything of a non-rap variety performed by white youngsters (i.e. Backstreet Boys, Justin Timberlake, Brittany, that kid from Summerland). Anything of the non-rap variety performed by black youngsters is R&B or soul (i.e. Usher, Alicia Keys, Beyonce). Then there's all manner of rap. Performed by both white youngsters (Eminem) and black youngsters (Kanye West). Gangsta rap (Ice-T, Tupac). Old school rap (Run DMC) and then the battle between East Coast rappers and West Coast rappers. Apparently, there is a difference but I haven't a clue what it is. There's the battle of the ageing rock stars (Aerosmith, Rolling Stones) comprised mostly of 50 or 60 something white men who are lucky to remember their names let alone words to 30 year old songs due to all the brain cells they've killed off from drugs. Despite their steadily decling number of brain cells these guys can still rock and therefore still deserve to be called ROCK stars. This is unlike their "pop" counterparts (Rod Stewart, Lionel Ritchie, Cher) who cannot hold their old titles and are now relegated to adult contemporary status. Back to rock music. There's often a fine line between rock and pop and is frequently decided only by the listener. Recently, there has been a fine crop of women rockers (Sheryl Crowe and Melissa Etheridge) and a few guys who aren't bad (U2, Springsteen). On to metal. Mostly characterized by long haired men with lots of tatoos and a lack of clothing on stage (have you ever seen a metal band fully clothed on stage?) Metal is a dying art these days and I can't really think of a single newish metal band unless Ed Rollins counts (I think he's metal, but he might not really be new). But never fear, there's an abundance of 80s and 90s metal (Metallica, Anthrax, Motley Crue). What's next? Punk. Big in the 70s and 80s (Blondie, Adam and the Ants). It seemed to die off a bit in the 90s but many say that grunge (Nirvana) was the new punk. I have no opinion on that matter. Perhaps punk is making a come back (Green Day) or maybe it's just that the definition of punk has been expanded (Jimmy Eat World) because some of what is now called punk is less punk and more rock. Who knows? Can't forget the singer-songwriters. The new (John Mayer) and the old (James Taylor). Often these guys are called light rock but one woman's light rock is another's adult contemporary so that's better left to you, the discerning listener. Then there's my favorite category, the formulaic rock bands, known in some quarters as crap-alt-rock (Matchbox twenty, 3 Doors Down, No Doubt and many, many more). The techno stuff (Moby) which is fine if you like slightly esoteric music. And dance music, much of which did not start out as dance music but as rock or pop and some dip of a dj sped it up and added synthesizers to form hideous mutant music (Enya's Only Time, anyone). I'm sure there are many more but I am required to do actual work from time to time so I must end Music 101 here. Hope this helped or at least provided a modicum of amusement.

Hope that helps!
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
:LOL Thanks, that was funny! But seriously, Adam Ant is in the same genre as the Sex Pistols and Blondie? I think I now have to accept that I will never understand this and just leave it at that

Funny about the "ageing rock stars" vs. contemporary adult. There was a hilarious Doonsebury strip once. Mike was listening to the Stones and the DJ comes on and says something to the effect of "brace yourself . . . . . you're listening to Light FM" :LOL
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by ShannonCC
:LOL Thanks, that was funny! But seriously, Adam Ant is in the same genre as the Sex Pistols and Blondie?

Blondie *was* a punk band and then they became a pop band. Adam Ant has always been a pop band as far as I know.

Actually there were ALOT of formerly punk bands who went onto different styles of music, some also helped create new genres. Ever since the late 70's musicians haven't really made a habit of sticking to one genre.
post #10 of 12
Well, seriously, punk was originally more to do with the philosophy and lyric content than the sound of the music -- it was anti-establishment, anarchist, politically-charged music -- think The Dead Kennedies. Then it became just a label put on a certain sound, which is how it came to be applied to Green Day, who originally were not very punk in their content at all, just loud and immature. Jello Biafra wrote a great atricle about this and said there were some singer-songwriters who were more punk in their attitude and spirit than many of the so-called neopunk bands. Now, of course, Green Day has evolved a bit and might be able to lay claim to the true punk label (but that's a matter of debate).
post #11 of 12
I didn't think Green Day was ever considered a punk band (by anyone other than themselves). I've always seen them categorized as "alternative".
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
I called Adam Ant "pop" myself. But then, I called most of what I listened to in the 80's "pop" and now I'm finding most of the bands labeled punk or new wave.

I'm thinking it's *all* a matter of debate
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