Any other Gabaldon fans want to talk about Claire and Jamie? - Page 3

[JennyClaire]

BusyMommy - From what I've read ahead on DG's web site ( ), Brianna and Roger aren't mentioned at all in the 2 future books!

Hollycrand - I don't remember reading what kind of historian Roger was. Brianna (I think) had switched majors from History to Engineering when Frank died, but she went into the past right after graduation and never had a career.

[Hollycrand]

Where did you find this info on DG's site?
I'm wondering how DG can write two entire books w/o Brianna, Roger and little Jemmy? Unless she plans to kills them off? (Highly unlikely...)

[JennyClaire]

Roger, Bree & Jemmy aren't mentioned in the excerpts. This doesn't mean they aren't in future books. That's just my guess. The link to this portion of the site is:

http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~gatti/ga.../excerpts.html

I'm bad. I'd just finished Fiery Cross, and instead of picking up one of my two new library books, what did I start but Outlander! I need someone to lock them up until the new one comes out! Oh well!

[Hollycrand]

Any DG Claire/Jamie fans want to have a guess as to what will be happening in A Breath...? Maybe this will kill the time before the book comes out and help us keep our major and minor storylines and characters straight (In Fiery Cross I started getting some of the names mixed up and had to take note of the minor characters the third time I read it).

My ideas:

-I think DG will put Lizzie and Ian together and have them wed

-Brianna and Roger will have another baby - a girl this time - lose the baby to sickness, and possibly start to think about going back to the 20th century with Jemmy to get on with their lives. I mean, Roger could make a good living as a historical writer on the 18th century...whatever his supposed specialty was before....

-Ian, Jenny and a couple of their children will make the trek to Fraser's Ridge after a horrible run-in at Lallybroch with the English taking revenge for some of the rebel causes that some of the Scots have been taking up in the Americas. Young Jamie will be imprisoned.

-Claire will go through menopause, and have to deal with all sorts of issues dealing with that.





JennyClaire,

Thanks for the excerpts link! It's great to have some insight about what's possibly to come in the next TWO books.

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I can't believe that Claire ends up marrying Lord John Gray? Then that scene where Jamie and Claire confront one another (after Claire has thought he was dead for so long) and Claire blurts out to Willie that Jamie is his father....can't wait to see where that's going to lead them.
Will Willie end up killing his father? Will Jamie and Claire die side by side in bed, as they have always wanted to? Will Brianna, Roger and Jemmy successfully make it back to the 20th century? How will they (especially Jemmy) adapt? Will Brianna and Roger leave Jemmy behind?
AAARRGH! I can't believe I have to wait until 2007/2008 to find this out!!!

[JennyClaire]

Originally Posted by Hollycrand

-I think DG will put Lizzie and Ian together and have them wed

I hope so!! It seems very likely.

Originally Posted by Hollycrand

-Brianna and Roger will have another baby - a girl this time - lose the baby to sickness, and possibly start to think about going back to the 20th century with Jemmy to get on with their lives.

Maybe that's when Brianna will get diabetes (a prediction of mine) - during her pregnancy. Gestational Diabetes. I sure hope the baby doesn't die, though!

Originally Posted by Hollycrand

-Claire will go through menopause, and have to deal with all sorts of issues dealing with that.

Originally Posted by Hollycrand

JennyClaire,

Thanks for the excerpts link! It's great to have some insight about what's possibly to come in the next TWO books.

My pleasure, Holly! I love this thread!


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Originally Posted by Hollycrand

I can't believe that Claire ends up marrying Lord John Gray? Then that scene where Jamie and Claire confront one another (after Claire has thought he was dead for so long) and Claire blurts out to Willie that Jamie is his father....can't wait to see where that's going to lead them.

This is the main reason I have stopped reading ahead on DG's site. Taken out-of-context (or when you just can't get at the whole book) it makes me feel to know what is going to happen (I mean, Claire marrying Lord John, come on!!!!!) - but it will make more sense while reading the book, KWIM?

I sure hope Jamie and Claire die side by side, when they are very old. One thing I remember reading somewhere (?) was that the story will end back in Scotland. Maybe they'll die at Lollybroch, then?

What about the whole Stephen Bonnet paternity problem? Will that be resolved with DNA testing back in the 20th century? Or will Jemmy start looking like his father. I have a feeling that it will be Roger.

[oldcrunchymom]

I too have read that the story will end in Scotland. Not sure how they're all going to make it back there in time, but they must, because isn't Jamie's grave there?

I think that Roger and Brianna will definitely go "back to the future" along with their kiddo. It is screamingly obvious that they do not belong in the 18th century.

I expect that we'll have some closure with the Bonnet and young Ian plotlines. Bonnet has escaped way too easily in the past IMO.

Wasn't there an outstanding issue with another person who had gone through the stones? Not the American Indian guy but another character. I don't know, I haven't read the books in a while so maybe I am misremembering.

[Hollycrand]

Ickrause,

The gravestone that Brianna, Roger and Claire stumbled upon in the late 1960s was the fake gravestone that had been put there by Frank. There's some idea that Frank had put it there to stop Claire from going back into the past again, or to incite Claire to start looking for Jamie.

Roger has read the note Frank wrote to Rev. Wakefield to confess his creation of the gravestone, but I don't remember if Roger shares this info with Claire in Fiery Cross (I'm currently reading it again in leading up to the new book's release).

I think the return to Scotland will be related to the slavery issue. As after the Revolution most land-holding men were called up to be state members of Parliament, I think Jamie will have to decide whether to be a member of that Parliament (and hence support the institution of slavery) or leave. I don't know if there would have been a large choice of places for them to go, as the Northern non-slavery States were more English or Puritanical in their traditions. They will probably go back to Scotland because they know they'll be welcome there. Just taking a guess!
Maybe Jamie will leave his land to Fergus and Marsali (who might want to join Jamie and Claire in the end) or to Willie, or to ........?
If they did go back to Scotland, what would happen to Laoghaire? Supposedly that's the reason why they left Scotland in the first place?

As for the Bonnet plotline, I suppose it will be dragged on or he'll be killed by either Jamie or Roger (seeking revenge) and then DG will find another antagonist for fans to shout 'Boo' at.

I can't wait to get my copy of 'A Breath of Snow and Ashes'!

[JennyClaire]

Stephen Bonnet is a "good" villain (he saved Brianna from the fire, remember?) ----- Do you think (I know it's unlikely) there is any way he'll be reformed?

Holly, yes, there will have to be a resolution with Laoghaire. We last heard she was (Mmphm) being intimate with someone, even though Jamie is supporting her! Do you think the lover will be someone we know?

[Hollycrand]

When did Bonnet save Brianna? In DOA or FC? I don't remember this, but I'm in the middle of finishing DOA and then planning to start FC so that I'll be finishing the last page of FC just before 'A Breath...' comes out.

I hope DG will not have Laoghaire's lover be someone we know. Too many coincidences. But if she does go down that road, I think it'll be Lovat.
But even the fact that Jamie married Laoghaire during the 'apart' years is a bit too full of coincidence for me.
So, I personally hope that DG will find Laoghaire a nice man who will take good care of her and cause her to find goodness in her heart and apologise to Jamie for making him pay so much money and leave Scotland. Maybe she'll also apologise to Claire - making amends and thianking Claire for taking such good care of Marsali?

BTW, where have you all read that the story will end up back in Scotland? Just wanting to know if there are some DG resources that I don't know about...

[JennyClaire]

Bonnet saves Brianna in DOA from a fire in a warehouse. John Grey almost dies from being hit in the head at the same time. This is when Brianna tells Bonnet that her 8-month pregnancy is from him.

I had a horrible thought that Laoghaire's lover was Ian, but that's nuts , and I hope I'm wrong.

I can't remember where I'd heard that the story will end up in Scotland, but I think it was from DG herself.

Reading Outlander for 5th or 6th time. What a great story!

My parents are visiting and talking to me nonstop , so I'll be back another time.

[cinnamonamon]

Ya'll are my kind of ladies! Someone from here actually linked mothering.com on the social board at Lallybroch.com -- that's how I found this place!! :LOL Anywho, if anyone wants excerpts, keep an eye on the excerpt (k, it's late & I'm tired & I don't think I spelled that right! :LOL) board. Whenever DG posts a paragraph or two at compuserve (the board she hangs at ) someone posts a link at lallybroch. There's a yahoo group to notify you whenever there is a new one posted too. (Which is a good thing since I'm never there anymore -- I'm always here!).


I'm curious about the whole hating Brianna thing -- she annoyed me occasionally, but not anything notable. In DG's companion book she notes that most people who hate Brianna are older & most who love her are younger -- I'm 26, & think I identify with her somewhat -- maybe if I were closer to Claire & Jamie's age I'd be irritated with her more? What do you think & where are you "coming from?"


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Re: Bonnet...

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It looks like he somehow captures Brianna -- but doesn't rape her again because she tells him she's pregnant (don't know if she is or not) & he's afraid to have sex w/ preggos as he had a bad experience w/ an at term prostitute...

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In any case, I'm pretty interested in something actually happening w/ Bonnet -- seems like FC was full of set ups & let downs, kwim? She went some interesting places with Randall in DIA; maybe the same will happen w/ Bonnet... remember them all in the room when his brother marries him to Mary Hawkins?

Anywho... I can't wait for ABOSAA!!

[Hollycrand]

I am 31, so older than Bree but younger than Jamie and Claire but find Brianna a bit annoying anyways. Maybe it's because Jamie and Claire have such bold and important experiences behind them and are a bit more 'refined' than Brianna, who is really just a college student cum accidental mother. Jamie and Claire acted more mature at her age than she does, but then, they grew up in two different times and places and had been surrounded by war and death.
Perhaps DG will work on 'rounding' out Roger and Brianna's characters in ABOSAA and have them start to contribute to the farm with their talents - hidden or otherwise.
Perhaps it was the fact that the 18th century made children into adults much younger, but it seems that Ian and Fergus are more 'rounded' out than Roger or Brianna. In any event, I really hope we'll someday learn what Roger's historical specialty was (all we know is that it wasn't the 18th century). This has been bothering me since DIA!

[NiteNicole]

I just reread the whole series again and this time I am 1. AMAZED at how much I missed the first time I read FC and 2. not so much hating Bree. I still think she's unpleasant and a brat, but I don't find myself hoping she'll be struck down by some kind of pox or eaten by a bear or something.

[oldcrunchymom]

Originally Posted by NiteNicole

I just reread the whole series again and this time I am 1. AMAZED at how much I missed the first time I read FC and 2. not so much hating Bree. I still think she's unpleasant and a brat, but I don't find myself hoping she'll be struck down by some kind of pox or eaten by a bear or something.

:LOL I admit I haven't reread the books that Bree features largely in. Actually, I disliked the last book so much (I found it so boring I had to literally force myself to finish it) that I didn't even keep it. To me she comes across as a selfish brat even though it's obvious that DG is trying to write her sympathetically. I think it's that contrast that makes the Brianna character super-irritating to some people, including me. When the author doesn't seem to "get" her own character, it is frustrating.

I do like Roger, and I think his character gets pretty shoddy treatment. DG seems to have created him just to have someone to knock around. He seems like a nice guy and for the life of me I can't understand what he sees in Brianna.

[JennyClaire]

Although Brianna's not my favorite character, I don't hate her. One thing that has always bothered me is that she doesn't seem to be as "in love" with Roger as he is with her (or Jamie and Claire are with each other). Brianna seems to question and evaluate her relationship with Roger, whereas he remains "in love" with her. Anyone else noticed this, or am I just "reading" too much Gabaldon?

[oldcrunchymom]

Originally Posted by JennyClaire

Although Brianna's not my favorite character, I don't hate her. One thing that has always bothered me is that she doesn't seem to be as "in love" with Roger as he is with her (or Jamie and Claire are with each other). Brianna seems to question and evaluate her relationship with Roger, whereas he remains "in love" with her. Anyone else noticed this, or am I just "reading" too much Gabaldon?

No, I'd say that is definitely true. She doesn't like Roger as much as he likes her. Because I am anti-Brianna I chalk it up to her selfishness. But whatever the reason, it is a definite issue with her and Roger.

[Hollycrand]

Maybe DG wanted Brianna to be more of a 'strong' charactered woman, and not a whiney 'I can't do anything without a man' type of person. Actually, I find it not selfishness of Brianna's part, but a bit of stupidity on Rogers part.
From DIA when Roger is first introduced he was already thinking of marriage? This is an Oxford scholar, supposedly not bad-looking (and who's had a few previous experiences before), and a guy who probably doesn't have to try to hard to find a woman (remember Fiona?). To me, Roger just fell in love with Brianna too quickly and without really knowing her. She treats him like s**t, he follows her back to the 18th century not knowing really where she is, and doesn#t even know if Jemmy's his. What a guy! Maybe DG wanted to make Roger more 'sensitive' and Brianna more 'hardened' to make the point that there were all types of men and women at that time?

I just don't think Roger is enjoying himself in the 18th century. I think he'll go back in one of the next two books. Brianna will probably do the same, and I hope Jemmy (and any other kids if they have them) will also be able to make the trek.

[oldcrunchymom]

Originally Posted by Hollycrand

Maybe DG wanted Brianna to be more of a 'strong' charactered woman, and not a whiney 'I can't do anything without a man' type of person.

You're probably right. Too bad Brianna turned out whiney anyway.

I agree that Roger was dumb to follow Bree into the past. I still feel bad for him, though, because he seems so sincere about it all. I think he's mature enough to be truly in love/committed to her, but not quite jaded enough to realize he would have been better off without her. And Brianna isn't doing either of them any favors by clinging to him one second and pushing him away the next.

[BusyMommy]

Oh, I am sooo glad this thread is still here! I read the first 4 about 5 years ago and just started the Fiery Cross. And man oh man, I feel so lost. I take it Ian does come back. I was just wondering that as I snuck out of naptime to come over here to ask. Thanks for the spoiler.

And, Fergus came from their time in France, right? Didn't Claire lose a baby there, Jamie smuggled, etc etc and they left w/young Fergus? Took him back to his family maybe? Then, what?

ANd, who is Marsali? Can't think of who she is for the life of me.

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there will have to be a resolution with Laoghaire

Humor me, was she the time travelling "witch" from the beginning of the story? Supposedly burned at the cross maybe? Didn't she turn up again on some tiny tropical island but how'd she escape? And, WHEN were she and J married? I completely don't remember that.

Whatever happened to Jamie's family back in Scotland?

And, I totally forget when Brianna was w/Lord John? Did he come to America? I hope DG writes another novel for him.

Wasn't there some big prison scene (not Culloden related) where C rescues J with some big wolf scene outside and then going through the dungeon tunnels? Jamie was about to be executed for something?

And, WHY did Jamie send her back through the rocks? Was it b/c she was pregnant and they both knew she couldn't birthe normally? How'd she know that?

Wow, now I want to go back and reread them all. But, I just hated whichever book was about CUlloden. I couldn't get past the IRL tragedy of it.

Well, after all my questions, I have a suggestion. :LOL I think perhaps we think it's due to end in Scotland b/c of the discovery of Jamie's gravestone. But, as PP said, Roger found a letter to the REverend from Frank saying he had falsely placed it there.

Ok, sorry for my epic!

[NiteNicole]

Wow, it has been a long time since you read them - those are some major plot points you've forgotten. It sounds like everything would be new to you and you could really get a kick out of a re-read of the series. I think I'd have to pretty much just write book reports for you to answer all your questions.

Wasn't there some big prison scene (not Culloden related) where C rescues J with some big wolf scene outside and then going through the dungeon tunnels? Jamie was about to be executed for something?

That was pretty much the climax of the first book and majorly shaped the character of Jamie. If that's been lost in the mists of time, then it's certainly worth reading them over again! And I kind of envy that, there are some pretty exciting twists ahead of you.