Originally Posted by AllyRae
To the first point.... That doesn't make any sense to me at all... It's like saying "well, I don't believe that people should shoot their neighbors because I think that's murder....but if Joe down the street wants to kill his neighbor, well, that's his choice because maybe that neighbor did something really bad to him. If the Catholic church believes abortion is murder, there *is* no grey area...there *is* no area where the Catholic church will say "yeah, it's murder, but for you, it's ok". That would be hypocracy...
I've meant to get back to address this for ages, but with three children...well, you get busy!
AllyRae - this is one of the problems people outside the Catholic Church (and other fundamentalist churches, for that matter) have with the Church(es) when it comes to the abortion topic. When I read what you wrote, it was very frustrating, as it seemed to entirely miss the point I was trying to make.
It is not hypocrisy at all to believe that abortion is morally wrong, but to also believe that criminalising women who feel forced into an impossible situation and who feel as if they dont' have any other options is the wrong solution to the problem.
The point I was trying to make was this - if we believe abortion is morally wrong, then we should work to end (as much as possible) abortion. BUT - criminalising abortion is not the best - or even a good - way to do this.
I'd offer you the same movie suggestion I offered SkyLark - please go rent Vera Drake and see what life was like for women (both rich and poor) who felt like abortion was their only option back when abortion was illegal. I do not think it is a good idea to go back to the situation depicted in that movie.
I DO think it is a good idea to address the reasons WHY women feel they need to have an abortion. Interestingly, the Democrats seem much better at this, while the Republican agenda (while being great on the pro-life rhetoric) is crap.
Abortion statistics can be hard to track down, but it appears that they were going down under Clinton (and had been declining previous to that as well, I believe) - but (in States were records have been kept) they've gone up under Dubya - the great 'pro-life' president.
Why? I'd guess it's because, thanks to Dubya's social policies (i.e., cut help for underprivileged moms and kids, so that his wealthy cronies can have their huge tax breaks - oh, and also so we can go to war in Iraq on false pretenses), more women feel backed into impossible situations where abortion feels like the only viable option.
It's easy for us to sit back and shout 'adoption', etc. - but if we've never walked in the shoes of the woman who chooses abortion, if we've never faced the problems she faces, then our words are pretty darned hollow. And hypocritical.