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post #41 of 112
5/4/05 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by annettemarie
Actually, the shelters around here won't take it anymore. They said it wasn't good enough for the animals. (!)
omg-if i were you, i would see if i could get that in writing, on animal shelter letterhead and forward it to the formula company. :LOL
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post #42 of 112
5/4/05 at 7:19pm
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Originally Posted by tayndrewsmama
Pssst...I don't think you're supposed to do that.
Why not? There are plenty of MDC mamas that need to FF for whatever reason.

Heck if I saw free GoodStart on the MDC TP I'd be all over that. Formula is not "evil" if it is a necessary supplement. I use my MM, donated MM , and YES I use formula.
post #43 of 112
5/4/05 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by darwinphish
Why not? There are plenty of MDC mamas that need to FF for whatever reason.

Heck if I saw free GoodStart on the MDC TP I'd be all over that. Formula is not "evil" if it is a necessary supplement. I use my MM, donated MM , and YES I use formula.
No, seriously I think it's in the TP rules that you can't sell formula or bottles or pacifiers. I wasn't saying anything about anything being "evil". Calm down a bit. I know for sure that thread was closed on there for this reason.

Yep, here it is: ATTENTION All Trading Posters
post #44 of 112
5/4/05 at 9:02pm
That formula is "evil" is implied throughout this thread and many others. Heck, people were just talking about it not being good enough for animals... and here I am needing to feed it to my baby. That stings a little, so you'll forgive me if I don't calm down just yet.

I'm really suprised that MDC interprets the WHO guidelines as preventing *giveaways* on TP. It implies that MDC mamas are succeptible to 'giving in' to FFing should they just happen upon a post for free formula. A little insulting, if you ask me.
post #45 of 112
5/4/05 at 9:09pm
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Originally Posted by darwinphish
That formula is "evil" is implied throughout this thread and many others. Heck, people were just talking about it not being good enough for animals... and here I am needing to feed it to my baby. That stings a little, so you'll forgive me if I don't calm down just yet.

I'm really suprised that MDC interprets the WHO guidelines as preventing *giveaways* on TP. It implies that MDC mamas are succeptible to 'giving in' to FFing should they just happen upon a post for free formula. A little insulting, if you ask me.
Well, then I suggest you take it up Cynthia if you have such a problem with it. Don't get on my a** 'cause you have a problem with something that someone else said or if you don't like the rules. If you like formula so much, maybe you shouldn't be reading/posting in the Breastfeeding forum. You're bound to be offended in a place like this. This thread is about what to do with formula samples, nothing more (I am guessing, as I am not the OP :LOL).
post #46 of 112
5/4/05 at 9:17pm
I AM a breastfeeding mom. I am not *offended*, I am *HURT* by the fact that people are so vehemently against something I HAVE to add to my baby's diet in order to keep her healthy. I wish people would look at FFing circumstantially, and have more empathy.

I did PM Cynthia regarding this issue and did not mean to personally insult you by questioning in in this thread. Yes, it was OT, but it was not meant as an insult to you and I'm a little shocked by your reply, frankly.

To imply that I shouldn't be posting here just adds salt to the wound. Thanks.
post #47 of 112
5/4/05 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by darwinphish
I AM a breastfeeding mom. I am not *offended*, I am *HURT* by the fact that people are so vehemently against something I HAVE to add to my baby's diet in order to keep her healthy. I wish people would look at FFing circumstantially, and have more empathy.

I did PM Cynthia regarding this issue and did not mean to personally insult you by questioning in in this thread. Yes, it was OT, but it was not meant as an insult to you and I'm a little shocked by your reply, frankly.

To imply that I shouldn't be posting here just adds salt to the wound. Thanks.
Listen, all I did was point out that someone did something that violated an MDC rule. I am truly sorry that you have problems breastfeeding, and yes, every one has different reasons, not necessarily simply a choice. You jumped on me 'cause you didn't like what other's posted and 'cause you don't like the MDC rules for the TP. I am not getting into it with you. Too many people are crawling around here lookin' to jump on someone and I am sick and tired of being jumped on.

I am not trying to add salt to anyone's wounds, but I cannot understand why you feel this is directed towards you. Everyone is fully aware that there are medical reasons for people to resort to formula. You never gave anyone a chance to take take your individual case into consideration. As far as saying that formula isn't good enough for animals, I believe that the exact quote is:

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Originally Posted by annettemarie
Actually, the shelters around here won't take it anymore. They said it wasn't good enough for the animals.
The animal shelter said it, not annettemarie.

Please try not to take it so personally. Any negativity directed towards FF is not for those who have no choice.
post #48 of 112
5/4/05 at 9:38pm
I donated mine to a local food pantry. As for coupons - burn 'em! They have your name and address on them, and I didn't want the formula companies to think that they had enticed me to buy their awful stuff.

As for the diaper bag, I use it as a backup bag that I keep in DH's car so that there's always a diaper, some wipes, and an emergency outfit available. (I keep DS's full diaper bag in my car).
post #49 of 112
5/4/05 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by tayndrewsmama
Listen, all I did was point out that someone did something that violated an MDC rule.
I didn't break any rules, I never had it for sale, it was strickly an offer to give it away to someone who might have needed instead of throwing it away.
post #50 of 112
5/4/05 at 9:57pm
When you say things like "If you like formula so much, maybe you shouldn't be reading/posting in the Breastfeeding forum." it definitely adds salt to the wound. THAT was most certainly directed toward me! In fact, it had me in tears.
post #51 of 112
5/4/05 at 10:03pm
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Originally Posted by Electra375
I didn't break any rules, I never had it for sale, it was strickly an offer to give it away to someone who might have needed instead of throwing it away.
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Advertising formula, bottles, and pacifiers is a violation of the WHO Code of the Marketing of Breastmilk Substitutes which Mothering and MDC voluntarily supports. So please refrain from posting such items for sale, trade, or giveaway, inclluding coupons for such items.

Any questions or concerns can be addressed to me by email or PM. Thanks for your help and support in this matter.

~Cynthia Mosher
Administrator, MDC
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post #52 of 112
5/4/05 at 10:16pm
Could we all maybe just take a step back for a moment?

Personally, I do not feel that anyone has been bashing formula on this thread. I think there is a lot of anger directed at the formula *companies* and their heavy-handed tactics. Of course it is at times medically necessary, and praise God that it's there when the alternative is a baby starving to death. That said, it is overused and way over-advertised.

I for one applaud Mothering for taking a stand against formula selling, trading, or giveaways. In our culture, the prevalant message is, you have a baby, you need formula. And, yes, even mothers who come to Mothering.com might think, hey, what the heck, I'm having a baby, I'll grab this free formula, and yes, it has the potential to interfere with the breastfeeding relationship. You can get free formula samples many places. Ditto for coupons. You can't get it here. I am very thankful for that.

If you read the sticky at the top of the breastfeeding advocacy and support board, it says:
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Members who formula feed out of necessity should not take posts critical of formula feeding personally. Members are reminded to post within the parameters of the User Agreement and refrain from personal attacks. If you feel concern about a post or discussion, please contact the moderator of the forum.

It must be clear that although we certainly do not encourage formula use we do support mothers who are doing the best they can for their children. It is very possible to find oneself compelled to use formula due to personal or family circumstances; such a mother can still be a Lactivist while seeking out support and information for her child's nutritional needs from the MDC community.
As far as my comment about it not being "good enough" for animal shelters, I was replying to a post that recommended taking it to the animal shelters. It was what I was told. While I thank you for your 2 cents regarding why it is not good enough, if you choose to read more into it than what I posted, I cannot take responsibility for that. I meant what I said, no more.

If you feel you have been personally attacked, report the post.

If you disagree with MDC's policy, take it up with CM or the Mods.
post #53 of 112
5/4/05 at 10:27pm
annettemarie, I never meant for this to turn into a big thing. Sorry.
post #54 of 112
5/4/05 at 11:11pm
WOW. Annettemarie is right, take a step back before somebody gets a black eye!

Liz, I know how you struggle, since you have shared your personal bf problems here on this forum. There's nothing you want more than to give up formula completely and just nurse your daughter. It must be awful to need something you hate. I can see why it hurts to read here that formula is nasty- you basically agree, yet you have no choice but to give that to your precious daughter. You do a good job letting that roll off your back most of the time. You know it's not personal- but how can it not feel that way? I can tell you I've become a whole lot more understanding of formula-feeding moms since I 'met' you.

This comment:
"If you like formula so much, maybe you shouldn't be reading/posting in the Breastfeeding forum" was completely uncalled for. : She doesn't freaking like it; no one who formula feeds by necessity does. I see you sort of acknowledged that in your next posts.

And annettemarie, I respect you a lot. I have to say though that I took your post with the (!) the same way that Liz did, that you were saying "See, this crap isn't even good enough for animals, let alone babies!" When one struggles so hard with not being able to breastfeed, I think a little oversensitivity is a forgivable sin.
post #55 of 112
5/4/05 at 11:18pm
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Originally Posted by Lula's Mom
This comment:
"If you like formula so much, maybe you shouldn't be reading/posting in the Breastfeeding forum" was completely uncalled for. She doesn't freaking like it; no one who formula feeds by necessity does. I see you sort of acknowledged that in your next posts.
Listen, that really didn't come out right. What I should have said was if your using it or have a problem with negativity towards it. But, this probably isn't coming out right either, so I am probably just digging a deeper hole by not knowing exactly how to write what I mean. As, you noted, I did acknowledge it too . Thanks.
post #56 of 112
5/4/05 at 11:25pm
I think a lot of stuff didn't come out the way people meant it to on this thread!

ETA: And so I am not completely OT, I think there have been some great suggestions on this thread. I personally would have a hard time donating it to a shelter vs. an individual who was somewhat known to me, but that's just my control issues talking. I would feel icky just giving it away and not knowing how or why it was being used. But if I gave it to a woman who really could not bf, I would feel decent about helping her. And I'd send it along with some of my own milk. :LOL
post #57 of 112
5/4/05 at 11:31pm
If a moderator thought my TP post was breaking the rules, then they would have told me so. The rule states 'refrain', which isn't necessarily saying you can not. There are enough woman here who have used formula not out of a desire to do so, but b/c there were no other options available to them. For MDC to prohibit us from helping each other out in a time of need would go against just about everything I've come to respect MDC for.

I also have a rubbermaid tote full of bottles from my first child, I'd gladly give those away to, if I knew their use was not b/c the mother didn't want to bf. Additionally, working mothers who pump still need bottles, so again the word refrain is not taken in my vocabulary as prohibited.

I've been around here for a long time, don't go throwing the RULE book in my face.
post #58 of 112
5/4/05 at 11:36pm
I tossed mine.
post #59 of 112
5/4/05 at 11:40pm
I donate mine to children's shelters. Those kids have no hope of being breastfed and NOT donating it to the children's shelters isn't going to change that.
post #60 of 112
5/5/05 at 12:17am
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Originally Posted by Mothra
I donate mine to children's shelters. Those kids have no hope of being breastfed and NOT donating it to the children's shelters isn't going to change that.
Ditto that. I have always given my coupons and samples to people who have already gone past the point of no return. And my LC (who is an LLL leader) takes them and gives them to low supply mamas who have no choice but to supplement for whatever reason. Since we all agree that there are cases that it is medically necessary I can't see how it is problem to give those mamas formula so they don't have to buy it.
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