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post #81 of 202
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Welcome to all the newbies too! Wow - glad to see there are so many of us now - tons of support and I need it

JaneS - thanks for the links! I'll check them out. I was also wondering if a fast was safe as I am still nursing my 2 y.o.
I've also read about the mercury fillings but am afraid to have them removed while nursing. I did locate a dentist near me who does it with the correct protocol.

VegMom - I think there is a candida support thread in H&H. I should join too.
post #82 of 202
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Originally Posted by MamaE
Seems like everyone here has a different idea of what is allowed. The only thing we all have in common is that we are trying to be refined sugar free. In my case, the natural sweeteners are too much to handle. I go nuts when any sweetener slips into my diet - cravings, bingeing, downhill from there. I am sincerely hoping that someday it won't be like this and that I'll be able to have a small bowl of ice cream occasionally and not wake up the next morning and decide I have to finish off the pint. I'm doing this cold turkey because "just a little bit" has never worked for me. It's a journey - one small step, OK - one eensy-weensy, teeny-tiny step at a time! You can do it if I can, trust me - I have always lived to eat!
Same here! Can't have honey, maple syrup. Although stevia was ok, but i never liked the aftertaste. Never tried xylotol and i don't do any artificial sweetners. Even super sweet fruit like watermelon can cause me to think of chocolate bars and cookies.
post #83 of 202
I only use the liquid asidopholus, it seems to work better. Also remember that grains break down in your body as sugar, so you may need to only eat a diet of vegies, fish, and meat for ahwhile. Then gradually re-introduce fruit.

I feel like I fell of the no sugar wagon yesterday, even though all I had was dates and a slice of homemade stone ground wheat bread. What I freak am I???
post #84 of 202
[QUOTE=MamaE]
I've also read about the mercury fillings but am afraid to have them removed while nursing. I did locate a dentist near me who does it with the correct protocol.

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Ok clue in the clueless. I know mercury fillings are bad, but I did not know there was a protocal for having them removed. And why not during nursing? Isn't better to get them out asap? I have quite a few I want removed.
post #85 of 202
Does rapadura cause the same cravings as regular sugar for most of you, or not? I bought some (gee whiz it's expensive) but haven't tried any of it yet. Does it have a funny taste or anything?
post #86 of 202
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Originally Posted by Goddess3_2005
I only use the liquid asidopholus, it seems to work better. Also remember that grains break down in your body as sugar, so you may need to only eat a diet of vegies, fish, and meat for ahwhile. Then gradually re-introduce fruit.

I feel like I fell of the no sugar wagon yesterday, even though all I had was dates and a slice of homemade stone ground wheat bread. What I freak am I???
If you're a freak, then so am I. I made Cathe's oatmeal banana cookies last night and ate a ton - feeling totally off the wagon today even though, technically, I'm not.

OK, now let's talk mercury fillings. I bet JaneS can help us out more here, but this is what I've read. They act like a continual dose of antibiotics in your body, thereby killing the beneficial bacteria and fostering yeast growth. (I'm sure this depends on how many you have, too. I have only 3.) As for getting them removed, I am scared because it's sort of like lead paint - once you start messing with it, more gets released into your system. That's why they have a protocol, though I forget what it is now. Don't just let any old dentist do it! Check out this site for more info and to find a qualified dentist. http://www.iaomt.org/ I also learned a lot from lurking in the dental forum here. Before lurking there, I never knew fillings were a problem.

My current thinking is that even though I know it's leaching into my system as I nurse, wouldn't it be worse to have them removed and have a *ton* leach into my system at once? Maybe my logic is off. Maybe Jane can help us!


MarilynMama - Rapadura and Sucanat are the same thing. I called the one of the manufacturers of sucanat to check. Both are evaporated cane juice w/o the molasses removed - both have a mineral content (iron and calcium) and thus slow down the sugar uptake as well as offset the negative effects of consuming sugar (I'm thinking of how sugar strips your body of nutrients - these are slightly better in that dept.). Sucanat is cheaper (I know, I think Rapadura is some kind of racket - I won't buy it anymore!) and you can buy sucanat in bulk - even cheaper still. The taste of both is very molasses-y, but super yummy, just the same. You get used to it - it's sort of like a *super* dark brown sugar taste.

Sadly, though, for me, major cravings... I don;t think I can do cane sugar of any kind at all.


OK, ladies, gotta get off this darn computer now or I'll have to start a thread titled "MDC-free or trying to be?"!!!!
post #87 of 202
Hi everyone! I really hope you ladies don't mind me joining in. I'm so glad this thread is here - it's just what I need. I love sugar. I eat so much sugar on a daily basis that I need to join sugarholics anonymous or something. :LOL I'd really like to change that, though, and I hope this thread can help me accomplish that. I'm not expecting to go completely sugar free just yet - I don't think my body and cravings could handle that right now, but I'd like to cut down my sugar intake to a very bare minimum.
post #88 of 202
I apologize for not being well-behaved in my last few posts here. i will work on my "mouth".....

Lots of great info here in the last day or so....I gotta go back and read some of them again.

Thanks!!!
post #89 of 202

OT: Mercury fillings and yeast

First of all, sorry for the thread hijack!

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Originally Posted by MamaE
OK, now let's talk mercury fillings. I bet JaneS can help us out more here, but this is what I've read. They act like a continual dose of antibiotics in your body, thereby killing the beneficial bacteria and fostering yeast growth. (I'm sure this depends on how many you have, too. I have only 3.) As for getting them removed, I am scared because it's sort of like lead paint - once you start messing with it, more gets released into your system. That's why they have a protocol, though I forget what it is now. Don't just let any old dentist do it! Check out this site for more info and to find a qualified dentist. http://www.iaomt.org/ I also learned a lot from lurking in the dental forum here. Before lurking there, I never knew fillings were a problem.

My current thinking is that even though I know it's leaching into my system as I nurse, wouldn't it be worse to have them removed and have a *ton* leach into my system at once? Maybe my logic is off. Maybe Jane can help us!
See this thread:
http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...d.php?t=241750
And here:
http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...d.php?t=273106

IAOMT is a great site. They developed the safe removal protocol which my dentist follows. The evidence on their site shows that a great deal of mercury is released from fillings on a daily basis, which not only effect your digestion , but are also deposited in your organs. Of course depending on the amount of fillings you have and their condition. And whether you drink hot liquids or chew gum, both of which increase mercury vapor dramatically! Who knows this stuff! Freaks me out how much I didn't know before and how much mainstream medicine is so clueless.

My naturopath is not thrilled with my doing this. However, after extensive research and talking to my dentist, who is also a bf'ing mom, I decided to go ahead b/c I just felt it was the right thing to do. A number of my filling are old and cracked and need to be replaced.

My dentist works with a lot of very sick people, including autistic kids and she has always seen health improvements after removal. I trust her and we have talked about protecting myself and DS. She actually goes a bit further than the IAOMT protocol with a couple of things, so really doesn't think there is an increase. Plus the levels rapidly go down afterwards, so in the long run, there is less and less in your system than if you just did nothing.

I'm also going to see a new naturopath b/c I just don't think my current one was helpful (her solution to wean b/c it was BF'ing not mercury that was likely effecting my health kinda pissed me off frankly). I also don't think she was that knowledgable about the issue. I mostly need to know if DS needs chelation or some such thing. The evidence of how much mercury does accumulate in the body at IAOMT was very distressing to me.

After I started removal, I cut DS down from his usual 4-5x/day nursing to 1-2x without really much trouble. Mostly b/c he has been doing better at night and only waking up 1x, if that. I still nurse sometimes for a nap and if he wakes up in middle of night b/c those are the times that he needs me the most.

I just can't wean him now, you understand... it's like the worst ever catch 22... I feel like his sensitive digestion causes him problems with sleeping and behavior that can only be solved with nursing. I felt horrible about this for a long time, but feel much better now that I'm doing something about it. DS is really doing great, no evidence he is being effected at all, if anything, he is better than he has ever been. My theory is that if the worst case scenario of a temporary increase (see my links for studies) does happen he is getting less breastmilk from me right now than in the past anyways.

The protocol group numbers showing mercury in plasma and blood are impressively low:
"The Hg-concentrations did not significantly increase in the two groups after amalgam removal. Six days after the removal the plasma mean concentration was significantly decreased at P level and ten days after the decrease was at a permanent P level. The mean Ery-Hg level was significantly decreased after eleven days (p), a level that remained stable for the rest of the year. The mean U-Hg level was significantly decreased one month after the removal and after six months the mean level was reduced with 80 % compared to the initial level in both groups. "
http://www.amalgam.org/#anchor67129

And if you read the other studies where the protocol wasn't followed, plasma concentrations go up 3 - 4x.

I'm also on psyllium and chlorella and vitamin C and sulfur rich foods that all bind to mercury and carry out of system, which were not included in the study. And stuff that makes me extra regular several times a day too :LOL

Thank you for listening everyone.
I seem to be doing a LOT of emotional dumping in this thread!!

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Originally Posted by MamaE
OK, ladies, gotta get off this darn computer now or I'll have to start a thread titled "MDC-free or trying to be?"!!!!

BTDT!
post #90 of 202
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Originally Posted by MamaE
MarilynMama - Rapadura and Sucanat are the same thing. I called the one of the manufacturers of sucanat to check. Both are evaporated cane juice w/o the molasses removed - both have a mineral content (iron and calcium) and thus slow down the sugar uptake as well as offset the negative effects of consuming sugar (I'm thinking of how sugar strips your body of nutrients - these are slightly better in that dept.). Sucanat is cheaper (I know, I think Rapadura is some kind of racket - I won't buy it anymore!) and you can buy sucanat in bulk - even cheaper still. The taste of both is very molasses-y, but super yummy, just the same. You get used to it - it's sort of like a *super* dark brown sugar taste.
"Nourishing Traditions" says Sucanat is bad and has the nutrients removed? (compares to Florida crystals and turbinado sugar)
post #91 of 202
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Originally Posted by JaneS
"Nourishing Traditions" says Sucanat is bad and has the nutrients removed? (compares to Florida crystals and turbinado sugar)
I know. I read that too, but I was questioning it because the 2 look the same and since one is so much cheaper, I checked it out by calling Wholesome Sweeteners, makers of my organic sucanat. I asked specifically if the molasses was ever removed and they told me no. I asked specifically for mineral contents - I was given the figures. Have forgotten them now, but it's in another thread around here somewhere where someone has asked about the 2. I think sucanat claims to have a slightly lower mineral content, but it's really just sugar after all and I'm not looking to get my RDA of iron from Rapadura, iykwim!

And, thanks for all the info on mercury! I am going to check into it further now. I may call that dentist near me and set up a consultation. No chance you (and your dentist) are in the Chicago area, is there?

I'm sugar-free again today, but those cravings are not budging. :
post #92 of 202
It really takes about 3 days of no sugar (no fruit juice, no sweeteners of any kind and no fruit) After tha you should be able to re-introduce the fruits and be fine.
post #93 of 202
JaneS,

I'm in a similar situation as you.

My DH is a Type II diabetic and we've cleared the house of all processed sugar (kept honey, maple syrup, blackstrap molasses) and all corn syrup and sugar contained products.

He STILL eats junk at work and will order junk when we go out to eat. It's as if he doesn't care about his health at all.

I've been off processed foods, dairy and soy because of DD's sensitivities for months now.

I'm finding it very hard to kick the sugar habit (was MUCH easier to get off of white flour). I think I need to add in more fresh veggies and exercise.

--Kari
post #94 of 202
i had sugar whoops 2 days ago...i ate a piece of cobbler (that had VERY little sugar in it...) but after that i was like to h*ll with it!
and ate a small piece of red velvet cake...

i was in my old town where we used to live and every one's house where we went to visit they kept on offering me cake!!!!!

and after the wholesoem organic fruit cobbler, my mind and body had no resistence to the vlelvet cake...even though it had cream cheese icing and i have been not eating dairy for months now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and then yesterday i was low energy and mooody adn kept on thinking about sugar alllllllllllllllllllllllllll day
luckily my dh had the car that day, or i would have doen even worse

that is something for ME to remember, if i try adn trick myself into allowing a slip up, i try and say no big deal it is just a little cobbler, but i have to remember, for me it is the begining of the end, once i have a little taste of sugar i can not stop....it only gets worse

so i can't say, just today no sugar
b/c then the next day i will be a maniac and eat nothing but junk all day
while i feed my family brown rice tofu and greens....
i am a nut.
post #95 of 202
talk to me about fruit juice sweetened stuff or stuff that is sweetened with malted barley adn corn
or even just honey and maple syrup

what does NO sugar really mean to you?
post #96 of 202
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Originally Posted by moma justice
talk to me about fruit juice sweetened stuff or stuff that is sweetened with malted barley adn corn
or even just honey and maple syrup

what does NO sugar really mean to you?
This the first time I did a "quick reply" so I hope it works

It's a tough question. "I" think it depends on what the reasons for trying to abstain are. ie. weight loss, yeast, improve health...something to do!

I have endometriosis and have read a lot about it. Yeast seems very much related. I do suffer from mild depression (I think), but always question that because in some ways, doesn't everybody, depending on life situations (ie. sleep deprivation, lack of "me" time, poor health, financial woes)? I don't know...When I feel so powerless over what is happening with my mind/body, I find myself reaching for ways to have control over it. I am sooo interested in the food/body/mind connection, but I find it extremely overwhelming because I just don't know where to start. So before I go even further OT, I would say for me, I am just trying to eliminate refined sugars and CUT BACK on the natural sugars. I would be thrilled to see some mind/body improvement, but have yet to experience it. But, technically, I think NO SUGAR means NO SUGAR in any form. The fruit thing confuses me. FWIU, fruits can cause problems, especially with yeast related disorders, so it makes matters even more confusing for me because so many of these great new food revelations (well new to me, anyway) such as Eat to Live, encourage a diet consisting mainly of fruits and veggies.
post #97 of 202

Cathe, can you share your thoughts on fruit as sugar?

I hope you don't mind me calling on your expertise...you are sooo knowledgable. This is kind of OT, but related to fruit and the effects it can have on the body in the form of sugar. I recall that you had shared some information about your experience with eating a diet high in fruit and how it had led to a yeast overgrowth? Was this following a diet similar to Eat to Live? I spent some time reading through the Eat to Live thread and found it very interesting/appealing, but all the fruit threw up a red flag with the yeast issues and I wanted to e-mail you directly, but since this question came up, I thought it might be information that everyone could benefit from.

Does anyone else have experience with fruit causing problems or find that you experienced improved health by avoiding it altogether? I hope that made sense...
post #98 of 202
If you are trying to get off sugar, I would stop fruit as well. After a few weeks - or a month, you can add fruit back in - but I would limit it. One or two servings a day is plenty - you are better off eating more veggies.

Fruit normally isn't as much of a problem as sugar or juice because the fiber in the fruit helps to slow the absorption of sugar into your system so you don't get such a sugar rush. But if you have candida problems - the combination of sugar and mold in the fruit helps the yeast to grow.

I haven't read Eat to Live but years ago, I followed Fit for Life which recommended only fruit in the morning. Since I didn't eat any other sugar, I don't think that was so much the problem. My problem at that time is that I was eating almost all raw foods and not getting enough fat and protein so after a couple of years I was so skinny and started binging on sugar foods just to get enough calories - my whole system got seriously out of balance.
post #99 of 202
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Hey everybody - I'm late to check in this month - and what a surprise to find my banana-oatmeal cookie recipe posted by roses1001! I make it for all my book signings and it is always a big hit.
I knew I got that recipe on MDC, but I couldn't remember exactly where or from who. Sorry for not giving you the credit. They are so yummy, though! I'm definitely going to try your ice cream recipes, too! Thank you!
post #100 of 202
You get a little busy and forget to subscribe to the new month and before you know it there's 5 pages of stuff to read through...

Hello to all the new subscribers.

I've been doing pretty badly in general, but I'm gradually getting a better understanding of things. Like I'm really aware of my mood swings when I eat the tiniest bit of sugar. And I've had to accept that a little white flour is better than feeling hungry and giving it all up. And I'm going to have to limit the natural sweeteners a whole lot more than I thought - I was eating honey regularly, which usually led to a lot of white flour and then I'm constantly wanting something sweet. It's much easier just to stay away from it all, except that I still allow treats at the weekend.

There's some really great info here, thanks to everyone...
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